Gamepro-PS3 selling LESS than Gamecube and on pace to sell LESS in its lifetime!

Just puts into perspective how much Sony has truly killed their brand... sad to see even :(

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=137448

Based on the first 10 months of availability, the troubled PlayStation 3 sold 22 percent less than the Nintendo GameCube for the same period.

According to the NPD, a firm that tracks North American hardware sales, the PS3 sold 1,742,000 units in its first 10 months of availability compared with 2,120,000 GameCube units.

The GameCube, released by Nintendo in 2001 to compete with Sony's PS2 and Microsoft's original Xbox, is largely seen as a failure. Although commercially successfully (to a degree), the GameCube only managed to sell 22 million systems worldwide compared with 24 million Xbox units and 115 million PS2 machines.

"We're in a position where we're having to play catch-up," PlayStation president Kaz Hirai recently said in an interview with Spong regarding the struggling PS3. Hirai went on to blame "production issues" for his console's slow start before denying widespread belief that the PS3 launch price was too high

Looks pretty good for PS3. Gamecube actually outsold PS2 it's first year, it was only subsequent years that it failed. So PS3 at $599 is keeping up with Gamecube? Gamecube cost a fraction of the price so actually it's a respectable showing.

But first year sales don't mean much. Look at X360. First year sales 10million, Second year sales only 2.5 million so far.

lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.GARRYTH

Im sorry... people dont want to play Mario and Zelda? Funny because they (and the Wii) are selling quite a bit more than the PS3. Also I wnat new IPs just as much as everyone else but the PS3 doesn't really have too many great ones at this point.

jedigemini , will the ps3 surpass the sales of the gamecube ?

jedigemini , will the ps3 surpass the sales of the gamecube ?

Nike_Air

I'd be extremely surprised if the PS3 sold less than GC. It is both inaccurate and illogical to compare the first 10 months of two completely different consoles with two completely different situations and act like it signals a trend. This is just shoddy journalism from Gamepro trying to pass as science. It's no different from people saying the PS3 will fail because the third console always fails.

For example, the GC had very little support right from day 1 and managed to lose support throughout its life until only Nintendo was left (basically). Nintendo kept trying to push a purple, toy looking console to consumers who clearly wanted a black or platinum model. Nintendo has been losing customer confidence for 5 years already by the time the GC came out...and it followed the very unsuccessful N64.

Meanwhile the PS3 is easily the most expensive console ever made. Hardware issues prevented developers from getting games made in time, plus we all know how much more difficult and expensive it is. However, to believe the PS3 will sell less than the GC would mean the PS3 would have to go from roughly 110 million sales to roughly 20 million world wide. That is like a drop of 90%...totally unheard of in the history of this business. Nobody has even come close to that kind of loss.

While the PS3 could possible end up being looked back on as a failure, I can't possibly conceive of any chance that the worlds most popular console IN HISTORY implodes that much.

Looks pretty good for PS3. Gamecube actually outsold PS2 it's first year, it was only subsequent years that it failed. So PS3 at $599 is keeping up with Gamecube? Gamecube cost a fraction of the price so actually it's a respectable showing.

But first year sales don't mean much. Look at X360. First year sales 10million, Second year sales only 2.5 million so far.

EmperorSupreme

GC outsold the PS2 its first year? According to what numbers? The PS2 sold out world wide when it launched and had shortages for many months. Sony launched with 500,000 in NA and I think released 1 million each month. The GC launched in lesser numbers, with only two or three games and didn't sell out anywhere I recall. PLUS it launched 13 months later than the PS2 when the PS2 already had a popular library and loyal following and massive hype.

lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.GARRYTH

lol...people DO want to play mario 500 and zelda 500...hence the success of the franchises. lol...duh

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.hazuki87

Im sorry... people dont want to play Mario and Zelda? Funny because they (and the Wii) are selling quite a bit more than the PS3. Also I wnat new IPs just as much as everyone else but the PS3 doesn't really have too many great ones at this point.

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.duble_Needler23

lol...people DO want to play mario 500 and zelda 500...hence the success of the franchises. lol...duh

[QUOTE="duble_Needler23"]

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.GARRYTH

lol...people DO want to play mario 500 and zelda 500...hence the success of the franchises. lol...duh

No see your wrong, The franchises were succesful on the Gamecube the Xbox 1 beat the GC because it actually got third party support...

lo tey really think this will still happen when the ps is either 399 or even 299 in two years or so. im sorry but people just don't want to play mario 500 or zelda 500 ect. not saying there great franchise but they need new ip's or even old ip's that made the snes so great like blaster master, actraiser ect. hand held is were you find the mario sell the best same with zelda ect. because handheld is were people can find there beloved franchise but people that play console is a entire differant adience.GARRYTH

I have to admit after reading most of your posts today and from the past, I have thrown up in my mouth everytime I have read them because the are very very rediculous.

