Gears 1 sales on a MUCH smaller user base VS. Killzone 2 sales

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Killzone is just less appealling to casuals...

wayne_kar

the colors are boring and it just looks generic from the commercial, what does it say? "war perfected"lol sound familiar? combat evolved its a sad haloripoff

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Killzone is just less appealling to casuals...

wayne_kar

combat evolved its a sad haloripoff

Halo games on the much smaller Xbox user base outsold a good majority of the PS2 games? Userbase =/= guarantee higher sales.

Two golden things; 1) Marketing and 2) releasing the game at the right time.

Gears of War had great marketting and came out in November, where people buy software in droves. Killzone 2 had poor marketing. Yeah it had a lot of internet hype, but internet hype doesn't translate to every gamer. That's why Resident Evil 5, on both the 360 and PS3, and Halo Wars sold more than Killzone 2. Better Marketing = higher chance the game will sell. This is something Sony has been dropping the ball on lately.

As for the time it's released; games sell better during the holiday season, and when you mix awesome marketting like Gears of War, you have a guaranteed hit.

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"][QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Killzone is just less appealling to casuals...

Synthetic_NinJI

combat evolved its a sad haloripoff

[QUOTE="waynehead895"]Well Gears didn't have to compete with SF 4 and RE 5 that's for sure. Maybe Resistance and... COD3? (what else launched during that holiday I don't remember.)Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="wayne_kar"] whySpruceCaboose

combat evolved its a sad haloripoff

Though Killzone 2 didn't perfect anything.

[QUOTE="M1KES"]

Gears 1 came out at a time where very few good games existed... People didnt have much of a choice back then.

Slambo86

Though Killzone 2 didn't perfect anything.

TheNewspaper

Halo games on the much smaller Xbox user base outsold a good majority of the PS2 games? Userbase =/= guarantee higher sales.

Two golden things; 1) Marketing and 2) releasing the game at the right time.

Gears of War had great marketting and came out in November, where people buy software in droves. Killzone 2 had poor marketing. Yeah it had a lot of internet hype, but internet hype doesn't translate to every gamer. That's why Resident Evil 5, on both the 360 and PS3, and Halo Wars sold more than Killzone 2. Better Marketing = higher chance the game will sell. This is something Sony has been dropping the ball on lately.

As for the time it's released; games sell better during the holiday season, and when you mix awesome marketting like Gears of War, you have a guaranteed hit.

Lionheart08

Halo 3 was not released in Christmas, and yet, it saw sales that reached 2.5 million in USA in 24 hours.

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"]

FACT MS know how to market

FACT Sony do not

johnnyblazed88

LOL quit blaming sony marketing they spent hella money on KZ2 marketing and it worked i seen the ads everywhere for that last 2 months, its just nobody cared

I don't know if the money spent was enough, but you can't say this game was marketed properly. R2 got way more exposure than KZ2 did. Yeah, if all you watch is Spike TV, I guess you saw it. Plus, they waited until about 2 weeks before it's release to even start airing the ad= FAIL. But I somewhat agree with you on the "nobody cared" part. It's a shooter that looks better than most, but really doesn't bring anything different to the table that the more well-established, well-known shooters on the market do. But KZ2 is breaking records: It holds the record for the most depressing midnight release I've ever seen in my life.

combat evolved its a sad haloripoff

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Halo games on the much smaller Xbox user base outsold a good majority of the PS2 games? Userbase =/= guarantee higher sales.

Two golden things; 1) Marketing and 2) releasing the game at the right time.

Gears of War had great marketting and came out in November, where people buy software in droves. Killzone 2 had poor marketing. Yeah it had a lot of internet hype, but internet hype doesn't translate to every gamer. That's why Resident Evil 5, on both the 360 and PS3, and Halo Wars sold more than Killzone 2. Better Marketing = higher chance the game will sell. This is something Sony has been dropping the ball on lately.

As for the time it's released; games sell better during the holiday season, and when you mix awesome marketting like Gears of War, you have a guaranteed hit.

TheNewspaper

Halo 3 was not released in Christmas, and yet, it saw sales that reached 2.5 million in USA in 24 hours.

