GeoHots Speaks Live To G4 Regarding hacking The PS3

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So what do you think......

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYtEKQf1msI&feature=player_embedded

So what do you think......

mrmcygan

Linking for the sake of linking

This is getting ridiculous :lol:

This is getting ridiculous :lol:

mccoyca112

[QUOTE="mccoyca112"]

This is getting ridiculous :lol:

hiryu3

So if George wins then that would mean that installing CFW on a PS3 in the states would be legal and if Sony shuts you down for having CFW you could sue them?

So if George wins then that would mean that installing CFW on a PS3 in the states would be legal and if Sony shuts you down for having CFW you could sue them?

F1ame_Shie1d

So if George wins then that would mean that installing CFW on a PS3 in the states would be legal and if Sony shuts you down for having CFW you could sue them?

F1ame_Shie1d

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

XboximusPrime

[QUOTE="F1ame_Shie1d"]

So if George wins then that would mean that installing CFW on a PS3 in the states would be legal and if Sony shuts you down for having CFW you could sue them?

hiryu3

The issue really boils down to what the folks can do. Geo has done nothing wrong here but his exploit can be used by many to circumvient all kinds of things in the PS3 such as playing on the PSN network without consent, downloading hacked games for free, etc etc. Sadly, the sins of the ladder does not affect Geo... Sony is in a losing fight here.

here's my summation:

ladies and gentlemen of the jury, are we to set the dangerous precident of allowing the 1337 to roflpwn teh korporations? meh!!!!!.... meh i say!

please find it in ur heartz to apply the bbq111one11 sauce of justice!!!

Oh so the jailbreaking only applies to mobile devices, interesting.FIipMode

Whether he has "done nothing wrong" as some people are quick to suggest, is really a matter for the court to decide, but from what is known there's enough validity in the claim of violation of the DMCA to warrant exploration.

I believe that if hackers are going to get games like ..say SNES games then go ahead. But if your gonna download games like Killzone 3 (When it cmes out) then thats different.

You don't really own the device that you purchased. It's just like you not owning the rights to the games that you buy.

You don't really own the device that you purchased. It's just like you not owning the rights to the games that you buy.

LOXO7

Actually, thats what all these lawasuits have really been fighting and for a while and probably what Sony's lawsuit will strive to fight against as well. The major wins seem to suggest anything you personally purchased and is in your possesion is owned by you and can be manipulated as such... The problem really comes in, do you have the rights to tell everyone else what you manipulated... So far, the rulings on these matters in the US is a yes for many pieces of hardware.. We will see if console hardware falls under that category as well.. At the moment though, sony has a uphill battle to fight with.

You don't really own the device that you purchased. It's just like you not owning the rights to the games that you buy.

LOXO7

Why cant sony just patch this?

Also if GeoHotz does win, will this really effect sales ? I mean, not everybody is going to have the balls to download pirated games.

Why cant sony just patch this?

Also if GeoHotz does win, will this really effect sales ? I mean, not everybody is going to have the balls to download pirated games.

VensInferno

Geo exploited the deepest software Core of the ps3.. Something that cannot be patched out... They would need to make new hardware to stop it. sales might be slightly affected but at the same time, the 360 and wii has been hacked and cracked for years and are doing just well... It shouldn't be that big of a hit.

[QUOTE="VensInferno"]

Why cant sony just patch this?

Also if GeoHotz does win, will this really effect sales ? I mean, not everybody is going to have the balls to download pirated games.

jedikevin2

Geo exploited the deepest software Core of the ps3.. Something that cannot be patched out... They would need to make new hardware to stop it. sales might be slightly affected but at the same time, the 360 and wii has been hacked and cracked for years and are doing just well... It shouldn't be that big of a hit.

He seems to be taking it rather well considering he might be getting sued. Does seem like a nice person though.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="VensInferno"]

Why cant sony just patch this?

Also if GeoHotz does win, will this really effect sales ? I mean, not everybody is going to have the balls to download pirated games.

VensInferno

Geo exploited the deepest software Core of the ps3.. Something that cannot be patched out... They would need to make new hardware to stop it. sales might be slightly affected but at the same time, the 360 and wii has been hacked and cracked for years and are doing just well... It shouldn't be that big of a hit.

Well the ps3 has had the fame of being hack prove for a bit and system wars members finally get to gloat a bit that ps3 is vulnerable as well... Just a cycle of system wars.. Ps3 is just the last apple to fall from the tree and is in the spotlight right now.

[QUOTE="VensInferno"]

Why cant sony just patch this?

