Game Informer on "challenging" Killzone 2 AI

"Most noticable in the fights was the aggressive enemy AI, which was quick to take advantage of our failings. If we let up on the covering fire, they would quickly flank into a better position. And, as we learned, running out of ammunition during a crucial firefight was tantamount to suicide, as the enemies seemed to notice and charged our location. As the mission came to a head, we found ourselves desperately firing away at some vulnerable ports on the lightning gun, while swarms of Helghast continually attacked from behind. If our experience is any indication, Killzone 2 won't be short on challenge when it releases next year."

-Game Informer, Sept 2007

Not enough for you? Here's a preview from an online publication: http://www.plat4mer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=1

"While you may be thinking that you'll at least know where your enemies are, don't count on it. This institutes something I like to call 'Blitzkrieging' - thinking too fast - because you'll need to. The Helghast might just take advantage of the fact that you can't see them and plan to flank you while others lay down surpressive fire. You can fire out blindly or use the left analog stick to lean yourself around the corner or over obstacles to take a more progressive stance while behind cover. Make no mistake, your time behind that plaster wall is limited, the Helghast are out to kill you."

Both of these previews describe dangerous, challenging enemies that react intelligently to the user. On these grounds, I consider the accusations that Killzone 2 has "teh suxxorz" AI completely unfounded.

BUH BUH Flopzone 2I.A. wooks weawwy dumb!

(making fun of hte haters)

Good to hear.bobaban

agreed.

biggest complaint about the E3 demo was the lackluster AI. I'm hoping that Guerrilla will continue to improve in this area. All the other elements of the game appear solid.

AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)FRED_KILLZONE

have you seen the new game informer? ea is making a sci fi horror game and it looks sweet. and yea kz2 looks awesome as wellxboxrox11

Yeah, Dead Space and Project Origin (aka FEAR 2) had more of my attention than Killzone 2, I dunno why.

[QUOTE="xboxrox11"]have you seen the new game informer? ea is making a sci fi horror game and it looks sweet. and yea kz2 looks awesome as wellCodename33

Yeah, Dead Space and Project Origin (aka FEAR 2) had more of my attention than Killzone 2, I dunno why.

i cant get over how awesome dead space looks, but im a sucker for that genre

"Most noticable in the fights was the aggressive enemy AI, which was quick to take advantage of our failings. If we let up on the covering fire, they would quickly flank into a better position. And, as we learned, running out of ammunition during a crucial firefight was tantamount to suicide, as the enemies seemed to notice and charged our location. As the mission came to a head, we found ourselves desperately firing away at some vulnerable ports on the lightning gun, while swarms of Helghast continually attacked from behind. If our experience is any indication, Killzone 2 won't be short on challenge when it releases next year."

-Game Informer, Sept 2007

Not enough for you? Here's a preview from an online publication: http://www.plat4mer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=60&limit=1&limitstart=1

"While you may be thinking that you'll at least know where your enemies are, don't count on it. This institutes something I like to call 'Blitzkrieging' - thinking too fast - because you'll need to. The Helghast might just take advantage of the fact that you can't see them and plan to flank you while others lay down surpressive fire. You can fire out blindly or use the left analog stick to lean yourself around the corner or over obstacles to take a more progressive stance while behind cover. Make no mistake, your time behind that plaster wall is limited, the Helghast are out to kill you."

Both of these previews describe dangerous, challenging enemies that react intelligently to the user. On these grounds, I consider the accusations that Killzone 2 has "teh suxxorz" AI completely unfounded.

Redfingers

wow lems are quickly running out of things to complain aboutRagashahs

That's a good thing, right? The less you have to complain about, the happier you are :)

The fact that they had to justify this is pretty sad in and of itself.

Having enemy AI that takes cover and flanks isn't excelling nowadays, it's expected. All this interview does is tell us that the Killzone AI doesn't suck and is able to perform basic tactical maneuvers we've come to except. FEAR had this nailed years ago, so how can you claim this as "ownage"?

I'll wait to see the game actually released before I pass judgement on it. So far people have rabidly hyped games based on previews, and to see that most of them haven't yet learned why it's a stupid thing to do is quite troubling.

