Gears of War could have been so much better...

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#1 WARRZONE
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Susan O'Connor is the writer for Gears. She said that a lot of the stuff she wrote for Gears got cut out because the developers did not have time to put it in.

This is how the process usually works: The developer or publisher hires a writer. The game designer tells the writer their idea/vision. The writer then writes something and gives it to the developer to do what they want with it. The writer then goes home and waits to get the game in the mail.

A writer has no control over what content makes the cut into a game. I think this is something that needs to change in the game industry. I think the game designer needs to work with the writer and tell him/her what they will have time to incorporate and what they cannot do. With the writer more involved, he/she could change the story along the way as it needs to be changed. As a result, we could get better flowing games with a strong story.

What are your thoughts on this?

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#2 Zenkuso
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Everyone knows gears story was cut to pieces, its obvious by just playing it. Thats what happens though through development.
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#3 Sir_Marwin
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Everysingle game could've been alot better....
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#4 themyth01
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 MS wanted a killer-app fast, they did kind of rush it a bit but it's still such a great game, and any game can be better.
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#5 Kook18
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writers usually have very little say in what gets into final cut or not (unless you're a famous writer. I.E. J.K. Rowling & Stephen king books made into movies. although they aren't the writers of the movie, just the novels). in pretty much all forms of media except tv shows since they pretty much have to create every episode under a time-crunch.
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#6 Blue-Berry
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For the franchise itself that might not be so bad, they sell the storie in different segments. Just the first one is oozing sequel AND prequel potential.

 

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#7 WARRZONE
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Everysingle game could've been alot better....Sir_Marwin

I'm just using Gears as an example since Susan came out and said the poor story was not her fault and that it is the developers' fault.

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#8 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="Sir_Marwin"]Everysingle game could've been alot better....WARRZONE

I'm just using Gears as an example since Susan came out and said the poor story was not her fault and that it is the developers' fault.

guess that explains why gears of war was 10+ hours and why there will be two more games in the series

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#9 -Beowulf
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I agree that it felt like the story was removed from the game, but that just makes me even more pumped for Gears of War 2... hopefully we'll get some backstory.
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[QUOTE="Sir_Marwin"]Everysingle game could've been alot better....WARRZONE

I'm just using Gears as an example since Susan came out and said the poor story was not her fault and that it is the developers' fault.

I didn't think the story was that poor. It didn't have high aspirations or anything, but it wasn't bad. 

Still, writing and stories in games have a ways to go, and a big part of that is getting writers more involved in the game creation process. Bringing them in very late and forcing them to tailor something to a larger vision only creates problems. Writers should be involved from the outset to help bring the game into being, along with everything else in the game.  

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#11 Hoobinator
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The story was extremely cliched and pedestrian as a concept anyway, and the actual dialogue wasn't great either. Unless she had a vision of completely redoing the whole story I can't imagine how much she could change it.

What made Gears great is the action and graphics. 

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#12 Etherninty
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Imagine what the story would have been if it was written by Johnny or Sarah O'Connor.
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#13 WARRZONE
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[QUOTE="WARRZONE"]

[QUOTE="Sir_Marwin"]Everysingle game could've been alot better....lawlessx

I'm just using Gears as an example since Susan came out and said the poor story was not her fault and that it is the developers' fault.

guess that explains why gears of war was 10+ hours and why there will be two more games in the series

A game could be 40 hours and still be rushed. The story was meant to be longer, but Epic did not have enough time to make the proper cutscenes that were essential to smooth storytelling. The game industy is not very mature and story content doesn't really matter to people, so they buy the game regardless because the gameplay is fun. The selling sucess of Gears is what is leading to a sequel, not the story.

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#14 Kook18
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[QUOTE="WARRZONE"]

[QUOTE="Sir_Marwin"]Everysingle game could've been alot better....sonicmj1

I'm just using Gears as an example since Susan came out and said the poor story was not her fault and that it is the developers' fault.

I didn't think the story was that poor. It didn't have high aspirations or anything, but it wasn't bad.

agreed, the game simply focused on the action more than story. which is a double sided blade. some people want action in action games without long cutscenes, some people want to have their brain stimulated with an intriguing story and atmosphere. there just needs to be a balance.
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#15 winner-ps3
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they probably ran out of disk space lolo 6-8 hours single player campaign loolo

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#16 BumFluff122
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if the cgi scenes were any longer I would have gotten seriously bored of the game in no time. I bought it to play a game not to watch a movie. I enjoyed the story, it had all the basic aspects in it to get it across.
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#17 Zenkuso
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they probably ran out of disk space lolo 6-8 hours single player campaign loolo

winner-ps3

Yeah whats your point? Resistance takes the same amount of time to beat. 

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#18 whoisryanmack
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It is all about money. If everyone was willing to pay 100 bucks per game, and have far fewer games to choose from, we could have some incredible stuff out there.
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#19 X360PS3AMD05
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It is all about money. If everyone was willing to pay 100 bucks per game, and have far fewer games to choose from, we could have some incredible stuff out there. whoisryanmack
And devs willing to take 5+ years to make a game............
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#20 whoisryanmack
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[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]It is all about money. If everyone was willing to pay 100 bucks per game, and have far fewer games to choose from, we could have some incredible stuff out there. X360PS3AMD05
And devs willing to take 5+ years to make a game............

Well, if they were gauranteed the sales to justify it they would. It just happens that the current formula works best for them. More devs working on less games should make production time about the same.

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#21 glitchgeeman
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Well at least I can now be happy that it wasn't just a bad writer. Honestly, the story in Gears is SO boring and cliche! If it weren't for the fast-paced and very exciting gameplay, I wouldn't even bother playing the game with its disgraceful excuse for a storyline. I really hope Gears of War 2 beefs up the story and explains more than the first Gears did. Gears is series that could potentially be even better if its story was more explained, but for me, that's the one thing that makes me think it's slightly overrated.
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#22 Big_T-Mac
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i care more about mp than the story.  and the campaign was great, story or not.