Gamesindustry: The Xbox One Question: Why Did Microsoft Do It?

Good read.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-14-the-xbox-one-question-why-did-microsoft-do-it

A few highlights:

"Nobody really believed that Microsoft would paint itself as a villain unless it was absolutely confident that Sony was going to be compelled to do likewise"

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."

"Most publishers have hastened to distance themselves from an online pass requirement, which is making Microsoft look rather isolated "

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There is definitely a cultural difference.
The fastpass in Disneyland for instance is probably nothing more than logical in the USA, but not accepted in my country because we feel it allows rich kids to get better treatment and is therefore openly endorsing a caste system.

One of the few times the OP says good read and its acutally a good read.  Thanks.

A lot of this stuff is obvious, but that article was so well stated.

One of the few times the OP says good read and its acutally a good read.  Thanks.

A lot of this stuff is obvious, but that article was so well stated.

ConanTheStoner

Cause Ms loves me and caters to my needs. 

I dont need to buy one of these if I want to swap a disc in an instance.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/13/xbox-360-ps3-wii-disc-changer/

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One of the few times the OP says good read and its acutally a good read.  Thanks.

A lot of this stuff is obvious, but that article was so well stated.

V3rciS

It seems nice, I'll make sure to visit it more often.  If more sites had articles like that I would be willing to take gaming journalism seriously.

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

A very good read. I always found it weird how Microsoft was doing so many coontroversial, questionable things and this does help me see things from their perspective better.

I live in Portugal, so i couldn't jump to next gen in 2013.

My internet connection is not 100% reliable, so i couldn't play my singleplayer games every time i wanted.

I have no interest in Kinect or TV, so i would be paying extra 100 euros for services i wouldn't use.

I trade games with my friends all the time.

I sell and get used games all the time.

...

Damn...i refuse to believe that MS think they are doing it right!

Sony president Shuhei Yoshida tweeted this about 2 weeks ago for those who missed it

Oh now he is just messing with us.

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."Thanos72_basic

[QUOTE="Thanos72_basic"] "However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."rjdofu

There is definitely a cultural difference.
The fastpass in Disneyland for instance is probably nothing more than logical in the USA, but not accepted in my country because we feel it allows rich kids to get better treatment and is therefore openly endorsing a caste system.

KungfuKitten

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

NathanDrakeSwag

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

NathanDrakeSwag

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M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

Shewgenja

Microsoft as a company, needs some major restructuring from Balmer on down. Balmer really needs to retire.

Very good article. I think that one of two things will happen. 1) Microsoft will back-track and give up their strict DRM plans OR 2) Many publishers will exercise their rights and limit their game through passes, etc on the PS4. I really don't see how the two console makers can have a completely different approaches to used games. I would not be at all surprised if some publishers that currently make multiplatform games end up supporting the one console maker that can make them the most money.

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

heretrix

Very good article. I think that one of two things will happen. 1) Microsoft will back-track and give up their strict DRM plans OR 2) Many publishers will exercise their rights and limit their game through passes, etc on the PS4. I really don't see how the two console makers can have a completely different approaches to used games. I would not be at all surprised if some publishers that currently make multiplatform games end up supporting the one console maker that can make them the most money.

dogfather76

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Very good article. I think that one of two things will happen. 1) Microsoft will back-track and give up their strict DRM plans OR 2) Many publishers will exercise their rights and limit their game through passes, etc on the PS4. I really don't see how the two console makers can have a completely different approaches to used games. I would not be at all surprised if some publishers that currently make multiplatform games end up supporting the one console maker that can make them the most money.

Shewgenja

I think that Sony may have won for now, but with console generations lasting as long as they do, I don't know about the future. If Microsoft has a solution that will more more money in the pocket of game publishers and less in Gamestop's, multiplatform publishers could eventually move to MS exclusively. Everyone knows that most are greedy and a can almost guarentee that it has been discussed at length.

Good read.

 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-14-the-xbox-one-question-why-did-microsoft-do-it

 

A few highlights:

"Nobody really believed that Microsoft would paint itself as a villain unless it was absolutely confident that Sony was going to be compelled to do likewise"

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."

