Gears of War destroyed gaming forever. And some other games did too.

I've thought a lot about how Western games have been winning, looking it from a global perspective, and there are things that I've noticed...

I've come to understand that the way we've made games up until now won't translate globally, and I've come to think that I need to make Kojima Productions a team that can compete alongside the rest of the world.




So there ya' go. Because of bullpoo like Killzone, Halo and Gears, Kojiima, the only developer who remembers how to make a great game instead of quick game for quick buck, has decided that mindless shooting is the way to go. Because that is what the western audience wants.

Who cares about storylines and characters I care about, let's just shoot an ugly alien in the face... over and over again.
Quote from Kotaku

Must you guys constantly whine about Halo or Gears? Even while those games existed you still got the superb MGS 4, so I think you are being a bit alarmist.

Also it's games like Gears and Halo that actually HELPED MGS 4 because without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

Kojiima, the only developer who remembers how to make a great game instead of quick game for quick buck,

Koba123

Riiiiight.

I thought MGS4 sold a few million copies. That's great.

without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

heretrix

Come on people, MGS is the only thing the man does, if he says he wants to make western audiences like his game more then what else can happens besides him making a bad FPS game?Koba123

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

Koba123

The only game that could ever make me stand in line at midnight is the MGS series.

So, Kojima has been saying:

I've thought a lot about how Western games have been winning, looking it from a global perspective, and there are things that I've noticed...

I've come to understand that the way we've made games up until now won't translate globally, and I've come to think that I need to make Kojima Productions a team that can compete alongside the rest of the world.




So there ya' go. Because of bullpoo like Killzone, Halo and Gears, Kojiima, the only developer who remembers how to make a great game instead of quick game for quick buck, has decided that mindless shooting is the way to go. Because that is what the western audience wants.

Who cares about storylines and characters I care about, let's just shoot an ugly alien in the face... over and over again.
Quote from Kotaku

Koba123

First off there's no PROOF he's talking about Gears, second your interpitation of what's good or not is a moot point since it's an opinion. FINALLY I doubt you even PLAYED Gears 2 because it was as the company is called EPIC! In fact I enjoyed it ten fold over MGS 4. Keep your opinions as simply that! OPINION.

Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?thepwninator

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?BioShockOwnz

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

Koba123

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?IronBass

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

The point is that he hasn't had anywhere near as big of an influence as any of the above and (arguably) his games aren't as good-the System Shock series, Deus Ex, Thief, and many of Miyamoto's Nintendo games are arguably far superior to any of the Metal Gear games. thepwninator

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]kojima being the last person who knows how to make a great game? :? let me introduce you to miyamoto sometimethepwninator

I don't want to attack him, but it may seem that he has published his own name a little more than the common lead designer.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]kojima being the last person who knows how to make a great game? :? let me introduce you to miyamoto sometimeIronBass

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]kojima being the last person who knows how to make a great game? :? let me introduce you to miyamoto sometimeIronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] And whoever the lead designers for The Witcher and STALKER are, as well as Chris Taylor and a fair amount more besides.darkspineslayer

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="thepwninator"] And whoever the lead designers for The Witcher and STALKER are, as well as Chris Taylor and a fair amount more besides.darkspineslayer

So he's blaming other franchises for contributing to his lack of being able to make a decent game the way he wants (take years and years and years)? And you guys defend him while mocking Cliffy? :roll:hopesfall2own

[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]kojima being the last person who knows how to make a great game? :? let me introduce you to miyamoto sometimeIronBass

I don't want to attack him, but it may seem that he has published his own name a little more than the common lead designer.

This is because the Japanese seem to like making their developers into rock stars. This is why you'll always hear about the Hideo Kojimas, Keiji Inafunes (yes I know who he is too and I didn't have to look at Wikipedia :wink: ) and Tomonobu Itagakis of the gaming world as opposed to the entire development team they represent. It sucks for the underlings who never really get the credit they deserve for putting in the real leg work behind a game's development.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] That's something that has been troubling me for some time. I don't want to say he's not good, but, why exactly is the name "Kojima" so well known? I mean, who knows how the leader of Bioshock was called? We know the dev TEAM was 2K, but the lead designer? Or from Metroid Prime? Grim Fandango? etc etc? I don't want to attack him, but it may seem that he has published his own name a little more than the common lead designer. IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] And whoever the lead designers for The Witcher and STALKER are, as well as Chris Taylor and a fair amount more besides.The_Game21x

I don't want to attack him, but it may seem that he has published his own name a little more than the common lead designer.

This is because the Japanese seem to like making their developers into rock stars. This is why you'll always hear about the Hideo Kojimas, Keiji Inafunes (yes I know who he is too and I didn't have to look at Wikipedia :wink: ) and Tomonobu Itagakis of the gaming world as opposed to the entire development team they represent. It sucks for the underlings who never really get the credit they deserve for putting in the real leg work behind a game's development.

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?BioShockOwnz

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

I agree he gets way too much attention. His team is awesome too.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?Dystopian-X

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

I agree he gets way too much attention. His team is awesome too.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="thepwninator"]Kojima isn't "gaming". Just because it may have influenced his own thoughts on gaming doesn't mean that good gaming will end :?Dystopian-X

Bingo! This man is as overrated as Dude Huge himself. Warren Spector, Ken Levine, Shigeru Miyamoto... those are some of the "real" legends in the industry.

I agree he gets way too much attention. His team is awesome too.

I still wouldn't put him on the same level as Miyamoto or Spector, though, but I would put him on the same level as Kojima.

Must you guys constantly whine about Halo or Gears? Even while those games existed you still got the superb MGS 4, so I think you are being a bit alarmist.

