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#1 freedomfreak
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Scores are all over the place for this. Fella over here liked it.

Not interested in it myself, but the fmw's are rad. Also, the never pausing complaint seems weird.

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I don't care that the game is always online but much like Demon souls I hate the idea of never being able to pause. I've lost most of my interest because of that.

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Wait................ There is a new NFS?... Did not know lol

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#4 nintendoboy16
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Always online is "forgivable" (as GS twitter puts it)? Did we learn nothing from SimCity and Diablo III?

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I will be buying it, but I'm expecting to be playing an average racer at best, so if it is good (there's no way I trust GS reviews) I will be pleasantly surprised.

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#6 sailor232
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I don't know how this got an 8, watch the ign review, that's more accurate and that's saying something.

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#7  Edited By joel_c17
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Need for speed = Halo confirmed

Halo is the need for speed of shooters

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@sailor232 said:

I don't know how this got an 8, watch the ign review, that's more accurate and that's saying something.

Gamespot reviews are only there for SW funsies, I wouldn't even bother reading their reviews anymore.

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@funkmaster1233 said:
@sailor232 said:

I don't know how this got an 8, watch the ign review, that's more accurate and that's saying something.

Gamespot reviews are only there for SW funsies, I wouldn't even bother reading their reviews anymore.

I agree, It's a shame scores are still serious business in SW. We all know they are a load of crap but are still the main source of "ownage".

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#11  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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This game looks great, but the always online thing kills it for me.

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" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:

" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

^unacceptable

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#14 R4gn4r0k
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Seems like a solid game. I still love Need For Speed so I might get this on PC.

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Not interested in it myself, but the fmw's are rad. Also, the never pausing complaint seems weird.

Yeah I read that and did not quite follow... like: is that the best thing he can come up with?

If EA takes down the servers in a year... the game is gone. But no pausing ? That's the worst :/

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@sayyy-gaa said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

^unacceptable

That's the fact Jack. Man, something like that would have dinged FM6 big time, GS 5.0 right there. :P

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This site has become so inconsistent it's almost laughable. Gamespot should really consider redoing it's review process. I remember Jeff Gertsmann talking about how when he was at Gamespot they had to justify their scores to the other writers before the review was published. At least for 10's anyway. This offered at least some sort of uniformity in the process which gave the site an identity. Gamespot today is just a bunch of young writers with questionable gaming knowledge and history. I'm all for people having different opinions, but the scoring here is all over the place now. It wasn't this bad before. And why should I care what Scott Butterworth, Rob Crossley, Mike Mahardy or Alexa Ray have to say? This group is just a bunch of freelance caliber writers with no real status in the industry. Gamespot purged their very talented, very respected staff for these Gamefly/freelance reviewers. Why? Was it money? Danny needs to just go across the hall and join Giant Bomb.

End rant.

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I'll play the EA Access trial a little bit more but that's it.

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@soulitane said:

but much like Demon souls I hate the idea of never being able to pause. I've lost most of my interest because of that.

Seems quite silly. Want to pause a Souls game? Log out with two clicks. It takes like 3 seconds. When you log back in you're right where you left.

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#19  Edited By Cloud_imperium
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Lol 8spot.

^^ Yet another proof why I stay away from EA, Ubisoft and Activision's cash grabs these days. Believe it or not, but I haven't watched a single video of this game.

Had absolutely -1000% interest. Knew, it's going to suck like any game that these guys publish these days. Upcoming,,, Battlefront.

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I'll wait till full game is on EA access.

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@Stevo_the_gamer: I don't know how they could score the game an 8 with shit like that. That is just ridiculous

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Yeah this is probably getting a skip from me. Then again, I haven't played a good racer in a while, because DriveClub isn't a good racer.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

Lol 8spot.

^^ Yet another proof why I stay away from EA, Ubisoft and Activision's cash grabs these days. Believe it or not, but I haven't watched a single video of this game.

Had absolutely -1000% interest. Knew, it's going to suck like any game that these guys publish these days. Upcoming,,, Battlefront.

Enough said.

