Gears 2 and RE5. What gives?

I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on something that I've been confused about lately.

I've been noticing a lot of people complaining that Resident Evil 5 looks disappointing because it looks like RE4 with improved visuals. I never played RE4, but the complaints seem to stem from the fact that RE5 is using the same animations, shooting mechanics, and enemies that were used in the previous installment.

Now, I'll use Gears of War 2 as an example of why I'm a bit confused by this thinking. I don't think anybody can deny that Epic is, for all intents and purposes, doing with GeoW2 exactly what Capcom is doing with RE5. They're using the same animations, the same shooting mechanics, the same enemies, etc...; However, it seems that GeoW2 is getting nothing but praise from people.

What is the source of this discrepancy? Is it merely because RE5 is the first installment on current-gen consoles while Gears 2 is the second? I'm curious what you guys think.

edit: whoops, double post :oops:

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

RE5 gets a disgusting amount of hate. And all of the reasons are stupid beyond belief.

Everyone complains about it being the same yet everyone loves Half-Life. :?

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

you did not just go there :|

What internet tubes are you looking at? Gears 2 gets nothing but hate from fanboys.Ninja-Hippo

From fanboys, yes. But they'll hate anything regardless of whether it's good or bad. They don't count.

I only own a PS3, but I think Gears 2 looks fantastic.

Resident Evil "WAS" a survival horror game, now it's a TPS when you think about it that way you might see why Resident Evil fans feel Violated by the direction Capcom is taking the series. and also non hardcore FPS fans are more picky than FPS fans who usually just take what they get as a gift from god. IE: Halo 2-3 and Gears-2Jynxzor

true man....i use to LOVE to resident evil series before 5....resident evil 4 was okay i thought of it as a change of pace..something new.......but resident evil 5 went TOO FAR...its now a TPS...which i do not like. The game is now about....running "zombies" and mindlessly killing all of them with machine guns and rocket launchers...which in the earlier resident evil's rocket launchers and machine guns were only obtainable in the last what....5 mins of the game lol?

...which in the earlier resident evil's rocket launchers and machine guns were only obtainable in the last what....5 mins of the game lol? ReaperV7

So true. :lol:

The game has been taken so far from what it used to be, it doesn't even remind me at all of the Resident Evil of old. Now I'm not saying RE4-5 are bad games, they are both going/are blockbuster hits...but why use the Resident Evil franchise for this? There was a dedicated fanbase for the Survival Horror genre that they had in the palm of there hands and they just crushed it into a fine powder to try and grab a slice of the action/adventure crowd.

I bet there are alot of people here who have never touched Resident Evil before 4 and have no idea what I'm talking about, shame on you people get to know the roots of the game and you might agree that this is a polar shift in the wrong direction for the series.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]What internet tubes are you looking at? Gears 2 gets nothing but hate from fanboys.Jared2720

From fanboys, yes. But they'll hate anything regardless of whether it's good or bad. They don't count.

I only own a PS3, but I think Gears 2 looks fantastic.

What i'm saying is that there is no double standard. People are hating on RE5, yes, but your point about "why not Gears 2 then?" is wrong, because that gets just as much hate, if not much more.

Haters will be haters.

The game has been taken so far from what it used to be, it doesn't even remind me at all of the Resident Evil of old. Now I'm not saying RE4-5 are bad games, they are both going/are blockbuster hits...but why use the Resident Evil franchise for this? There was a dedicated fanbase for the Survival Horror genre that they had in the palm of there hands and they just crushed it into a fine powder to try and grab a slice of the action/adventure crowd.

I bet there are alot of people here who have never touched Resident Evil before 4 and have no idea what I'm talking about, shame on you people get to know the roots of the game and you might agree that this is a polar shift in the wrong direction for the series.

Jynxzor

true once again....after completing resident evil: code veronica...having the franchise turn into something like resident evil 4 was the last thing on my mind! afterall code veronica was a masterpiece.

The game has been taken so far from what it used to be, it doesn't even remind me at all of the Resident Evil of old. Now I'm not saying RE4-5 are bad games, they are both going/are blockbuster hits...but why use the Resident Evil franchise for this? There was a dedicated fanbase for the Survival Horror genre that they had in the palm of there hands and they just crushed it into a fine powder to try and grab a slice of the action/adventure crowd.

I bet there are alot of people here who have never touched Resident Evil before 4 and have no idea what I'm talking about, shame on you people get to know the roots of the game and you might agree that this is a polar shift in the wrong direction for the series.

Jynxzor

Dead Rising is a way better survival game than the first 3 Resident Evils anyway :P

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

No, i think what RE fans want are puzzles that actually require some thinking, Numerous areas to explore without emphasis on linear pathways, some frights and scares and the feeling of survival achieved through things like limited ammo and health supplies. Oh, and the fixed camera was there for mood. It controlled what you seen in the room, and from what angle you seen it. Much more effective than over-the-shoulder view.

Theres a 4 year gap between RE4 and RE5.