I'd be extremely surprised if the PS3 sold less than GC. It is both inaccurate and illogical to compare the first 10 months of two completely different consoles with two completely different situations and act like it signals a trend. This is just shoddy journalism from Gamepro trying to pass as science. It's no different from people saying the PS3 will fail because the third console always fails.

For example, the GC had very little support right from day 1 and managed to lose support throughout its life until only Nintendo was left (basically). Nintendo kept trying to push a purple, toy looking console to consumers who clearly wanted a black or platinum model. Nintendo has been losing customer confidence for 5 years already by the time the GC came out...and it followed the very unsuccessful N64.

Meanwhile the PS3 is easily the most expensive console ever made. Hardware issues prevented developers from getting games made in time, plus we all know how much more difficult and expensive it is. However, to believe the PS3 will sell less than the GC would mean the PS3 would have to go from roughly 110 million sales to roughly 20 million world wide. That is like a drop of 90%...totally unheard of in the history of this business. Nobody has even come close to that kind of loss.

While the PS3 could possible end up being looked back on as a failure, I can't possibly conceive of any chance that the worlds most popular console IN HISTORY implodes that much.

ZIMdoom

this generation has more than one firsts.

it is conceivable the ps3 only sells 20 million over it's lifetime. one look at the price with underscore that.

it's not that hard to believe when you realize there are NOT 110 million separate ps2 owners out there...

The PS3 launched at $599 - the Gamecube at $199. That's a big difference. If the PS3 was $199 I think it would be doing a lot better than the Gamecube, don't you think?thinicer

I don't know would it? You would think... Which begs the question didn't Sony realize this.. I mean they want to sell Consoles right?

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

I'd be extremely surprised if the PS3 sold less than GC. It is both inaccurate and illogical to compare the first 10 months of two completely different consoles with two completely different situations and act like it signals a trend. This is just shoddy journalism from Gamepro trying to pass as science. It's no different from people saying the PS3 will fail because the third console always fails.

For example, the GC had very little support right from day 1 and managed to lose support throughout its life until only Nintendo was left (basically). Nintendo kept trying to push a purple, toy looking console to consumers who clearly wanted a black or platinum model. Nintendo has been losing customer confidence for 5 years already by the time the GC came out...and it followed the very unsuccessful N64.

Meanwhile the PS3 is easily the most expensive console ever made. Hardware issues prevented developers from getting games made in time, plus we all know how much more difficult and expensive it is. However, to believe the PS3 will sell less than the GC would mean the PS3 would have to go from roughly 110 million sales to roughly 20 million world wide. That is like a drop of 90%...totally unheard of in the history of this business. Nobody has even come close to that kind of loss.

While the PS3 could possible end up being looked back on as a failure, I can't possibly conceive of any chance that the worlds most popular console IN HISTORY implodes that much.

tango90101

this generation has more than one firsts.

it is conceivable the ps3 only sells 20 million over it's lifetime. one look at the price with underscore that.

it's not that hard to believe when you realize there are NOT 110 million separate ps2 owners out there...

no but at least 100 million because i din't think more than 10 million was sold because of falty hardware.GARRYTH

Yes i agree, with your thinking. I mean you don't think is a really strong piece of evidence...

Casual Empiricism for the Lose.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

I'd be extremely surprised if the PS3 sold less than GC. It is both inaccurate and illogical to compare the first 10 months of two completely different consoles with two completely different situations and act like it signals a trend. This is just shoddy journalism from Gamepro trying to pass as science. It's no different from people saying the PS3 will fail because the third console always fails.

For example, the GC had very little support right from day 1 and managed to lose support throughout its life until only Nintendo was left (basically). Nintendo kept trying to push a purple, toy looking console to consumers who clearly wanted a black or platinum model. Nintendo has been losing customer confidence for 5 years already by the time the GC came out...and it followed the very unsuccessful N64.

Meanwhile the PS3 is easily the most expensive console ever made. Hardware issues prevented developers from getting games made in time, plus we all know how much more difficult and expensive it is. However, to believe the PS3 will sell less than the GC would mean the PS3 would have to go from roughly 110 million sales to roughly 20 million world wide. That is like a drop of 90%...totally unheard of in the history of this business. Nobody has even come close to that kind of loss.

