Gaming on a LED TV any real difference between LCD/Plasma?

Guys you think is there a real big difference to spend some more $$$ on a new LED TV, I know for movies theres an impressive improvement. But what about gaming?

Not the right place for this topic, but plasma is still the best. Also please don't call it an LED TV, its just an LCD with LED backlights...The term "LED TV" came because of Samsung trying to make their TV's sound like a new technology.

Not theright place for this topic, but plasma is still the best.

NVIDIATI

Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

I have a plasma already and love it, but i just watch a Bluray on my father's55'' LED tv and i was like :shock:

new plasmas rarly get burn in . LED is the same as LCD but it uses a better back light. LED makes more pure light so u get a better picture then lcd .

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Not theright place for this topic, but plasma is still the best.

slothboyadvance

Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

new plasmas rarly get burn in . LED is the same as LCD but it uses a better back light. LED makes more pure light so u get a better picture then lcd .

dontshackzmii

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Not theright place for this topic, but plasma is still the best.

NVIDIATI

Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

Avoid Plasma like the swine flu. I had severe image retention up the ass from gaming. I recently traded in a plasma for LCD. Never been happier.

In our house we have a projector, a panasonic plasma, a samsung lcd, a new sony LED and an old HD crt. When it comes to movies and gaming I really enjoy the plasma and crt the best. colors, blacks, clarity are all amazing. Plasma beats the crt when it comes to ghosting issues. LCD and LED are both ok but I hate the silk screen effect and the limited viewing angles. THe projector is just great for when you want it big. it is only a mid range ($1500.00) projector so if you spent more it would be much better.

All in all plasma is my favorite gaming and movie tv. I have not had any burn in problems the last 5 years with plasmas. Before that though I did. Just purchase a newer one!

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Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

ogvampire

No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

I went and got my Kuro on sale this past December there was not a single LED/LCD in the store that couldeven beconsidered a"tiny" bit offfrom theElite Kuro. Up until now its still the best TV on the market, when Pioneer released it at the end of 2008 it was already a year ahead of the others, and then some. There is a reason most review sites still use it as their benchmark to date. Also if you really want an Elite Kuro there still are a couple of the PRO 101FD and the PRO 141FD models around at some stores. But the Elite Kuro has never been the type of TV you would find at your local Best Buy, or Futureshop. Anyways the new Panasonic plasmas coming later this year should top the Elite Kuro, because when Pioneer stopped production most of the dev. team moved to Panasonic.

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[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

ogvampire

No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

The difference between a KRP and LCD/LED is huge. LCD/LED tech hasn't really progressed very far, when it comes to picture motion, colour and black levels there isn't an LCD/LED that can touch a KRP or the new Panasonic 12G panels, this is the reason they are considered the best TV's in the world.

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No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

NVIDIATI

too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

I went and got my Kuro on sale this past December there was

farewell: pioneer kuro line of plasma's

they stopped making them in May of 09, so with the price that it carried and low sales (cause of its high price range), its no surprise you still found 1 or 2 available

not a single LED/LCD in the store that couldeven beconsidered a"tiny" bit offfrom theElite Kuro.

i disagree

Up until now its still the best TV on the market, when Pioneer released it at the end of 2008 it was already a year ahead of the others, and then some. There is a reason most review sites still use it as their benchmark to date. Also if you really want an Elite Kuro there still are a couple of the PRO 101FD and the PRO 141FD models around at some stores.

But the Elite Kuro has never been the type of TV you would find at your local Best Buy, or Futureshop.

maybe you should have visited the Best Buy in Los Angeles... they used to have plenty in stock

Anyways the new Panasonic plasmas coming later this year should top the Elite Kuro, because when Pioneer stopped production most of the dev. team moved to Panasonic.

My DLP projector produces better black levels than all LCD TVs...

LCDs have horrible black levels.

Plasmas are still the best TVs, but DLP projectors are amazing as well.

I own an Optoma HD70. This is that kind of images it can produce:

For under $900, you can't go wrong. DLP technology is awesome.

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No such thing as burn in on any new plasma for the past few years. Also currently the best TV on the market which is a plasma(Pioneer Elite Kuro) looks better than any LED+LCD or LCD TV on the market. After the Pioneer Elite comes the Panasonic V series plasma. And as an owner of the Elite Kuro (PRO 111FD) I can tell you it looks way above any LCD/LED TV Samsung/Sony/etc can offer.