A 2 year gap between Gears 1 and Gears 2.

Thats why people hate on RE. Its had a lot of time to change, but hasnt.

Still, I know I'm going to love RE5 anyway.

[QUOTE="beast667"]A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>-DrRobotnik-

No, i think what RE fans want are puzzles that actually require some thinking, Numerous areas to explore without emphasis on linear pathways, some frights and scares and the feeling of survival achieved through things like limited ammo and health supplies. Oh, and the fixed camera was there for mood. It controlled what you seen in the room, and from what angle you seen it. Much more effective than over-the-shoulder view.

The game has been taken so far from what it used to be, it doesn't even remind me at all of the Resident Evil of old. Now I'm not saying RE4-5 are bad games, they are both going/are blockbuster hits...but why use the Resident Evil franchise for this? There was a dedicated fanbase for the Survival Horror genre that they had in the palm of there hands and they just crushed it into a fine powder to try and grab a slice of the action/adventure crowd.

I bet there are alot of people here who have never touched Resident Evil before 4 and have no idea what I'm talking about, shame on you people get to know the roots of the game and you might agree that this is a polar shift in the wrong direction for the series.

Jynxzor

Agreed. Granted the inventory and controls needed fixing, the game wasn't even a "Resi" game to me. I prefered the creepy atmosphere and horror.

I also felt the story was taken and ruined in the process as well.

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

[QUOTE="beast667"]A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>DuDisNow

It doesn't fit anywhere in that line. :P

[QUOTE="DuDisNow"][QUOTE="beast667"]A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>TecmoGirl

It doesn't fit anywhere in that line. :P

BACK ON TOPIC: I think the fixed cameras made the games more scary.

[QUOTE="TecmoGirl"]

[QUOTE="DuDisNow"][QUOTE="beast667"]A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>DuDisNow

It doesn't fit anywhere in that line. :P

BACK ON TOPIC: I think the fixed cameras made the games more scary.

Agree. Although in RE4, Leon is so close to the camera which makes it scary too because you cant see whats right behind him. Especially with surround sound, and you hear something moving on the rear speakers, you **** yourself. I just hope with RE5, they keep that aspect the same, and dont move Chris further away from the camera and send the game even further into the realms of an action title.

Heres my answer to the OP...I don't like seeing ps2/gamecube animations in a next gen game.skiddy666

Exactly, this is a new generation and the game is using old technology. RE 4 got alot of praise though and revived the series I guess that's why Capcom stuck to it. It also could be because the guy who made Resident Evil 4 is not making Resident Evil 5.

RE4 was a last gen game with last gen mechanics. Gears of War is a current gen game with current... you get the idea.BubbyJello

in a nutshell. that is it.

besides. RE4 went less horror and more action, it was fine for then, but now we see TPSes like... like gears, that have done so much more.

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

First of all Gears 2 has a lot of improvement over the first (better cover, more fluid animation, more weapons, there are new enemies, and new shooting mechanics...do the research) and previews are saying RE5 is an exact replicate of the system used in RE4. So while the changes in Gears 2 are minimal they amount to more than what is seen in RE5, the first next gen installment of the franchise.

Second of all even if you wanted to call Gears 2 an exact replicate of the original Gears anyway, Gears 1 was a next gen game and it still feels extremely fresh to this day (not to mention we aren't even 2 years removed from its original release). RE4 will have been out for 4 years by the time RE5 comes out, and it was a game from an entire generation ago. So its a little different.

I honestly don't completely understand the complaints either because RE5 looks great to me and I enjoyed the system used in RE5, but I'm just trying to put them into context. I think that RE5 looks fantastic and I'm excited for it, but that is the difference between RE5 and games like Gears 2 that are already getting sequels this gen.

RE5 gets a disgusting amount of hate. And all of the reasons are stupid beyond belief.

Everyone complains about it being the same yet everyone loves Half-Life. :?

Aljosa23

exactly. i just hope capcom isn't affected by the stupid people saying all that crap about re5. i don't want them to change it based on what fans say.

The developer purposely made the RE5 demo similiar to RE4. N.gai croal said this on a recent 1up podcast, he also said they are going to drastically change the control scheme like being able to move and shoot at the same timeEPaul

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

A lot of fans of the original Resident Evils don't like what happened with RE4, which I don't get at all. Thats why RE5 is getting busted on, and Gears isn't. Gears fans love Gears just fine the way it is, but RE fans want clunky controls and crappy fixed cameras back >_>beast667

its because its no longer about exploring and solving puzzles anymore its all about shooting, which makes sense but i for one liked re4 alot but still prefer re2, and i just wish that they would do another one in the old style of the series... but i know its most likely not going to happen

[QUOTE="EPaul"]The developer purposely made the RE5 demo similiar to RE4. N.gai croal said this on a recent 1up podcast, he also said they are going to drastically change the control scheme like being able to move and shoot at the same timeHeydanbud92

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

*darth vader voice*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

that will ruin the game for me i swear they better not.