Games will never be as good as they were, unless the main platform is PC

Devs building games with the main platform as console will dumb down the game. It turns into a casual, EZmode game. The game is shorter, features are taken away from the sequel. Multiplayer is ruined ect. The best sigle player games were under 2005, the majority of everything after is casual. With the exeption of a few games like Stalker, The Witcher, Crysis 1, Dragon Age 1.

I love PC gaming too and consider it infinitely more appealing to my tastes than what consoles offer (except teh Nintendo exclusives :p), but you're trolling too hard here.

Consoles also have some quality games.

I hope you also realice that some of the best games ever made have been in much weaker platforms from their time, i won't go that far, i will only say Super Mario Glaxy.

That´s not completely true,there´s a bunch of console games that are exceptions to that "rule".

yep, if it ain't on PC it's casual. if it ain't on PC it's garbage. when will i ever learn?

I love PC gaming too and consider it infinitely more appealing to my tastes than what consoles offer (except teh Nintendo exclusives :p), but you're trolling too hard here.

Consoles also have some quality games.

milannoir

This. I love PC, but lets not get carried away.

Let me get this straight: games will never be good as they were when they were console exclusive, unless their main platform is the PC?

Something's wrong there, TC.

yep, if it ain't on PC it's casual. if it ain't on PC it's garbage. when will i ever learn?

lazerface216

The irony is that probably PC is the king of casual gaming and has so many releases that could also be up there with amount of garbage. The TC is trying so hard to troll/bait that it isn't working.

Its true, games that the pc is the lead platform have more features on both pc and consoles, vs when console is lead platform.

pc supereor yadda yadda consoles holding back yadda yadda

we've all heard it before.

Not really.

The menality of a lot of gamers have changed. People buy up the whole CoD linear, perk-based multiplayer like mad compared to older shooters. Changing the platform it was developed on won't change these gamers minds.

The consoles have a lot less limitations than people believe. However sales are driving a new approach to gaming which most of the older,core gamers do not want. I've seen open-ended console games that rival PC games (Just Cause 2, GTA 4, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, RDR, Assassins Creed, Battlestations Midway and Pacific). These games have to be fine tuned for the controller, but the size and scale of these games are just as big as the major PC titles.

It's a newer generation of gamer. I think that to many companies have focused on this newer generation instead of trying to release something a bit more old school. We haven't seen a good arena shooters since UT 2k4, that needs to change.

DICE seems to be getting their act together and going back to BF2 style of gameplay, but we can't be sure that's exactly how BF3 will play.

It really all is a change in mentality of gamers. The masses buy up CoD and very linear, shallow games with big production values like mad. That's where the market has shifted.

Changing times.

Games will never be "as good" unless the developer puts in the proper work into the game. The quality of a game isn't determined by platform. You'll always find bad games on any platform, but the goods ones always outnumber the bad ones.

The quality is dependant on the developer, not the system. Don't use platform differences as a variable for quality.

where'd the TC go?

Sure is amateur hour in here. 1/10tagyhag

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Sure is amateur hour in here. 1/10siLVURcross

Gaming is exactly the same as it has always been. The problem is that people confuse hindsight with memory. So they look back at the NES or SNES or Genesis as a single concept with a ton of great games. They forget that these consoles had a 5 - 7 year lifespan with the best, most memorable titles sprinkled throughout that time and some okay filler to kill time in between.

This is like the "SNL was better before" crowd. SNL has always been most mediocre. The proble is over time, one generation builds up a history of quality sketches that can be replayed, sold on DVD, and then talked about for a long time. But in reality, those were still just a small handful of all the sketches that generation put out over a certain time period and maybe only one truly great sketch per show.

Gaming is exactly the same. People just tend to forget because hindsight allows them to remember all the greatest moments while forgetting the lengthy span of time those events happened over.

the best games of all time are on consoles. and some of the best games this gen are on the consoles. and what I believe to be the best game this gen, is on a console.

so no, you're wrong.

I think TC just got owned

the best games of all time are on consoles.

theuncharted34

I think the system with the biggest chunk of the best games ever made is the PC,so I don´t agree with that at all.

Many of the best are on consoles,many are on the PC.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

the best games of all time are on consoles.

Arach666

I think the system with the biggest chunk of the best games ever made is the PC,so I don´t agree with that at all.

Many of the best are on consoles,many are on the PC.

well, you should lay out what pc games you think are some of the best of all time, and i'll do the same for consoles afterwards :)

Consoles themselves aren't really the problem. The problem is the audience that plagues the current generation of gamers that bend over to any rehash and sequel that has be dumbed down to hell, most likely because before it was too "complex". In any other generation Dragon Age 2 would be bashed to hell and back by both gamers and reviews.nintendog66

I agree for the most part. The audience will keep buying the same dull games over and over.

Consoles dumb down games, simple as that; weaker hardware, more casual audience == simple games

Spot on TC, spot on.

Those glory days on PC will return though, especially as the consoles age (like milk), already BF3/Witcher 2 are indicators that devs are making the switch to "primary dev on PC".

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

the best games of all time are on consoles.

theuncharted34

I think the system with the biggest chunk of the best games ever made is the PC,so I don´t agree with that at all.