Also it's games like Gears and Halo that actually HELPED MGS 4 because without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

heretrix

Metal Gear Solid 4 shied away from more cutscenes and reliance on the codec this time around compared to the past. While most hardcore fans enjoy that, as do I, there was a much larger emphasis on gameplay, with a wider variety of modes this time in Metal Gear Solid 4.

If a Japanese company could make a good FPS, my money would be on Kojima Productions and Konami.

Wait, so some don't know who Inafune is? The man is always in the spotlight when Mega Man, Lost Planet, or Dead Rising are even mentioned.BioShockOwnz

I dont think it's a Japenese thing, I think it's just hit or miss. Cliffy B is basically the face of Gears, David Jaffe has been the face of God of War, Dyak the face of Too Human, Peter Molyenux or whatever his name of Fable, and Ted Price of Resistance. Those are the guys who get mentioned when talking about those games. No one else.carljohnson3456

The fact that most of those guys you mentioned go around making big claims and are talking big all the time helps too.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="IronBass"] That's something that has been troubling me for some time. I don't want to say he's not good, but, why exactly is the name "Kojima" so well known? I mean, who knows how the leader of Bioshock was called? We know the dev TEAM was 2K, but the lead designer? Or from Metroid Prime? Grim Fandango? etc etc?

I don't want to attack him, but it may seem that he has published his own name a little more than the common lead designer.

carljohnson3456

This is because the Japanese seem to like making their developers into rock stars. This is why you'll always hear about the Hideo Kojimas, Keiji Inafunes (yes I know who he is too and I didn't have to look at Wikipedia :wink: ) and Tomonobu Itagakis of the gaming world as opposed to the entire development team they represent. It sucks for the underlings who never really get the credit they deserve for putting in the real leg work behind a game's development.

This was an Eastern phenomenon long before it came to the West, at least in my observation.

But the thing is, Cliffy B and Peter Molyneux are the only ones I would classify as the same sort of "rock star" devs that you see in Japan. The rest (except maybe David Jaffe because he has come down with a case of diarreha of the mouth as of late...) are usually mentioned alongside their respective studios. Too Human for instance was seen as more of a Silicon Knights game than a Denis Dyak game. Insomniac created Resistance, not just Ted Price. It's a bit difficult to explain but I don't view them in the same way I'd view Japanese developers like Shigeru Miyamoto or Hironobu Sakaguchi. These devs made their studios and games where as the games made developers like Epic Games and Insomniac.

See what I'm saying?

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

This is because the Japanese seem to like making their developers into rock stars. This is why you'll always hear about the Hideo Kojimas, Keiji Inafunes (yes I know who he is too and I didn't have to look at Wikipedia :wink: ) and Tomonobu Itagakis of the gaming world as opposed to the entire development team they represent. It sucks for the underlings who never really get the credit they deserve for putting in the real leg work behind a game's development.

The_Game21x

This was an Eastern phenomenon long before it came to the West, at least in my observation.

But the thing is, Cliffy B and Peter Molyneux are the only ones I would classify as the same sort of "rock star" devs that you see in Japan. The rest (except maybe David Jaffe because he has come down with a case of diarreha of the mouth as of late...) are usually mentioned alongside their respective studios. Too Human for instance was seen as more of a Silicon Knights game than a Denis Dyak game. Insomniac created Resistance, not just Ted Price. It's a bit difficult to explain but I don't view them in the same way I'd view Japanese developers like Shigeru Miyamoto or Hironobu Sakaguchi. These devs made their studios and games where as the games made developers like Epic Games and Insomniac.

See what I'm saying?

Oh nos! The days of Shumps and beat em ups are over! The only life based system that was derived from the coin era is dead! What are we ever going to do!

Face it. Times are changing. Many developers are stuck in the past and eventually die, new ones arrive and take their spots. Thats how it works.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

Must you guys constantly whine about Halo or Gears? Even while those games existed you still got the superb MGS 4, so I think you are being a bit alarmist.

Also it's games like Gears and Halo that actually HELPED MGS 4 because without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Must you guys constantly whine about Halo or Gears? Even while those games existed you still got the superb MGS 4, so I think you are being a bit alarmist.

Also it's games like Gears and Halo that actually HELPED MGS 4 because without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

waynehead895

Shinji Mikami owns all. RE4 ftw!

Did you ever consider, the reason hes changing, the reason hes adapting and the reason other western games make more money and sell more than things like MGS is because there actually..Better games than MGS?

Shocking to accept reality I know, what with that perfect score that it got here on the internets it's a pity that in the real world people can make up their on mind on what they think is better isn't it?

Sorry your gaming world is crus..wait, No I'm not. Good riddence to ya, what we don't need is silly little Elitists that think there opinion is the only one that matters, the Music world has enough of those people about..We don't need them in video games.

The only game that could ever make me stand in line at midnight is the MGS series.

So, Kojima has been saying:

I've thought a lot about how Western games have been winning, looking it from a global perspective, and there are things that I've noticed...

I've come to understand that the way we've made games up until now won't translate globally, and I've come to think that I need to make Kojima Productions a team that can compete alongside the rest of the world.




So there ya' go. Because of bullpoo like Killzone, Halo and Gears, Kojiima, the only developer who remembers how to make a great game instead of quick game for quick buck, has decided that mindless shooting is the way to go. Because that is what the western audience wants.

Who cares about storylines and characters I care about, let's just shoot an ugly alien in the face... over and over again.
Quote from Kotaku

Koba123

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

Must you guys constantly whine about Halo or Gears? Even while those games existed you still got the superb MGS 4, so I think you are being a bit alarmist.

Also it's games like Gears and Halo that actually HELPED MGS 4 because without Ryan Payton's input on the controls that game would not have been as fun to play as it was.

waynehead895

How can a game destroy gaming?

That makes no sense.