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#1 ronniepage588
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Metal Gear Solid 4

"There are plenty of valid criticisms that can be leveled at MGS4. Simply setting up a multiplayer game is a byzantine process, and once you actually get into an online match, the experience is so bland that you wish you hadn't. The fan-service-heavy story is thick with dialogue that is as melodramatic as it is longwinded, though you also get treated to plenty of creepy voyeuristic overtones and cringe-inducing attempts at humor. And Otacon; oh how we'd like to gag you with duct tape and beat you with a broomstick. If you want to constantly whimper, we'llgiveyou a reason!

Yet despite all this, Metal Gear Solid 4 is still easily one of our favorite games of 2008, in no small part because the visuals are simply beyond reproach. From the almost eerily natural, emotive animations to the painstaking level of detail on, well, every single thing you see, it's a technical marvel, though it's the quality of the cinematography and the art direction that really make it sing. The game's dramatic use of split-screen late in the game is one of the showier examples of the game's knack for visual flair, but it's apparent that serious thought went into how every shot was framed, and this kind of care brings some visceral punch and dramatic weight to even the silliest video-game nonsense. There's no shortage of huge, action-packed set-pieces in MGS4, but it's the rare quiet moments that really show off the game's craft. It's easy to keep your attention with a barrage of bright colors and flashing lights, but even when you're watching a scene where nothing is said and little is actually done, you don't want to blink. This kind of inference is taken for granted in films, but for a video game, it shows a level of visual subtlety that is unprecedented."

it was up against nominees Burnout Paradise, LittleBigPlanet, Gears of War 2, and Crysis Warhead.

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#2 Wasdie  Moderator
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Why is MGS4 winning so much? Crysis Warhead looks miles better!!!
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I haven't even seen Crysis Warhead in real life and even I know this is silly.
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#4 JangoWuzHere
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I never heard of this site....
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#5 bethwo
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It seems as though PC gaming has become very insignificant on all the major gaming websites.
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#6 EVOLV3
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All bow down to the glorious MGS4.
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#7 BioShockOwnz
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Awww, I liked Giant Bomb. :( Oh well, another site with inaccurate information. Crysis Warhead is the king of the jungle!
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#8 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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This is sad, why has thou' industry become ****ing blind?

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I never heard of this site....JangoWuzHere
well that is truly sad. I pity you. (how do you have THAT many posts on this site, and have no clue what giantbomb.com is?? Jeff Gerstmann rign a bell?
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#10 zassimick  Moderator
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To be honest, if this was going to be another graphics thread, I was going to be tired of it cause I couldn't care less about what GiantBomb says.

But... they have a great point on the whole cinematography view. It really is something that hasn't been properly used in video games, and I hope more games in the future take the time to think of these shots in their cutscenes and find meaning behind them like films do.

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Metal Gear Solid 4 looks better than Crysis: Warhead?

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#12 kozzy1234
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Such BS, Crysis Warhead is much better looking then all those games nominated.

I love MGS4 for its great story, good characters and gameplay, but the graphics are not that great imo!

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I never heard of this site....JangoWuzHere

Seriesly? :|

Oh, and on-topic, review sites just exist to make the popular games even more popular and to keep the small games small. I have yet to see a review site that reviews for the sake of bringing quality games to light instead of acting as another commercial tool.

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Why is MGS 4 winning so many awards for best graphics. It a great game, but Gears of War 2 looks better, and from what I seen of Resistance 2, that game looks better than MGS 4.
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Konami/$ony payed everybody to give MGS4 the awards. or else There are more MGS fanboys then I thought
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Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.
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Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.dream431ca

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

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Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?
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Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.dream431ca
Ummm, everyone here in SYSTEM WARS can agree that Crysis smokes everything out there, and yet impartial reviewers can't see that? It makes people angry, and rightfully so.
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What I find funny is PC wants to be in with the consoles and they get beat out on numerous websites and now it's freak out time? LOL

PC won't win every year they won't let it happen. Be to boring and besides it's comparable.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.BioShockOwnz

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

Ahh, but Crysis Warhead is different. You see, not everybody can play the game on ultra high, super awesome, destroy all worlds, I almost kicked my mom in the face, graphics. Also, it's just an expansion pack that is not much different from Crysis, it's like a copy and paste job with some new levels. MGS4 is an outstanding techincal achievement for a console game and IMO it deserve the title as best graphics.

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Conclusion: Crysis Warhead is underrated for its graphics :P
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Damn, no site want to show love to Crysis. :lol:
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#25 XenogearsMaster
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LOL @ a lot of fanboys scratching their heads... "Bu bu bu teh Crysis haz teh uber super duper graphics :cry:" That's hilarious. I think MGS4 won because of its art direction as well as the visual details and presentation... Crysis has no art style.
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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.dream431ca

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

Ahh, but Crysis Warhead is different. You see, not everybody can play the game on ultra high, super awesome, destroy all worlds, I almost kicked my mom in the face, graphics. Also, it's just an expansion pack that is not much different from Crysis, it's like a copy and paste job with some new levels. MGS4 is an outstanding techincal achievement for a console game and IMO it deserve the title as best graphics.