While the PS3 could possible end up being looked back on as a failure, I can't possibly conceive of any chance that the worlds most popular console IN HISTORY implodes that much.

GARRYTH

this generation has more than one firsts.

it is conceivable the ps3 only sells 20 million over it's lifetime. one look at the price with underscore that.

it's not that hard to believe when you realize there are NOT 110 million separate ps2 owners out there...

i think we ALL know what you THINK...;)

but sony refuses to release those numbers leading one to believe they're really much, much higher than anyone thinks...

they did the same when the PSX bombed in japan... sony STILL refuses to release the poor sales numbers...

When the games come it'll get a boost in sales. Especially FF 13 and FF 13 Versus.Haziqonfire

Same old argument... It has been almost a year and few exclusives justify buying a PS3... if any...

I guess I have to tell this story again. Sony WILL win this gen as well.elms1

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]When the games come it'll get a boost in sales. Especially FF 13 and FF 13 Versus.cfamgcn

Same old argument... It has been almost a year and few exclusives justify buying a PS3... if any...

And people also made the same claim about the PS1 and PS2 not ahving a single game worth buying for over a year. While I've always disagreed...look how those turned out despite the persistent claims of no games.

The PS3 launched at $599 - the Gamecube at $199. That's a big difference. If the PS3 was $199 I think it would be doing a lot better than the Gamecube, don't you think?thinicer

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]When the games come it'll get a boost in sales. Especially FF 13 and FF 13 Versus.ZIMdoom

Same old argument... It has been almost a year and few exclusives justify buying a PS3... if any...

And people also made the same claim about the PS1 and PS2 not ahving a single game worth buying for over a year. While I've always disagreed...look how those turned out despite the persistent claims of no games.

The diffrence this time... It wasn't out an Year earlyer then anyone else...;)

When you have no games (i disagree as well) and there is no competition then there is no problem... but if there is stiff competition and you've got nothing... then uh oh.... you sank my battle ship.

[QUOTE="cfamgcn"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]When the games come it'll get a boost in sales. Especially FF 13 and FF 13 Versus.ZIMdoom

Same old argument... It has been almost a year and few exclusives justify buying a PS3... if any...

And people also made the same claim about the PS1 and PS2 not ahving a single game worth buying for over a year. While I've always disagreed...look how those turned out despite the persistent claims of no games.

$199.99 vs. $499/599.DementedDragon

thats sonys problem for making it cost so much.

this actually brings me a great deal of joy. sony crushed many consoles that i loved in the past, it's absolutely mindblowingly fantastic to see them limping around like this :) at least it is to me :D3picuri3

you're not alone...

not by a LOOOOOONG shot... :)

[QUOTE="DementedDragon"]$199.99 vs. $499/599.shoeman12

thats sonys problem for making it cost so much.

Consoles aren't perfect substitutes for each other either...

The 299 PS2 outsold the 199 GC... If they were perfect substitues then that wouldn't happen...

I wonder where Nintendo would be by now if they hadn't come up with the wiimoteMystery_Writer

I wonder where sony would be if they ever came up with anything..

what a lame comparison.killzowned24

some of you are so short sighted its frightening the ps3 price will not be that high its whole lifespan(yet some of you are acting like it will always be expensive) which sony has stated will be 10 years so when the price comes down it will sell more not to mention no big name exclusive has come out I'm talking a franchise game(no tekken, no GT, no ratchet, no MGS, no FF) there has been some hyped AAA but most were brand new Ips or franchises that were not really big sellers in the past that really do not attract casual buyers which unfortunately is the bread and butter of the industry. I would like to point out that the ps and ps2 both sold much better in their 2nd and 3rd year than in its first(360 is actually selling worse in its second year which is not a really goo sign for them) at the end of 2001 the ps2 had about a 10 million userbase yet 5 years later its over 100 million so that shows you sony's business model is to and always has been to sell over the entire lifespan not just in the first couple years.

The fact that this topic uses gamepro as their argument is quite sad gamepro is like the cnn of game publications big name thats been around awhile but the quality of their product is unprofessional and relies on sensationlism to attract viewers/readers.

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="cfamgcn"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]When the games come it'll get a boost in sales. Especially FF 13 and FF 13 Versus.GundamGuy0

Same old argument... It has been almost a year and few exclusives justify buying a PS3... if any...

And people also made the same claim about the PS1 and PS2 not ahving a single game worth buying for over a year. While I've always disagreed...look how those turned out despite the persistent claims of no games.