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This site has become so inconsistent it's almost laughable. Gamespot should really consider redoing it's review process. I remember Jeff Gertsmann talking about how when he was at Gamespot they had to justify their scores to the other writers before the review was published. At least for 10's anyway. This offered at least some sort of uniformity in the process which gave the site an identity. Gamespot today is just a bunch of young writers with questionable gaming knowledge and history. I'm all for people having different opinions, but the scoring here is all over the place now. It wasn't this bad before. And why should I care what Scott Butterworth, Rob Crossley, Mike Mahardy or Alexa Ray have to say? This group is just a bunch of freelance caliber writers with no real status in the industry. Gamespot purged their very talented, very respected staff for these Gamefly/freelance reviewers. Why? Was it money? Danny needs to just go across the hall and join Giant Bomb.

End rant.

Not that these writers are good, but the writers your gassing up, most of them weren't educated enough to be credible bloggers, much less work for a journalism outlet/major publication in good mediums. Jeff himself for all his entertainment value, is an awful writer. If I remember this right, he doesn't even have a degree, his recent value is that he's been doing this for so long he gets to share a lot of knowledge on the business side of things.

Otherwise, those freelance reviewers these days do actually need to show they've been educated to earn their spot, and whatever in sight the likes of Sterling/Gerstman have today, they got when they got their break and were allowed to improve their craft. No different with the young-ins.

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#25  Edited By speedfreak48t5p
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Always Online is an instant turn off for me.

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#26 Dark_man123
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So by systems wars logic this game is just as good as Forza Motorsport 6?

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This just goes to show why review scores are an outdated and almost meaningless way to judge games these days..

Like most EA games, I'll give it a try once it drops in the EA Access Vault.. But the lack of consistency in these Gamespot scores is starting to make the SW metagame a crapshoot..

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#28  Edited By Wasdie  Moderator
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Unlike most people here, I don't mind always online. I am always online and it's exceedingly rare that I don't have internet. I do have a problem when the always online design gets in the way of the basic gameplay. No pausing in a single player game is pathetic.

Sad too because I was kind of looking forward too this. It looked like a lot of fun.

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@SecretPolice said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

^unacceptable

That's the fact Jack. Man, something like that would have dinged FM6 big time, GS 5.0 right there. :P

funny they didn't cut 2 points for not having 60fps replays XD

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@tushar172787 said:
@SecretPolice said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

^unacceptable

That's the fact Jack. Man, something like that would have dinged FM6 big time, GS 5.0 right there. :P

funny they didn't cut 2 points for not having 60fps replays XD

lol, yup, if FH2 & FM6 were multi's... couple 10's right there mang. :P

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@Wasdie said:

Unlike most people here, I don't mind always online. I am always online and it's exceedingly rare that I don't have internet. I do have a problem when the always online design gets in the way of the basic gameplay. No pausing in a single player game is pathetic.

Well put agree with 100% and it saves me writing down my less eloquent thoughts :P

No pause in SP? WTF.

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@jg4xchamp: Just curious. What would showing "how they've been educated to earn their spot," look like exactly? Just trying to figure out if you mean by that statement.

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@SecretPolice said:
@sayyy-gaa said:
@Stevo_the_gamer said:

" If you ever need to quickly pause the action to, say, answer your phone or stop your cat from destroying your furniture, you simply can't unless you're willing to lose whatever event you're playing. I was also disconnected from EA's servers anytime I was away from the game for even a brief period, which led to the unnecessary hassle of reconnecting just to continue playing by myself."

What the hell.

^unacceptable

That's the fact Jack. Man, something like that would have dinged FM6 big time, GS 5.0 right there. :P

Gotta agree with that, If not in a multiplayer match, then pause is necessary. In case you have to deal with real life at the same time, which happens often.

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#34  Edited By Ten_Pints
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Still think someone should make a "Need for Shit: Hot Pursuit" game were you play as a person who is dying for a shit while being evading the police, if you don't make it to the toilet in time you shit yourself.

Would be a much more interesting game.

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Man, what the hell is up with GS ignoring shit parts of mediocre games and giving them higher scores than they deserve lately? This review and the Syndicate review are just really bad and I have no idea how they made it on to the site.

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@Heil68 said:

I'll wait till full game is on EA access.

Just saw that the trial is available already. Wish I already knew.

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@mems_1224 said:

Man, what the hell is up with GS ignoring shit parts of mediocre games and giving them higher scores than they deserve lately? This review and the Syndicate review are just really bad and I have no idea how they made it on to the site.