"Most publishers have hastened to distance themselves from an online pass requirement, which is making Microsoft look rather isolated "

More at link

Thanos72_basic

Let me make it easy to you,i bough a xbox on launch,i bough a 360 on launch there is no way in hell i will get an xbox one while those anti consumer policies still are part of the console.

Good read.

 

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A few highlights:

"Nobody really believed that Microsoft would paint itself as a villain unless it was absolutely confident that Sony was going to be compelled to do likewise"

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."

"Most publishers have hastened to distance themselves from an online pass requirement, which is making Microsoft look rather isolated "

More at link

Thanos72_basic

There is definitely a cultural difference.
The fastpass in Disneyland for instance is probably nothing more than logical in the USA, but not accepted in my country because we feel it allows rich kids to get better treatment and is therefore openly endorsing a caste system.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="NathanDrakeSwag"]

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.

Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Thanos72_basic"]

Good read.

 

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A few highlights:

"Nobody really believed that Microsoft would paint itself as a villain unless it was absolutely confident that Sony was going to be compelled to do likewise"

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."

"Most publishers have hastened to distance themselves from an online pass requirement, which is making Microsoft look rather isolated "

More at link

LJS9502_basic

because theyre fvcking insane.  do you know what the government is doing?  hell, just basic regulations are becoming asinine to the point of unreality.

get arrested for intoxicated, they destroy your driver's license, you need a birth certificate to get a driver's license, you need a license to get a birth certificate.

oh shit, somehow now the government can't realize you exist in the only place you've been living in for 32 years of your life.  what is computer technology?

apparently the government fvcking doesn't know.  They're insane.  That's why.

THETRUEDOZAH

Everyone said they wouldn't pay for online play last gen. They went on and on and on about how if Sony ever went that route, they would abandon them. Well, Microsoft altered the standard for online console play for better or worse - it was a big success for them - and now Sony is following suit because they have to offer similar quality services and the standards are now different. Who is to say that Sony isn't taking a wait and see approach to Microsoft's new business mode with this gen tool? If it works out for Microsoft, I fully expect Sony to change their policies in similar ways. The fact that Sony is now charging for online proves that Sony realized that Microsoft had a more profitable system. I'm not saying I like it, but I'm saying Microsoft is pushing the boundaries of what consumers will accept, and Sony is watching them very closely so they can capitalize on the sea change.donalbane

I tend to agree with this. Sony is being smart right now, but if this works out for MS in any way Sony will follow suit. Only time will tell. In the end, this is about money.

I live in Portugal, so i couldn't jump to next gen in 2013.

My internet connection is not 100% reliable, so i couldn't play my singleplayer games every time i wanted.

I have no interest in Kinect or TV, so i would be paying extra 100 euros for services i wouldn't use.

I trade games with my friends all the time.

I sell and get used games all the time.

...

Damn...i refuse to believe that MS think they are doing it right!

PAL360

[QUOTE="donalbane"]Everyone said they wouldn't pay for online play last gen. They went on and on and on about how if Sony ever went that route, they would abandon them. Well, Microsoft altered the standard for online console play for better or worse - it was a big success for them - and now Sony is following suit because they have to offer similar quality services and the standards are now different. Who is to say that Sony isn't taking a wait and see approach to Microsoft's new business mode with this gen tool? If it works out for Microsoft, I fully expect Sony to change their policies in similar ways. The fact that Sony is now charging for online proves that Sony realized that Microsoft had a more profitable system. I'm not saying I like it, but I'm saying Microsoft is pushing the boundaries of what consumers will accept, and Sony is watching them very closely so they can capitalize on the sea change.maheo30

I tend to agree with this. Sony is being smart right now, but if this works out for MS in any way Sony will follow suit. Only time will tell. In the end, this is about money.

Thing about Microsoft is that I don't think it's going to be DOA. In a way, I think Microsoft and Sony are going to end up reversing roles this gen, with Sony once more becoming the "defacto core gamer" console and Microsoft's becoming the more focused entertainment box. Once they reasonably price it, I do see it selling relatively well with the tv demographic they're obviously trying to appeal to.