But whereas Halo made and kept this promise, Killzone failed to do so. And if you are a philosophy major you should know that nothing in this world made by men can ever be perfected. Perfected, that is just bad marketing.Synthetic_NinJI

[QUOTE="Renjinrezo"]

Killzone is just less appealling to casuals...

wayne_kar

we're 4 years into the generation

to some people killzone looked like JUST ANOTHER FPS so they didnt care

sony really needed a better marketing campaign...lets hope they dont drop the ball on infamous, they used to advertise the crap out of sly games...

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Halo games on the much smaller Xbox user base outsold a good majority of the PS2 games? Userbase =/= guarantee higher sales.

Two golden things; 1) Marketing and 2) releasing the game at the right time.

Gears of War had great marketting and came out in November, where people buy software in droves. Killzone 2 had poor marketing. Yeah it had a lot of internet hype, but internet hype doesn't translate to every gamer. That's why Resident Evil 5, on both the 360 and PS3, and Halo Wars sold more than Killzone 2. Better Marketing = higher chance the game will sell. This is something Sony has been dropping the ball on lately.

As for the time it's released; games sell better during the holiday season, and when you mix awesome marketting like Gears of War, you have a guaranteed hit.

TheNewspaper

Halo 3 was not released in Christmas, and yet, it saw sales that reached 2.5 million in USA in 24 hours.

Wouldn't that be because Halo is a phenominally popular franchise? :|

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

Halo games on the much smaller Xbox user base outsold a good majority of the PS2 games? Userbase =/= guarantee higher sales.

Two golden things; 1) Marketing and 2) releasing the game at the right time.

Gears of War had great marketting and came out in November, where people buy software in droves. Killzone 2 had poor marketing. Yeah it had a lot of internet hype, but internet hype doesn't translate to every gamer. That's why Resident Evil 5, on both the 360 and PS3, and Halo Wars sold more than Killzone 2. Better Marketing = higher chance the game will sell. This is something Sony has been dropping the ball on lately.

As for the time it's released; games sell better during the holiday season, and when you mix awesome marketting like Gears of War, you have a guaranteed hit.

SpruceCaboose

Halo 3 was not released in Christmas, and yet, it saw sales that reached 2.5 million in USA in 24 hours.

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

FACT MS know how to market

FACT Sony do not

wayne_kar

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

TheNewspaper

Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype.TheNewspaper

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

TheNewspaper

that's 100% not true

killzone's hype was barely mainstream whatsoever

halo is almost as iconic as mario nowadays...

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"] But whereas Halo made and kept this promise, Killzone failed to do so. And if you are a philosophy major you should know that nothing in this world made by men can ever be perfected. Perfected, that is just bad marketing.SpruceCaboose

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

TheNewspaper

That's why I saw nothing but Killzone ads on television, in 7-Eleven, on soda bottles, Pizza ads, etc. :roll:

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

Lionheart08

That's why I saw nothing but Killzone ads on television, in 7-Eleven, on soda bottles, Pizza ads, etc. :roll:

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

SpruceCaboose

LOL. :lol: Stop DEFENDING the game. If you REALLYdon't think Killzone 2 was AT LEAST as hyped as H3, you MUST have lived in a cave in the last 3 years. Killzone 2 was hyped like NO OTHER game on the forums MONTHS before release. Not even the 10 GTA IV comes close. Every damn kid talked about it before launch about how awesome it would be and how it would kill Halo. Go to N4G, see yourself, before launch, I read myself no game came close to KILLZONE 2. Also, what about the £2 AD in the UK ALONE by Sony? I saw Killzone 2 ads EVERYWHERE before launch, on bus stations, every time I **** turned on the TV, KIllzone 2 was there, especially on many TV SERIES. It's just, people ignored it.