Many of the best are on consoles,many are on the PC.

well, you should lay out what pc games you think are some of the best of all time, and i'll do the same for consoles afterwards :)

I can add even more,though you get the picture. ;)

Consoles themselves aren't really the problem. The problem is the audience that plagues the current generation of gamers that bend over to any rehash and sequel that has be dumbed down to hell, most likely because before it was too "complex".nintendog66

no different from any other gen, my friend. please quit acting like this is only a current gen problem.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

I think the system with the biggest chunk of the best games ever made is the PC,so I don´t agree with that at all.

Many of the best are on consoles,many are on the PC.

Arach666

well, you should lay out what pc games you think are some of the best of all time, and i'll do the same for consoles afterwards :)

I can add even more,though you get the picture. ;)

gamespots opinion is - 404 page not found? well that's interesting indeed :P

btw I only cared about your opinion that's why I asked you ;) I can look up the articles on these sites anytime :)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

well, you should lay out what pc games you think are some of the best of all time, and i'll do the same for consoles afterwards :)

theuncharted34

I can add even more,though you get the picture. ;)

gamespots opinion is - 404 page not found? well that's interesting indeed :P

btw I only cared about your opinion that's why I asked you ;) I can look up the articles on these sites anytime :)

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Well,I can show you Gamespot´s opinion. :P

I can add even more,though you get the picture. ;)

Arach666

gamespots opinion is - 404 page not found? well that's interesting indeed :P

btw I only cared about your opinion that's why I asked you ;) I can look up the articles on these sites anytime :)

Could make a console list that would easily smash that but I don't care to list like 300 games.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

gamespots opinion is - 404 page not found? well that's interesting indeed :P

btw I only cared about your opinion that's why I asked you ;) I can look up the articles on these sites anytime :)

Pray_to_me

Could make a console list that would easily smash that but I don't care to list like 300 games.

That alone should tell you wich system alone has more of the best games ever made.

Notice that I´m not even touching the entire libraries of older computers like the Apple 2,the Amiga or the Spectrum,among many others...

this post won't save the PC

Same song, same tune.

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Ok,i´ll tell you just a few: Half Life Half Life 2 Deus Ex Baldur´s gate Baldur´s Gate 2 Planescape: Torment Doom Quake Duke Nukem 3D Warcraft Warcraft 2 Warcraft 3 World of warcraft Diablo Diablo 2 Starcraft Starcraft 2 System Shock System Shock 2 Civilization series Command & Conquer Manic Mansio: Day of Tentacle Fallout Fallout 2 Ultima series Everquest Myst series Thief: Dark project Thief 2: the Metal Age Heroes of Might & Magic series Counter Strike Dark Forces X-Com: UFO Defense Freelancer X series Myth: the Fallen Lords Age of Empires The Sims Sim City ...come on theuncharted,I can go on forever. :PArach666

Could make a console list that would easily smash that but I don't care to list like 300 games.

That alone should tell you wich system alone has more of the best games ever made.

well, obviously that's totally subjective. i think both consoles and pc have the best games ever made.

Well, consoles do hold back gaming, but not because of marketing or casualization.

Games tend to sell better on consoles. We can agree on this, yes? Consoles are less powerful than gaming PCs, generally. We can agree on this also, yes? So, if a game developer wants to make a lot of money, which I believe most of them do, then they want to make a game for consoles, because that's where most of the sales are, right? If consoles are less powerful than PCs, then the game must then be designed to run well on consoles rather than being designed to the potential of PCs. Thus, we get games that are smaller and less complex than they could be were they simply made for PC.

BUT, that doesn't mean that there aren't awesome games being made for PC as well. I think Shogun 2 is a great example of the kinds of PC exclusives we're still getting.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Pray_to_me"]

Could make a console list that would easily smash that but I don't care to list like 300 games.

lazerface216

That alone should tell you wich system alone has more of the best games ever made.

well, obviously that's totally subjective. i think both consoles and pc have the best games ever made.

I fail to see how this applys to console games.

Well, I'm convinced. Guess I should throw my consoles away.

I have yet to play a PC game that is better than Majoras Mask, so start with that first :P

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Well,I can show you Gamespot´s opinion. :P

I can add even more,though you get the picture. ;)

Arach666

gamespots opinion is - 404 page not found? well that's interesting indeed :P

btw I only cared about your opinion that's why I asked you ;) I can look up the articles on these sites anytime :)

hmm. nice. right off the top of my head,

super mario bros.

sonic the hedgehog (oh how the mighty have fallen :P )

super mario bros. 3

super mario world

yoshi's island

super metroid

paper mario

paper mario the thousand year door

zelda : OOT

zelda : majora's mask

super mario 64

shadow of the colossus

devil may cry 3

metroid prime

metroid prime 2 echoes

zelda : wind waker

zelda : twilight princess

halo : CE

goldeneye 64

banjo kazooie

FF : 7

MGS 4

uncharted 2

FF : 6

metroid

super mario galaxy

super mario galaxy 2

there are many more :P

I'm sure both of us disagree with many on each other's lists though :P

I'm sure both of us disagree with many on each other's lists though :P

theuncharted34

Yeah,I disagree with some but in general I can agree with most of them. Point is,the PC has a big chunk of the best games ever made. ;)

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

*Amazing PC list*

theuncharted34

*Amazing console list*

Let's all agree to agree that gaming is awesome, alright? :)