Yeah, this is embarrassing.

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@jg4xchamp: Just curious. What would showing "how they've been educated to earn their spot," look like exactly? Just trying to figure out if you mean by that statement.

My understanding is that while back in the day it was one thing to get a job without so much as a college degree, getting a job today is a different story. Especially for an EiC job, I would imagine yeah, the person has a degree. Being my point. It was poorly written on my part.

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@jg4xchamp said:
@GoldenElementXL said:

This site has become so inconsistent it's almost laughable. Gamespot should really consider redoing it's review process. I remember Jeff Gertsmann talking about how when he was at Gamespot they had to justify their scores to the other writers before the review was published. At least for 10's anyway. This offered at least some sort of uniformity in the process which gave the site an identity. Gamespot today is just a bunch of young writers with questionable gaming knowledge and history. I'm all for people having different opinions, but the scoring here is all over the place now. It wasn't this bad before. And why should I care what Scott Butterworth, Rob Crossley, Mike Mahardy or Alexa Ray have to say? This group is just a bunch of freelance caliber writers with no real status in the industry. Gamespot purged their very talented, very respected staff for these Gamefly/freelance reviewers. Why? Was it money? Danny needs to just go across the hall and join Giant Bomb.

End rant.

Not that these writers are good, but the writers your gassing up, most of them weren't educated enough to be credible bloggers, much less work for a journalism outlet/major publication in good mediums. Jeff himself for all his entertainment value, is an awful writer. If I remember this right, he doesn't even have a degree, his recent value is that he's been doing this for so long he gets to share a lot of knowledge on the business side of things.

Otherwise, those freelance reviewers these days do actually need to show they've been educated to earn their spot, and whatever in sight the likes of Sterling/Gerstman have today, they got when they got their break and were allowed to improve their craft. No different with the young-ins.

Having a piece of paper doesn't make someone in this industry good. Doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers etc should all have degrees. Being a good gaming journalist, like any journalist, requires much more than a piece of paper. It requires talent and a firm grasp on the industry they are writing on. The problem with IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku etc is that all of the Vets are gone. The best writers on Gamespot are all gone. The biggest personalities at IGN all left to start their own thing because they it was obvious how popular they were, and they would be more successful and have more freedom on their own. The reason why the Giant Bombcast is so popular and that staff is held in such a high regard is because they are seasoned veterans in the video game world.

Does it really matter that Jeff Gertsmann doesn't have a 4 year degree? No, because he is a strong personality in the industry and he knows the ins and outs of the gaming industry and the gaming journalism industry as well. Does Mike Mahardy? No. But he might in the future is Gamespot kept some vets to help bring up the younger staff. Jeff didn't start out reviewing the big titles. He was mentored by season writers in the industry and worked his way up. Instead the ENTIRE Gamespot and IGN staffs of today are full of young, cheap writers. Mike Mahardy, the reviewer of Halo 5, was an Intern at Game Informer 2 years ago....... Until a year ago he worked for the Daily Orange, where he "Edited stories for style, copy and structure. Assigned stories on campus and in the surrounding areas. Coordinated with editor and co-asst. editor to establish a voice and style fitting a newspaper with a circulation of 6,000 copies and a readership of 20,000." And until June of this year he was a freelance writer for IGN, Polygon, Tech Radar etc. 4 months after that he is reviewing the highest profile exclusive of Microsoft's holiday lineup. So who is he to be reviewing such a high profile game and why do I care what he thinks about it? Would this fly in any other industry? Would CNN or Fox News have an employee of 4 months covering the Republican Debates? Would ESPN or the NFL have someone with a year of actual job experience cover the MLB playoffs, NBA Eastern Conference Finals or the Super Bowl? This is my problem with what Gamespot has been doing. They are giving high profile reviews and coverage to nobodies. So why should I care about these reviews?