This was and is still one of the reasons I still need a PS3. Can't wait, sounds awesome.Spartan070

You've got to be the last person I expected to say that. :shock:

Impressive. They really must have upped the AI from the suicidal soldiers at E3. It does seem a little cheesy that they know you're out of ammo. I may have to reconsider my opinion of Killzone 2. It might ship with AI almost as good as Halo 3's.captfalc

Well, I know when someone runs out of ammo in Counter Strike, and I sure as hell take advantage of it.

I think it should spice things up, require you to use each bullet judiciously....in other news, Game Informer says that the aiming is very precise and much smoother than most console FPS. They said they nailed headshots and were able to aim precise shots.

The fact that they had to justify this is pretty sad in and of itself.

Having enemy AI that takes cover and flanks isn't excelling nowadays, it's expected. All this interview does is tell us that the Killzone AI doesn't suck and is able to perform basic tactical maneuvers we've come to except. FEAR had this nailed years ago, so how can you claim this as "ownage"?

I'll wait to see the game actually released before I pass judgement on it. So far people have rabidly hyped games based on previews, and to see that most of them haven't yet learned why it's a stupid thing to do is quite troubling.

_Impmacaque_

Exactly, it isn't amazing, however its good that the Killzone 2 AI is actually decent this time around. If the game plays well, this game could very well live up to the hype.

[QUOTE="Codename33"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]wow lems are quickly running out of things to complain aboutRagashahs

That's a good thing, right? The less you have to complain about, the happier you are :)

In denial of Killzone 2? That's what they said about killzone 1 and lair, and look how those turned out. At least wait until the reviews are out before you call it denial. Have fun waiting until 2008 for your cool AI, I hope it's worth that long a wait :)

The fact that they had to justify this is pretty sad in and of itself.

Having enemy AI that takes cover and flanks isn't excelling nowadays, it's expected. All this interview does is tell us that the Killzone AI doesn't suck and is able to perform basic tactical maneuvers we've come to except. FEAR had this nailed years ago, so how can you claim this as "ownage"?

I'll wait to see the game actually released before I pass judgement on it. So far people have rabidly hyped games based on previews, and to see that most of them haven't yet learned why it's a stupid thing to do is quite troubling.

_Impmacaque_

I never claimed "ownage," I said that the claims that the game's AI sucked are completely unfounded. I'm not going to even take a step beyond that.

The fact that they had to justify this is pretty sad in and of itself.

Having enemy AI that takes cover and flanks isn't excelling nowadays, it's expected. All this interview does is tell us that the Killzone AI doesn't suck and is able to perform basic tactical maneuvers we've come to except. FEAR had this nailed years ago, so how can you claim this as "ownage"?

I'll wait to see the game actually released before I pass judgement on it. So far people have rabidly hyped games based on previews, and to see that most of them haven't yet learned why it's a stupid thing to do is quite troubling.

_Impmacaque_

no, it's ownage to the haters, not the rest of the FPS industry.

this isn't some vaguely positive preview. GI is talking about specific examples of what they experienced. they didn't say "looks good" or "this was really fun". those aren't enough to justify it. but they are explaining precisely what the AIs did to beat them. it's a preview that's a few steps above most on the details area.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Codename33"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]wow lems are quickly running out of things to complain aboutCodename33

That's a good thing, right? The less you have to complain about, the happier you are :)

In denial of Killzone 2? That's what they said about killzone 1 and lair, and look how those turned out. At least wait until the reviews are out before you call it denial. Have fun waiting until 2008 for your cool AI, I hope it's worth that long a wait :)

AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)FRED_KILLZONE

Cod 1 and Cod Uo had lots of action and ran fine on integrated GPUs.

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]

The fact that they had to justify this is pretty sad in and of itself.

Having enemy AI that takes cover and flanks isn't excelling nowadays, it's expected. All this interview does is tell us that the Killzone AI doesn't suck and is able to perform basic tactical maneuvers we've come to except. FEAR had this nailed years ago, so how can you claim this as "ownage"?