Killzone 2 was way more hyped, in fact, EVERYWHERE on the forums and IRL. Sony spend more on marketing on Killzone 2, for instance £2 in UK ALONE, than Microsoft did on Halo 3. Everybody talked about this **** EVERYBODY. Everywhere, where have you been living? I don't even know if you're serious now... :lol:

No excuses. Cows should be shot for not making Killzone 2 a multi million seller in 1 month. NO EXCUSES. Lemmings buy anything MS/ or has the name Halo (even a shallow Halo RTS). Cows you better start buying some damn games that are exclusive to THE TREY!! Killzone 2 destroys any exclusive 360 fps i ever played YES EVEN HALO 3 imo and you arent buying the damn game .... Just stupid imo.

in the last 3 years. Killzone 2 was hyped like NO OTHER game on the forums MONTHS before release.

TheNewspaper

self-ownage?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

TheNewspaper

LOL. :lol: Stop DEFENDING the game. If you REALLYdon't think Killzone 2 was AT LEAST as hyped as H3, you MUST have lived in a cave in the last 3 years. Killzone 2 was hyped like NO OTHER game on the forums MONTHS before release. Not even the 10 GTA IV comes close. Every damn kid talked about it before launch about how awesome it would be and how it would kill Halo. Go to N4G, see yourself, before launch, I read myself no game came close to KILLZONE 2. Also, what about the £2 AD in the UK ALONE by Sony? I saw Killzone 2 ads EVERYWHERE before launch, on bus stations, every time I **** turned on the TV, KIllzone 2 was there, especially on many TV SERIES. It's just, people ignored it.

Killzone 2 was way more hyped, in fact, EVERYWHERE on the forums and IRL. Sony spend more on marketing on Killzone 2, for instance £2 in UK ALONE, than Microsoft did on Halo 3. Everybody talked about this **** EVERYBODY. Everywhere, where have you been living? I don't even know if you're serious now... :lol:

Did Killzone 2 have a Mountain Dew can? Owned cya!!

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

SpruceCaboose

Ya, you didn't see any Killzone2 themed soda anywhere did you? I think I've even seen a Halo 3 commercial in the theaters one time! Another factor that I think could have meant less sales for KZ2 is the economy. I know I have not gotten all the games I want because I need to save some bucks :(

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

TheNewspaper

LOL. :lol: Stop DEFENDING the game. If you REALLYdon't think Killzone 2 was AT LEAST as hyped as H3, you MUST have lived in a cave in the last 3 years. Killzone 2 was hyped like NO OTHER game on the forums MONTHS before release. Not even the 10 GTA IV comes close. Every damn kid talked about it before launch about how awesome it would be and how it would kill Halo. Go to N4G, see yourself, before launch, I read myself no game came close to KILLZONE 2. Also, what about the £2 AD in the UK ALONE by Sony? I saw Killzone 2 ads EVERYWHERE before launch, on bus stations, every time I **** turned on the TV, KIllzone 2 was there, especially on many TV SERIES. It's just, people ignored it.

Killzone 2 was way more hyped, in fact, EVERYWHERE on the forums and IRL. Sony spend more on marketing on Killzone 2, for instance £2 in UK ALONE, than Microsoft did on Halo 3. Everybody talked about this **** EVERYBODY. Everywhere, where have you been living? I don't even know if you're serious now... :lol:

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Killzone 2's hype was no where even in the same solar system as the Halo 3 hype. Seriously. Only in the very sheltered world of online core gamers could you think that they were even close.SpruceCaboose

LOL. :lol: Stop DEFENDING the game. If you REALLYdon't think Killzone 2 was AT LEAST as hyped as H3, you MUST have lived in a cave in the last 3 years. Killzone 2 was hyped like NO OTHER game on the forums MONTHS before release. Not even the 10 GTA IV comes close. Every damn kid talked about it before launch about how awesome it would be and how it would kill Halo. Go to N4G, see yourself, before launch, I read myself no game came close to KILLZONE 2. Also, what about the £2 AD in the UK ALONE by Sony? I saw Killzone 2 ads EVERYWHERE before launch, on bus stations, every time I **** turned on the TV, KIllzone 2 was there, especially on many TV SERIES. It's just, people ignored it.