The diffrence this time... It wasn't out an Year earlyer then anyone else...;)

When you have no games (i disagree as well) and there is no competition then there is no problem... but if there is stiff competition and you've got nothing... then uh oh.... you sank my battle ship.

Neither the PS1 or PS2 were the first of their gen. Nice try though. Next time be sure to know what you are talking first.

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

The_Crucible

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little.

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

SUD123456

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little.

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

Why does history have to repeat itself? Why do things have to be the same this gen as last for the consoles to line up? Answer: They don't.

Everyone talks about Sony like this is their 8th console or something. Its their friggin' third. And its MS' second. Showing me what happened last gen holds no water for this one. Tell me, has 360 sold as well as PS2 did last gen within the same time? Answer: No.

The situtaions are all different this go-around.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

SUD123456

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little.

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

PS3 is the N64 of this generation, only without cool games like OOT, Goldeneye, and Mario 64.

This is what happens when company gets too arrogant, the consumer's will slap it down. Look at what happen to Nintendo during the N64 and GC generations. A remember a lot of sheep using the "just wait" argument for the N64 too. Even perfect games like OOT and Goldeneye did not help keep Nintendo number one.

Excellent points, dude. What Sony needs to accept is, the average salary in this country has not risen enough to warrant charging the price poin t for the PS3. Under $200 the average American will jump in to this entertainment market. Hardcore gamers are the buyers right now, and even them, only if they can afford it.cainetao11

Right. And how much is a 360?

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

SUD123456

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation wrong the lead was more like 10 million an no console closed the gap the ps3 is closing the gap on the 360 and the wii has already passed it so the extra year launch helped the ps2 but was not the reason it was the top selling system of last gen

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little. sony never dropped the price of the ps2 until a year after the xbox and GC launched it wasn't shortly after, it still outsold the cheaper GC an more powerful xbox

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

your facts are flawed and so is your argument. this comparison is also rediculously flawed. I'm not going to sit here and argue the ps3 will sell the same as the ps2 cause it won't but basing the consoles outcome on a comparison from 2 different gens and from the first year of a brand new more expensive console to the cheapest console of its gen shows the huge lack of logic in the comparison. I will say the ps3 will sell well over 20 million I estimate at least 40-50 miillion at the end of its lifecycle and it will beat the 360 because of its strong userbase outside of NA which the xbox doesn't have. Depending on how nintendo continues to market the wii and its library over its life it could possibly even beat the wii but that would have to be more from nintendo dropping the ball than anything sony does.

[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Yeah. You see how those graphs go up as well as down? I thought so. PS3 with its high price and low quantity of titles has had a slow year. Big surprise. What else you gonna blow us away with, Brittany Spears has gotten fat?

Listen, a little something called $399 is in PS3's near future. Show me a graph after that happens.

The_Crucible

I will show you a graph. It will look ugly. Sorry, but that's the reality. There are some inescapable facts that separate the PS2 from the PS3....which do not bode well for Sony this time. Like:

1. Sony had a 20 million to none lead on both nintendo and MS last generation

2. PS 2 launched at $299

3. 80%+ of PS2 sales were are $199 or less

4. Sony dropped the PS2 to $199 shortly after both nintendo and MS launched.....when they had 25-30 million sales vs a few million for the competitors, and when they had a large and rapidly growing game library vs very little.

In other words...PS2 had excellent market conditions to be adopted by the masses and the mainstream console.

This time...ugghhh....not so much :)

Why does history have to repeat itself? Why do things have to be the same this gen as last for the consoles to line up? Answer: They don't.

Everyone talks about Sony like this is their 8th console or something. Its their friggin' third. And its MS' second. Showing me what happened last gen holds no water for this one. Tell me, has 360 sold as well as PS2 did last gen within the same time? Answer: No.

The situtaions are all different this go-around.

History is not going to repeat itself, meaning that the PS3 will not be as succuessful as the PS2.

While circumstances change, certain principles of economics remain. You need a price point accessible to the masses. Sony does not have that and they launched late....meaning they will always be behind both Wii and 360 in reaching a mass market price point.

And you need a public perception of industry leadership...which they have squandered. Having ceded time and price point to 360 and price point to Wii, there only hope to repeat PS2 was to launch with an impressive game library and recover on value. Which didn't happen. So now they have lost public perception as well.

And they are being crushed in sales by Wii, and barely neck and neck with 360. They have two competitors who combined have something like a 22 million to 6 million lead, with price, and momentum on their side. PS3 isn't doomed to outright failure, but this will be written up for years to come as a complete meltdown and exactly what not to do in protecting your brand.