And don't take this as a knock on any of the staff here or at any other site. I'm sure Mike Mahardy is a great guy and he will do many great things in his career. I'm just using him as an example to prove my point. My issue is that a person that may not have a great grasp on gaming, the industry or the people in it is contributing to the MetaCritic score of a game made by hundreds of people. These Metacritic scores determine bonuses, pay raises or even job terminations. Why should someone who has been writing for Gamespot for 4 months have the right to give Halo 5 a score? And my problem isn't necessarily with the number. Jeff at Giant Bomb gave Halo 5 a 4/5 which is equal to an 8 out of 10. But I know for a fact Jeff knows Halo, I know that he is competent with shooters, I know what he looks for and what he expects from a game. Keep giving Mike the Zelda Triforce Heroes or the Gears Remasters to review until we know he's a competent reviewer and can handle the holiday bangers. At least put him through an E3 as a Gamespot employee first for crying out loud.

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Having a piece of paper doesn't make someone in this industry good. Doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers etc should all have degrees. Being a good gaming journalist, like any journalist, requires much more than a piece of paper. It requires talent and a firm grasp on the industry they are writing on. The problem with IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku etc is that all of the Vets are gone. The best writers on Gamespot are all gone. The biggest personalities at IGN all left to start their own thing because they it was obvious how popular they were, and they would be more successful and have more freedom on their own. The reason why the Giant Bombcast is so popular and that staff is held in such a high regard is because they are seasoned veterans in the video game world.

Does it really matter that Jeff Gertsmann doesn't have a 4 year degree? No, because he is a strong personality in the industry and he knows the ins and outs of the gaming industry and the gaming journalism industry as well. Does Mike Mahardy? No. But he might in the future is Gamespot kept some vets to help bring up the younger staff. Jeff didn't start out reviewing the big titles. He was mentored by season writers in the industry and worked his way up. Instead the ENTIRE Gamespot and IGN staffs of today are full of young, cheap writers. Mike Mahardy, the reviewer of Halo 5, was an Intern at Game Informer 2 years ago....... Until a year ago he worked for the Daily Orange, where he "Edited stories for style, copy and structure. Assigned stories on campus and in the surrounding areas. Coordinated with editor and co-asst. editor to establish a voice and style fitting a newspaper with a circulation of 6,000 copies and a readership of 20,000." And until June of this year he was a freelance writer for IGN, Polygon, Tech Radar etc. 4 months after that he is reviewing the highest profile exclusive of Microsoft's holiday lineup. So who is he to be reviewing such a high profile game and why do I care what he thinks about it? Would this fly in any other industry? Would CNN or Fox News have an employee of 4 months covering the Republican Debates? Would ESPN or the NFL have someone with a year of actual job experience cover the MLB playoffs, NBA Eastern Conference Finals or the Super Bowl? This is my problem with what Gamespot has been doing. They are giving high profile reviews and coverage to nobodies. So why should I care about these reviews?

And don't take this as a knock on any of the staff here or at any other site. I'm sure Mike Mahardy is a great guy and he will do many great things in his career. I'm just using him as an example to prove my point. My issue is that a person that may not have a great grasp on gaming, the industry or the people in it is contributing to the MetaCritic score of a game made by hundreds of people. These Metacritic scores determine bonuses, pay raises or even job terminations. Why should someone who has been writing for Gamespot for 4 months have the right to give Halo 5 a score? And my problem isn't necessarily with the number. Jeff at Giant Bomb gave Halo 5 a 4/5 which is equal to an 8 out of 10. But I know for a fact Jeff knows Halo, I know that he is competent with shooters, I know what he looks for and what he expects from a game. Keep giving Mike the Zelda Triforce Heroes or the Gears Remasters to review until we know he's a competent reviewer and can handle the holiday bangers. At least put him through an E3 as a Gamespot employee first for crying out loud.

Gerstsmann the journalist is a questionable label at best. What has he ever done? He's entertaining on a mic, he's fun for a podcast, but the most journalism he has ever done is what? right a review. As far as investigative stuff, he's never done anything like that. Your degree at least means you have some writing chops, and in a field where you do a lot of writing, yeah I want a good writer. I'd much rather read something from a Cara Ellison for instance than what Jeff G is writing.

And again just because Jeff has insight, doesn't necessarily make his taste or his opinions more valid in a critique. Jeff likes Call of Duty for starters, fields change, and Jeff's position was that he was coming in with no education of any kind in journalism. Mahardy is, and thus he can speed up that process a lot quicker. The problem you have is the fallacy that someone of authority holds more weight, it's a logic failure sunshine. It ignores that the younger crowd can't bring a different perspective, it ignores the younger person might actually be more critical or get why something works, where as the older one might be more rigid.