Killzone 2 was way more hyped, in fact, EVERYWHERE on the forums and IRL. Sony spend more on marketing on Killzone 2, for instance £2 in UK ALONE, than Microsoft did on Halo 3. Everybody talked about this **** EVERYBODY. Everywhere, where have you been living? I don't even know if you're serious now... :lol:

Who cares which game gets sold at 7-11? It's all about HYPE I'm talking about. Not where games are sold. Killzone 2 Hype was Extreme, easily transcending Halo

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="TheNewspaper"]

Well, that basically destroys his "logic" about the time when a game is released. Also, Killzone 2 Hype = Halo 3 Hype. You don't know how many times Killzone 2 exploded before launch.

Synthetic_NinJI

That's why I saw nothing but Killzone ads on television, in 7-Eleven, on soda bottles, Pizza ads, etc. :roll:

Don't believe what? :question:

Think Killzone 2 sold great consider it was a sequel to a game that atleast all in SW say sucked.

Gears of war was a new game with new clean slate and had no bad reputation from a earlier game.

Who cares which game gets sold at 7-11? It's all about HYPE I'm talking about. Not where games are sold. Killzone 2 Hype was Extreme, easily transcending Halo

Killzone is just less appealling to casuals...

Renjinrezo

yeah great graphics and an FPS hmm... wasnt that halo 2

Think Killzone 2 sold great consider it was a sequel to a game that atleast all in SW say sucked.

Gears of war was a new game with new clean slate and had no bad reputation from a earlier game.

aroxx_ab

Yeah but the game sold 2 million

Think Killzone 2 sold great consider it was a sequel to a game that atleast all in SW say sucked.

Gears of war was a new game with new clean slate and had no bad reputation from a earlier game.

aroxx_ab

It did not hurt that Gears was made by Epic, the company that makes Unreal Tournament. The first Killzone sold great, but many people hated it because of the glitches and frame rate issues (but I still like it!).

Geez, and what other game was out that was worth anything at the time Gears released, I'm sure there wasn't no RE5, Cod4/waw, Socom or R2's out there at the time. And alot of people were waiting for Gears since E3 05 aswell, it was definitly hyped and people were waiting for it. Matter afact it was the only game I wanted to play on the 360 or even pc once I seen it a E3 05, and most in here would say the same.

Sure everyone remembers that cgi trailer they showed back then, makes me chuckle now after hearing people say that MS doesn't use cgi lol.

The unknown Gears 1, without any earlier games,on a much smaller userbase, sold 1 million in 2 weeks. Source.

The sequel and hotly anticipated FPS, on a muchlarger userbase than Gears 1, sold 1 million in 1 MONTH and A HALF.

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Tell me, what's better? To sell 1 million copies in 2 weeks on a SMALL userbase when you are UNKNOWN,

or to sell 1 million copies in ONE and a HALF month with a much BIGGER userbase when you're a HOTLY anticipated sequel?

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Fact: Gears 1 was the first game in an entirely new series - nothing established.

Gears 1 was released when there were much fewer 360 than there are PS3 now.

Gears 1 STILL managed to sell faster than the HUGELY anticipated PS3 FPS sequel.

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Oh, and don't come with "you play sales lol rofl", we also know that the system with the most A, AA and AAA games is 360. But now, what do you think of Killzon 2 sales vs Gears 1 ?

TheNewspaper

The demo probably turned off a few potential buyers. The sluggish controls maybe?

of course its gonna sell well that was the first hotly anticipated game for the 360, i remeber seeing it ingame informer and was blown away, because if i can recall right, MS didnt really have many great releases that coincided with the console, if i bought a 360 i would for sure rush to buy gears of war.

Is this TheNewOrder alt. account or something?

Anywho, I don't care for sales, but KZ2 is selling good and has an excellent average score. So move on.

Is this TheNewOrder alt. account or something?

Anywho, I don't care for sales, but KZ2 is selling good and has an excellent average score. So move on.

Chutebox

Who cares. Its not like the end of the world or something. Who cares.

I don't even see the sheep making the sales argument anymore -- maybe once a while, but I've been seeing the lemmings use it on a weekly basis, what's going on? :?Stevo_the_gamer

Pent up rage because of the lack of AA and AAA games to hold over the cow's head this year. :P