Also if GeoHotz does win, will this really effect sales ? I mean, not everybody is going to have the balls to download pirated games.

jedikevin2

Geo exploited the deepest software Core of the ps3.. Something that cannot be patched out... They would need to make new hardware to stop it. sales might be slightly affected but at the same time, the 360 and wii has been hacked and cracked for years and are doing just well... It shouldn't be that big of a hit.

[QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

themyth01

You own the system but you don't own the software that runs on it. With $300, you are basically bought a licence to USE the software along with the hardware. Sony owns the copyrights of software, not you.

They way PSN is setup right now it would be very difficult to block people from PSN. People have been playing on PSN with custom 3.41 firmwares for months now.i5750at4Ghz

I think this whole situation is so overblown (and kinda predictable and boring). This is something that has already occurred on every single other current-gen platform, yet for some odd reason the PS3 hack is the one getting attention.

People forget that the PSP has been hacked to shreds, has lost tons of software revenue, has lost tons of developer support, and yet in 2010 it still got Persona 3, Peace Walker, Monster Hunter 3 (in Japan, this year in West), Valkyria Chronicles 2, Phantasy Star 2, God of War: Ghost of Sparta, and more.

▲ What self respecting hacker would talk to G4? :? ▲

▲ What self respecting gamer would talk to or watch G4? :? ▲

Loco_Live

▲ What self respecting hacker would talk to G4? :? ▲

Loco_Live

I love how everyone is giving George Hotz credit for hacking the PS3 when really, if im not mistakem, it was the fail0verflow group. All Hotz did was release the private key

They guy won't lose and Sony can't do much about it to the end user. They may own the software, but they do not own the hardware, and hacking the hardware is not illegal, even though pirating is. Since he didn't pirate or even give private keys to the games out, he's safe. Sony will have to sue the next hacker who gains access to the "games private keys" and releases those, since those keys are soley for the purpose of pirating.

Hotz will win, Sony will have to pay his bills. That's my call on this.

[QUOTE="WildDangles92"]

I love how everyone is giving George Hotz credit for hacking the PS3 when really, if im not mistakem, it was the fail0verflow group. All Hotz did was release the private key

psnisdoomed

it was both

fail0verflow discovered the error in sony security BUT Geohotz used a tactic NOT EVEN failover knew about and released the keys.

Both couldnt have happend with each other

and best part is sony is doomed and will lose hundreds of millions of dollars :)

Cows get ready for no 3rd party support yayyyyyy

I was mistaken before. You were definitely talking about the 360 which was hacked almost instantly after release...What's that? it's doing great too?

Then, surely you MUST be talking about the Wii as it has a full blown homebrew scene and is just as easily hacked...What's that? It's in first place and has a ton of support?

Probably were talking about the DS then, right? There's emulators for that thing(I think:P). People dont even have to buy it...Oh, it's doing great too?

Well guys I'm stumped as to where this guy got his info. Any clues?

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

I would like to know genuinly how serious this could become, some people say it's not that bad and some people are saying it could doom sony. Can someone clarify how serious this hack is?

[QUOTE="WildDangles92"]

I love how everyone is giving George Hotz credit for hacking the PS3 when really, if im not mistakem, it was the fail0verflow group. All Hotz did was release the private key

psnisdoomed

it was both

fail0verflow discovered the error in sony security BUT Geohotz used a tactic NOT EVEN failover knew about and released the keys.

Both couldnt have happend with each other

and best part is sony is doomed and will lose hundreds of millions of dollars :)

Cows get ready for no 3rd party support yayyyyyy

Just like the 360 is hacked and has no 3rd party support.:roll:

I would like to know genuinly how serious this could become, some people say it's not that bad and some people are saying it could doom sony. Can someone clarify how serious this hack is?

deangallop

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="XboximusPrime"]

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

fun-da-mental

You own the system but you don't own the software that runs on it. With $300, you are basically bought a licence to USE the software along with the hardware. Sony owns the copyrights of software, not you.

Knowing G4 their probaly rooting him on sticking it to SONY.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

I would like to know genuinly how serious this could become, some people say it's not that bad and some people are saying it could doom sony. Can someone clarify how serious this hack is?

F1ame_Shie1d

They didn't distribute any Sony software at all, all their software was custom made to run on the hardware (PS3). I can run whatever software I want on my machine, Sony likes to think otherwise. themyth01

But sure, big bad Sony's evil. I'm sure no other company would act to secure it's financial interests in such a situation. I'm sure Microsoft would be sending Hotz giftbaskets and flowers if he gave out critical security information about the 360 and everything would be all sugar and rainbows.

[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Should we be rooting for the multinational corporation that wants to own your system after you've bought it?!themyth01