JonnyHomer1987

too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

The difference between a KRP and LCD/LED is huge. LCD/LED tech hasn't really progressed very far, when it comes to picture motion, colour and black levels there isn't an LCD/LED that can touch a KRP or the new Panasonic 12G panels, this is the reason they are considered the best TV's in the world.

i have seen the Kuro next to Samsung 8 series and Sony6 xbr 8... the difference was minimal at best. it did have better black levels, but besides that, i didnt see much difference... not worth the price difference imo

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too bad they dont make Kuro's anymore...

also, the difference between the kuro and top-of-the-line samsung/sony lcd/led is tiny at best, only videophiles can tell a difference (plus that was 2 years ago.... lcd/led tech has improved since)

ogvampire

The difference between a KRP and LCD/LED is huge. LCD/LED tech hasn't really progressed very far, when it comes to picture motion, colour and black levels there isn't an LCD/LED that can touch a KRP or the new Panasonic 12G panels, this is the reason they are considered the best TV's in the world.

i have seen the Kuro next to Samsung 8 series and Sony6 xbr 8... the difference was minimal at best. it did have better black levels, but besides that, i didnt see much difference... not worth the price difference imo

One thing about plasmas (and any flat panel TV) is that they require calibration. A stock Kuro won't necessarily look impressive but if you calibrate it yourself or better yet get it professionally calibrated it will be the best looking TV you can have, hands down. I own a Panasonic Viera Plasma, Sony LCD, and my friend has a Kuro plasma. Kuro definitely looks the best (less flickering, better blacks, no need for 2:3 pulldown as far as I know) but the difference is mostly negligible. Vieras do have an ugly 'feature' which increases backlight intensity after certain periods of time which can diminish picture quality but I would say it still looks far better than any LCD TV you can find.

Like the poster above said, LED TVs aren't new tech. They use a different backlight which more evenly distributes the lighting but LCDs still have all the same downfalls. Bad blacks, ghosting, and bad viewing angles to name a few. You really have to see 2 calibrated TVs side by side before making a judgement. Plasma > LED > LCD until OLED is reasonably priced and sized. Any videophile forum will support these claims with meters and statistics that are used to objectively rate TVs based on color reproduction, luminescence, etc.

Edit: Burn-in is a thing of the past. Any modern plasma made in the last 2 years will have no burn in at all. There is temporary image retention which will last a few hours at most, but that's the worst of it. A feature called pixel orbiter actually moves the pixels around slightly when they are displayed to more evenly burn in the TV. All plasmas 'burn-in', it's a feature of plasmas. Most plasmas won't reach peak viewing quality until 100+ hours of consistent use. This is because the gas has a burn in period where it settles in. There are even DVDs you can burn that display a rotating color image to evenly burn in new plasma TVs and videophiles will use these to achieve optimal picture quality.

If there is any misinformation in this post I apologize and anybody is free to correct me.

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The difference between a KRP and LCD/LED is huge. LCD/LED tech hasn't really progressed very far, when it comes to picture motion, colour and black levels there isn't an LCD/LED that can touch a KRP or the new Panasonic 12G panels, this is the reason they are considered the best TV's in the world.

VoxteX

i have seen the Kuro next to Samsung 8 series and Sony6 xbr 8... the difference was minimal at best. it did have better black levels, but besides that, i didnt see much difference... not worth the price difference imo

One thing about plasmas (and any flat panel TV) is that they require calibration. A stock Kuro won't necessarily look impressive but if you calibrate it yourself or better yet get it professionally calibrated it will be the best looking TV you can have, hands down. I own a Panasonic Viera Plasma, Sony LCD, and my friend has a Kuro plasma. Kuro definitely looks the best (less flickering, better blacks, no need for 2:3 pulldown as far as I know) but the difference is mostly negligible. Vieras do have an ugly 'feature' which increases backlight intensity after certain periods of time which can diminish picture quality but I would say it still looks far better than any LCD TV you can find.