I'll wait to see the game actually released before I pass judgement on it. So far people have rabidly hyped games based on previews, and to see that most of them haven't yet learned why it's a stupid thing to do is quite troubling.

Mordred19

no, it's ownage to the haters, not the rest of the FPS industry.

this isn't some vaguely positive preview. GI is talking about specific examples of what they experienced. they didn't say "looks good" or "this was really fun". those aren't enough to justify it. but they are explaining precisely what the AIs did to beat them. it's a preview that's a few steps above most on the details area.

Fair enough.

But I urge you to take all previews with a grain of salt until you've played some version of the product with your own hands. Previews can be misleading, even those commenting directly on segments of gameplay that the reviewers have experienced.

[QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Codename33"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]wow lems are quickly running out of things to complain aboutRagashahs

That's a good thing, right? The less you have to complain about, the happier you are :)

In denial of Killzone 2? That's what they said about killzone 1 and lair, and look how those turned out. At least wait until the reviews are out before you call it denial. Have fun waiting until 2008 for your cool AI, I hope it's worth that long a wait :)

There is a possibility that Killzone 2 will be good, I'm just saying that it's way to early to generalize how the game is going to be. That goes for cows and lemmings.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]This was and is still one of the reasons I still need a PS3. Can't wait, sounds awesome.Mordred19

You've got to be the last person I expected to say that. :shock:

[QUOTE="FRED_KILLZONE"]AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)Stabby2486

Cod 1 and Cod Uo had lots of action and ran fine on integrated GPUs.

haha no

Cows, I would be wise... don't talk about this game. Let it come outta nowhere and be a surprise hit. You hype it, and it flops, believe me... it's over.HermitCommando

Um. Same to you, I guess. Don't hype anything, okay?

By the way, this isn't a hype thread. Leave those comments elsewhere, please.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Codename33"][QUOTE="Ragashahs"][QUOTE="Codename33"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]wow lems are quickly running out of things to complain aboutCodename33

That's a good thing, right? The less you have to complain about, the happier you are :)

In denial of Killzone 2? That's what they said about killzone 1 and lair, and look how those turned out. At least wait until the reviews are out before you call it denial. Have fun waiting until 2008 for your cool AI, I hope it's worth that long a wait :)

There is a possibility that Killzone 2 will be good, I'm just saying that it's way to early to generalize how the game is going to be. That goes for cows and lemmings.

[QUOTE="Stabby2486"]

[QUOTE="FRED_KILLZONE"]AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)FRED_KILLZONE

Cod 1 and Cod Uo had lots of action and ran fine on integrated GPUs.

haha no

Very compelling reply.

[QUOTE="FRED_KILLZONE"]AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)Dreams-Visions

if this were halo 3 i can understand the hype, but if they got it so wrong the first time and it flopped hard i cannot see how this game deserves this much hype.

What build is that from? I'm not reading all of that previewbut I remember in EGM they gave it the 'Dumbest AI' award.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-65159.aspx

Gamespot once said that Hour of Victory looked promising. Just keep digging for positive news on a game that looks like a polished turd.kevy619

yeah, that was them doing the standard "please everbody-optimist" routine. GI is talking about specific aspects of the game, not general concepts and vague examples.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]Gamespot once said that Hour of Victory looked promising. Just keep digging for positive news on a game that looks like a polished turd.Mordred19

yeah, that was them doing the standard "please everbody-optimist" routine. GI is talking about specific aspects of the game, not general concepts and vague examples.

I read it, it all sounds pretty vague and given the early build treatment. They also said that they could only carry two weapons at once, at it was very unique! Cmon guys, that preview fails. WHo the hell is plat4mer?

What build is that from? I'm not reading all of that previewbut I remember in EGM they gave it the 'Dumbest AI' award.

jdknight21

I read the article and it was from E307. I guess GameInformer previewed KZ2 during Lezpig.

[QUOTE="FRED_KILLZONE"]AWWWWW YEAH HATERZ PWNED. Can't get action that intense on a console with less power under the hood than a riksja (*hint* I'm talking about the Nintendo Wii)Dreams-Visions

sup buddy long time no see anyway lair flopped everywere heavenly sword flop only here and not buy that much lair was the biggest flop