And more to it, that's on the fucking devs. You are a consumer, you shouldn't giving a single **** why bonuses are tied to Metacritic, if they really wanted to hammer it home they should have actually delivered on a game that people responded to in that fashion. Otherwise homeboy was playing on the lobby, shared his details with the series, that's what podcasts/the lobby is for if you really want to learn the stuff.

Your opinion is just as much a part of the problem. Because you're refusing to let a different opinion even exist, especially under a half baked idea like "well he's too young" as if that means anything. There is no science to reviewing a game, you play it, you analyze it, you put words to paper. And there are a shit load of people with less insight than Jeff, that can better articulate their criticism than Jeff of a game.

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Having a piece of paper doesn't make someone in this industry good. Doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers etc should all have degrees. Being a good gaming journalist, like any journalist, requires much more than a piece of paper. It requires talent and a firm grasp on the industry they are writing on. The problem with IGN, Gamespot, Kotaku etc is that all of the Vets are gone. The best writers on Gamespot are all gone. The biggest personalities at IGN all left to start their own thing because they it was obvious how popular they were, and they would be more successful and have more freedom on their own. The reason why the Giant Bombcast is so popular and that staff is held in such a high regard is because they are seasoned veterans in the video game world.

Does it really matter that Jeff Gertsmann doesn't have a 4 year degree? No, because he is a strong personality in the industry and he knows the ins and outs of the gaming industry and the gaming journalism industry as well. Does Mike Mahardy? No. But he might in the future is Gamespot kept some vets to help bring up the younger staff. Jeff didn't start out reviewing the big titles. He was mentored by season writers in the industry and worked his way up. Instead the ENTIRE Gamespot and IGN staffs of today are full of young, cheap writers. Mike Mahardy, the reviewer of Halo 5, was an Intern at Game Informer 2 years ago....... Until a year ago he worked for the Daily Orange, where he "Edited stories for style, copy and structure. Assigned stories on campus and in the surrounding areas. Coordinated with editor and co-asst. editor to establish a voice and style fitting a newspaper with a circulation of 6,000 copies and a readership of 20,000." And until June of this year he was a freelance writer for IGN, Polygon, Tech Radar etc. 4 months after that he is reviewing the highest profile exclusive of Microsoft's holiday lineup. So who is he to be reviewing such a high profile game and why do I care what he thinks about it? Would this fly in any other industry? Would CNN or Fox News have an employee of 4 months covering the Republican Debates? Would ESPN or the NFL have someone with a year of actual job experience cover the MLB playoffs, NBA Eastern Conference Finals or the Super Bowl? This is my problem with what Gamespot has been doing. They are giving high profile reviews and coverage to nobodies. So why should I care about these reviews?

And don't take this as a knock on any of the staff here or at any other site. I'm sure Mike Mahardy is a great guy and he will do many great things in his career. I'm just using him as an example to prove my point. My issue is that a person that may not have a great grasp on gaming, the industry or the people in it is contributing to the MetaCritic score of a game made by hundreds of people. These Metacritic scores determine bonuses, pay raises or even job terminations. Why should someone who has been writing for Gamespot for 4 months have the right to give Halo 5 a score? And my problem isn't necessarily with the number. Jeff at Giant Bomb gave Halo 5 a 4/5 which is equal to an 8 out of 10. But I know for a fact Jeff knows Halo, I know that he is competent with shooters, I know what he looks for and what he expects from a game. Keep giving Mike the Zelda Triforce Heroes or the Gears Remasters to review until we know he's a competent reviewer and can handle the holiday bangers. At least put him through an E3 as a Gamespot employee first for crying out loud.

Gerstsmann the journalist is a questionable label at best. What has he ever done? He's entertaining on a mic, he's fun for a podcast, but the most journalism he has ever done is what? right a review. As far as investigative stuff, he's never done anything like that. Your degree at least means you have some writing chops, and in a field where you do a lot of writing, yeah I want a good writer. I'd much rather read something from a Cara Ellison for instance than what Jeff G is writing.