And yeah, gamers will get the One as well, but save for a Halo 5 release, I don't see anyone running out to get it in droves to get it.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="donalbane"]Everyone said they wouldn't pay for online play last gen. They went on and on and on about how if Sony ever went that route, they would abandon them. Well, Microsoft altered the standard for online console play for better or worse - it was a big success for them - and now Sony is following suit because they have to offer similar quality services and the standards are now different. Who is to say that Sony isn't taking a wait and see approach to Microsoft's new business mode with this gen tool? If it works out for Microsoft, I fully expect Sony to change their policies in similar ways. The fact that Sony is now charging for online proves that Sony realized that Microsoft had a more profitable system. I'm not saying I like it, but I'm saying Microsoft is pushing the boundaries of what consumers will accept, and Sony is watching them very closely so they can capitalize on the sea change.Lionheart08

I tend to agree with this. Sony is being smart right now, but if this works out for MS in any way Sony will follow suit. Only time will tell. In the end, this is about money.

Thing about Microsoft is that I don't think it's going to be DOA. In a way, I think Microsoft and Sony are going to end up reversing roles this gen, with Sony once more becoming the "defacto core gamer" console and Microsoft's becoming the more focused entertainment box. Once they reasonably price it, I do see it selling relatively well with the tv demographic they're obviously trying to appeal to.

And yeah, gamers will get the One as well, but save for a Halo 5 release, I don't see anyone running out to get it in droves to get it.

Sony welcomes you to the Live, Learn and Love culture that I've been telling you about for years. Aren't you happy that we can finally join together under the Sony umbrella of awesomeness? I am. Heil68

Thanks man.

Each generation tells an independent story, so i will never blindly support a company. 360 was awesome, especially during the first half of the generation, but now MS seems to be doing it all wrong lol

That said, it's good to be excited to a Playstation console again :)

I live in Portugal, so i couldn't jump to next gen in 2013.

My internet connection is not 100% reliable, so i couldn't play my singleplayer games every time i wanted.

I have no interest in Kinect or TV, so i would be paying extra 100 euros for services i wouldn't use.

I trade games with my friends all the time.

I sell and get used games all the time.

...

Damn...i refuse to believe that MS think they are doing it right!

PAL360

Good read.

 

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-06-14-the-xbox-one-question-why-did-microsoft-do-it

 

A few highlights:

"Nobody really believed that Microsoft would paint itself as a villain unless it was absolutely confident that Sony was going to be compelled to do likewise"

"However, I think there's a cultural difference at work here too. I suspect that within Microsoft's culture the notion of "restricted licensing, not outright ownership" is viewed as uncontroversial and mundane. I suspect that there are quite a few people at Microsoft wondering what all the fuss is about, and far more who are just waiting for the "vocal minority" to quiet down and go away, confident that the "silent majority" is perfectly comfortable with everything that Xbox One is doing. Many big companies end up being a bit of an echo chamber, reinforcing viewpoints through ongoing repetition rather than exposing them to healthy external challenge, and Microsoft is no different."

"Most publishers have hastened to distance themselves from an online pass requirement, which is making Microsoft look rather isolated "

More at link

Thanos72_basic

industrial espionage is rampant and ms probably thought they knew exactly what sony was doing.

or they simply calculated they could make more money with less customers if they were online only and just went with it.

PS4 is the answer.SaltyMeatballs

Yep...it couldn't be more clear!

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]PS4 is the answer.PAL360

Yep...it couldn't be more clear!

M$ is out of touch with their consumers. They have suits running their game division instead of gamers and it shows.NathanDrakeSwag

So, so this. The Xbox brand died when Seamus Blackley, Robbie Bach, J. Allard, & Peter Moore have either left or have gotten the boot.

I think that Sony may have won for now, but with console generations lasting as long as they do, I don't know about the future. If Microsoft has a solution that will more more money in the pocket of game publishers and less in Gamestop's, multiplatform publishers could eventually move to MS exclusively. Everyone knows that most are greedy and a can almost guarentee that it has been discussed at length.dogfather76

Most Japanese 3rd party publishers won't, especially with someone like Level 5 who despises Microsoft.

Plus most 3rd party publishers can't exactly afford to have many of their games "Xbox One exclusive," especially if the PS4 has a larger install base. It'll be suicide.