Like the poster above said, LED TVs aren't new tech. They use a different backlight which more evenly distributes the lighting but LCDs still have all the same downfalls. Bad blacks, ghosting, and bad viewing angles to name a few. You really have to see 2 calibrated TVs side by side before making a judgement. Plasma > LED > LCD until OLED is reasonably priced and sized. Any videophile forum will support these claims with meters and statistics that are used to objectively rate TVs based on color reproduction, luminescence, etc.

thats fine, but like i said, only videophiles can tell a real difference

all those stats and numbers they throw at me wont mean anything if i cant tell a difference

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i have seen the Kuro next to Samsung 8 series and Sony6 xbr 8... the difference was minimal at best. it did have better black levels, but besides that, i didnt see much difference... not worth the price difference imo

ogvampire

One thing about plasmas (and any flat panel TV) is that they require calibration. A stock Kuro won't necessarily look impressive but if you calibrate it yourself or better yet get it professionally calibrated it will be the best looking TV you can have, hands down. I own a Panasonic Viera Plasma, Sony LCD, and my friend has a Kuro plasma. Kuro definitely looks the best (less flickering, better blacks, no need for 2:3 pulldown as far as I know) but the difference is mostly negligible. Vieras do have an ugly 'feature' which increases backlight intensity after certain periods of time which can diminish picture quality but I would say it still looks far better than any LCD TV you can find.

Like the poster above said, LED TVs aren't new tech. They use a different backlight which more evenly distributes the lighting but LCDs still have all the same downfalls. Bad blacks, ghosting, and bad viewing angles to name a few. You really have to see 2 calibrated TVs side by side before making a judgement. Plasma > LED > LCD until OLED is reasonably priced and sized. Any videophile forum will support these claims with meters and statistics that are used to objectively rate TVs based on color reproduction, luminescence, etc.

thats fine, but like i said, only videophiles can tell a difference

all those stats and numbers they throw at me wont mean anything if i cant tell a difference

If my dad can tell the difference so can you :)

Like someone has said Pioneer sold the tech and dev team to Panasonic. Dont know what there called in the US, but in Australia they are called Neo plasmas and have been rated as the benchmark for reviews.

Not the right place for this topic, but plasma is still the best. Also please don't call it an LED TV, its just an LCD with LED backlights...The term "LED TV" came because of Samsung trying to make their TV's sound like a new technology.

NVIDIATI

BTW plasma is greater for dark room where there are no reflections

LCD better for well lit areas

Is a 42" 1080p Panasonic Plasma also good? I'm thinking about grabbing one for Blu-Ray movies, gaming, & HD channel viewing.

yes there is a big difference, you basically get the preformance of a high end plasma but the portability and durability *screen burn in and life* as an lcd.

Then therre is the fact they are so damn light and thin and save money on electricity.

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Not theright place for this topic, but plasma is still the best.

slothboyadvance

Really? I was always under the impression that Plasma was the worst because of burn-in. May you elaborate, please?

Although according to CNET, the new LG Infinias are almost equal to plasmas. The only thing is the price difference. A plasma would be much cheaper, except maybe a Kuro.

Save money and get yourself a plasma.WiiRocks66

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]Save money and get yourself a plasma.Messiahbolical-

You need to do YOUR research. You are right about the glare problem. And plasmas do use more energy, but it isn't that big of a difference.

First of all, LCDs and LEDs are actually rated as having a lower panel life. 60,000 hours for LCDs/LEDs and 100,000 hours for plasmas. Honestly, this shouldn't matter, because both last long enough. And no, they are not thicker. Actually, most plasmas are THINNER than LCDs. The only reason LEDs are thinner is if they are side lit, instead of back-lit, in which case they're actually worse than LCDs as they suffer from horrible backlight bleeding and clouding and little to no improvement in color and black levels. And does the weight difference matter? There isn't that much of a difference, and unless you're constantly moving your TV, it shouldn't matter. Plasma is not dying until OLEDs come along, because they are still the best.

Massive lol at the electricity argument. Ohh no the whole $112 extra a year for running a plasma.

Plasma is the best /end of story

[QUOTE="WiiRocks66"]Save money and get yourself a plasma.Messiahbolical-

Panasonic Viera G15 ->half the thickness of the G10 series - 2" vs 4". So 2" is too thick? Do some research. Check out some videophile forums. You're wrong in every way. They are dying because initially, plasmas had a lot of problems. The general public doesn't tend to do too much research. When you walk into a store that's full of LCDs and you still think plasmas have burn-in and lifetime problems of course you won't buy one. Do your own research.