And again just because Jeff has insight, doesn't necessarily make his taste or his opinions more valid in a critique. Jeff likes Call of Duty for starters, fields change, and Jeff's position was that he was coming in with no education of any kind in journalism. Mahardy is, and thus he can speed up that process a lot quicker. The problem you have is the fallacy that someone of authority holds more weight, it's a logic failure sunshine. It ignores that the younger crowd can't bring a different perspective, it ignores the younger person might actually be more critical or get why something works, where as the older one might be more rigid.

And more to it, that's on the fucking devs. You are a consumer, you shouldn't giving a single **** why bonuses are tied to Metacritic, if they really wanted to hammer it home they should have actually delivered on a game that people responded to in that fashion. Otherwise homeboy was playing on the lobby, shared his details with the series, that's what podcasts/the lobby is for if you really want to learn the stuff.

Your opinion is just as much a part of the problem. Because you're refusing to let a different opinion even exist, especially under a half baked idea like "well he's too young" as if that means anything. There is no science to reviewing a game, you play it, you analyze it, you put words to paper. And there are a shit load of people with less insight than Jeff, that can better articulate their criticism than Jeff of a game.

So experience in the field means nothing to you? Why do you think so many sports analyst are former players. Do you think they all have journalism degrees? No, they have experience in the field and know things that can't be taught in a classroom. And those who do have degrees and never played had to work their way up the ladder and are EXTREMELY talented. I don't want to read a video game review from some "wordsmith" that might not be good at video games, might not know a lot about the history of video games, and doesn't share the same passion for the hobby that I do. And I have no problem whatsoever hearing different peoples opinions. I would love to hear what Mike Mahardy thinks of every video game. But I wouldn't necessarily want him writing a review and assigning a score for Uncharted 4 or the next Zelda.

And you are totally downplaying Jeff Gertsmann's role in the industry. The man knows EVERYBODY. He has interviewed people in the industry for decades. He has an insane gaming library and LOVES video games. Cara Ellison might be a great writier, (which is why she is a writing games now) but why would I care about her opinion? If I am reading a creative piece I may choose her work over Jeff's. But why the hell would I value a review written by her and her score over Jeff's? Being a good writer doesn't make you a trusted, valued reviewer. I think Cows would agree that Tom McShea wasn't the best person to review The Last of Us.

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the game has rubberbanding. That should automatically deduct like 3 points from an online racing game. Safe to say the reviewing around this place has basically gone to hell. Theres no consistency its like the refs in the NBA playoffs they just make calls for dramatic effect.

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You know what's sadder than Jeff Gertsmann? A Jeff Gertsmann fan.

The man is the face of cynisicm and indiference. 90% of the time he looks like he wishes he was doing something else, but kids and jaded dudes love his shit.

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the game has rubberbanding. That should automatically deduct like 3 points from an online racing game. Safe to say the reviewing around this place has basically gone to hell. Theres no consistency its like the refs in the NBA playoffs they just make calls for dramatic effect.

Are you playing the game or is there video of this?

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As for the game.... why does it look so lifeless? And serious?

Its about stupid looking cars with rainbow neon lights and the Ali G culture that comes with it. Why make it look gritty, "legit" and realistic?

They Jeff Gertsmanned the game

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You know what's sadder than Jeff Gertsmann? A Jeff Gertsmann fan.

The man is the face of cynisicm and indiference. 90% of the time he looks like he wishes he was doing something else, but kids and jaded dudes love his shit.

Kids and jaded dudes? I think you are talking about Angry Joe.

Jeff gets plenty of enjoyment out of gaming. He will also tell you about the screw ups of every console maker, developer, publisher etc. He doesn't pick sides and isn't affraid to speak his mind. One day he will talk about how fucked the Xbox One UI is. The next he will bitch about PSN download speeds. He can go from talking real deep about fighting games and then carry a deep conversation about Mario Maker. Then he will try to sell the other people on the podcast on playing clicker games. His scope and knowledge is massive. Most other people in the industry don't have that. Just because he can go on rants about how bad some things are doesn't make him jaded or cynical. He offers plenty of positive insights as well.

I'm not a huge Jeff Gertsmann fanboy or anything, I was just using him as an example in my post. I like the majority of the Giant Bomb staff as a while. Brad and Alex can be a little iffy at times but they are a very well rounded group. This makes their review system work very well because they have the proper expertise in each genre. That way you don't end up with someone like Alexa Ray Corriea dropping a 9 for Assassins Creed Syndicate.

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@Thunderdrone said:

You know what's sadder than Jeff Gertsmann? A Jeff Gertsmann fan.

The man is the face of cynisicm and indiference. 90% of the time he looks like he wishes he was doing something else, but kids and jaded dudes love his shit.

Kids and jaded dudes? I think you are talking about Angry Joe.

Jeff gets plenty of enjoyment out of gaming. He will also tell you about the screw ups of every console maker, developer, publisher etc. He doesn't pick sides and isn't affraid to speak his mind. One day he will talk about how fucked the Xbox One UI is. The next he will bitch about PSN download speeds. He can go from talking real deep about fighting games and then carry a deep conversation about Mario Maker. Then he will try to sell the other people on the podcast on playing clicker games. His scope and knowledge is massive. Most other people in the industry don't have that. Just because he can go on rants about how bad some things are doesn't make him jaded or cynical. He offers plenty of positive insights as well.

I'm talking about his demeanor. Its joyless, snarky and detached.

I've watched plenty of JG quicklooks. He is informed (as he should be) but almost always sounds bored, unimpressed and emotionless besides the ocasional snark and ironic comment. I realise sarcastic language and the jaded yeah-but-what-have-you-done-4-me-lately attitude is the internet gaming community in a nutshell, but I dont want that depressing shit from press members.

Well, Giantbomb isnt really "the press". They are the internet's Reality TV show for videogames. Fans talk more about the shenanigans between GB members (as if they are sitcom characters) than their impressive journalistic feats. Its almost the Keeping up with the Kardashians for the gaming community.

"OH look at what fat Brad said!" "Oh shit beard Jeff is trashing X game""Look Dan is fighting to get game Y nominated roflmao"...... ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

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Looks like a 5/10 game to me. GB's Quick Look looked so mediocre i couldn't watch the whole thing

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@Stevo_the_gamer said:
@oflow said:

the game has rubberbanding. That should automatically deduct like 3 points from an online racing game. Safe to say the reviewing around this place has basically gone to hell. Theres no consistency its like the refs in the NBA playoffs they just make calls for dramatic effect.

Are you playing the game or is there video of this?

he says it in this review. IGN says it in their review. Lots of people online are saying it.

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@Thunderdrone said:
@GoldenElementXL said:
@Thunderdrone said:

You know what's sadder than Jeff Gertsmann? A Jeff Gertsmann fan.

The man is the face of cynisicm and indiference. 90% of the time he looks like he wishes he was doing something else, but kids and jaded dudes love his shit.

Kids and jaded dudes? I think you are talking about Angry Joe.

Jeff gets plenty of enjoyment out of gaming. He will also tell you about the screw ups of every console maker, developer, publisher etc. He doesn't pick sides and isn't affraid to speak his mind. One day he will talk about how fucked the Xbox One UI is. The next he will bitch about PSN download speeds. He can go from talking real deep about fighting games and then carry a deep conversation about Mario Maker. Then he will try to sell the other people on the podcast on playing clicker games. His scope and knowledge is massive. Most other people in the industry don't have that. Just because he can go on rants about how bad some things are doesn't make him jaded or cynical. He offers plenty of positive insights as well.

I'm talking about his demeanor. Its joyless, snarky and detached.

I've watched plenty of JG quicklooks. He is informed (as he should be) but almost always sounds bored, unimpressed and emotionless besides the ocasional snark and ironic comment. I realise sarcastic language and the jaded yeah-but-what-have-you-done-4-me-lately attitude is the internet gaming community in a nutshell, but I dont want that depressing shit from press members.

Well, Giantbomb isnt really "the press". They are the internet's Reality TV show for videogames. Fans talk more about the shenanigans between GB members (as if they are sitcom characters) than their impressive journalistic feats. Its almost the Keeping up with the Kardashians for the gaming community.

"OH look at what fat Brad said!" "Oh shit beard Jeff is trashing X game""Look Dan is fighting to get game Y nominated roflmao"...... ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

I couldn't disagree with your take at all but it's pretty funny. I like Giant Bomb because the viewers/listeners get multiple perspectives on a game rather than just 1 persons opinion. Each member does sort of have their own role/shtick I agree, but I would hardly call them the Kardashians.

If you find Giant Bomb "ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz" what sites do you like?