Not everybody can play MGS 4 in HDTV, also even on mid Crysis looks super awesome and looks better than MGS 4.

Also MGS 4 isn't that much tof a techincal achievement for the PS3, there are afew PS3 games that look better than MGS 4. Also if we are doing Techincal acvievment for consoles, why not nominate Crisis Core for the PSP?

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Wow, Giantbomb fails. Both Gears of War 2 and Crysis look a lot better than MGS4, especially Crysis
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GiantBomb, Gametrailers, Gamespot = teh console biased!
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I never heard of this site....ronniepage588
well that is truly sad. I pity you. (how do you have THAT many posts on this site, and have no clue what giantbomb.com is?? Jeff Gerstmann rign a bell?

Why should I care about Jeff? I really did not care for him like everyone else did. and the majority of my posts from gamespot have been on individual game boards.
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.dream431ca

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

Ahh, but Crysis Warhead is different. You see, not everybody can play the game on ultra high, super awesome, destroy all worlds, I almost kicked my mom in the face, graphics. Also, it's just an expansion pack that is not much different from Crysis, it's like a copy and paste job with some new levels. MGS4 is an outstanding techincal achievement for a console game and IMO it deserve the title as best graphics.

I have to disagree with the 2nd post because Crysis warhead just looks pretty and thats about it, I know it does look way better than Metal Gear Solid 4 in terms of the environment after all I love playing Crysis and Warhead on my new PC with SLI 9800 GTX :D , however when I first played MGS 4 after I played Crysis warhead I was blown by MGS 4 not because how it looked but how the graphics came out for example the transition from Movie cinematics to gameplay was soo smooth I was like wtf that is amazing and that little thing amazed me and then when playing as the robot in the airplane while the cinematics was going on I was just amazed I was like wow. MGS 4 just was to good over all in graphics...You must play this game to appericate it!!!
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Giantbomb
Gamespot
Spike TV Awards

I'm starting to think MGSIV has better graphics than fanboys have claimed. :P

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Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?AAllxxjjnn

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?Zassimick

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

"And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have"

after playing FF7 I have to say no. That game was so boring to me gameplay wise.

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[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]Why are people so mad at MGS4 getting best graphics awards? You must play it before you judge it.dream431ca

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

Ahh, but Crysis Warhead is different. You see, not everybody can play the game on ultra high, super awesome, destroy all worlds, I almost kicked my mom in the face, graphics. Also, it's just an expansion pack that is not much different from Crysis, it's like a copy and paste job with some new levels. MGS4 is an outstanding techincal achievement for a console game and IMO it deserve the title as best graphics.

Warhead has better graphics period.I will defend MGS IV's presentation to all comers but giving it the best graphics award is pure crap. I say this and I voted for it to be GOTY.
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[QUOTE="Zassimick"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?JangoWuzHere

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

"And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have"

after playing FF7 I have to say no. That game was so boring to me gameplay wise.

Why even bring FF7 into this? I'm still trying to figure out how FF7 and MGS4 are similar.

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Why is MGS4 winning so much? Crysis Warhead looks miles better!!!Wasdie
Yes but MGS graphics have style and they used visuals to create unique moments and to involve you in the gameplay. Warhead is technically great and has lots of nice animations but even then the visuals don't go farther then that.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Why is MGS4 winning so much? Crysis Warhead looks miles better!!!Toriko42
Yes but MGS graphics have style and they used visuals to create unique moments and to involve you in the gameplay. Warhead is technically great and has lots of nice animations but even then the visuals don't go farther then that.

Come on man, your just makign excuses now. Crysis Warhead is the best looking game hands down, its not even close.

Yes i LOVE MGS4, but its grahics are nowhere even close to Crysis Warheads. From a technical standpoint Crysis Warhead destroys all.

If you own both games and have a good computer to play Warhead on it, its not even a close battle, Warhead jsut kills it for graphics.

Its obvious these sites are beign biased as hell.

Just because MGS4 is one of the best games this gen, doesnt mean it automatically has the best graphics out there.

Having beat both games numerous times, i can say that Warhead is the better looking game by a long shot. MGS4 rarely had me going "WOW those are the msot amazing graphics ive ever seen", while Crysis Warhead has me saying that every 5mins.

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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="Zassimick"]

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

dream431ca

"And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have"

after playing FF7 I have to say no. That game was so boring to me gameplay wise.

Why even bring FF7 into this? I'm still trying to figure out how FF7 and MGS4 are similar.

Because FF7 had a great story and all but I felt it focused way to much on the story. Gameplay wise the game is pretty lame.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Why is MGS4 winning so much? Crysis Warhead looks miles better!!!Toriko42
Yes but MGS graphics have style and they used visuals to create unique moments and to involve you in the gameplay. Warhead is technically great and has lots of nice animations but even then the visuals don't go farther then that.

You just owned yourself. You just said Crysis warhead is technically great. So your saying that gamespot giving MGS4 best technical graphics was the wrong choice??? Because thats what Im getting from it.
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"And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have"

after playing FF7 I have to say no. That game was so boring to me gameplay wise.

JangoWuzHere

The game was boring for you because of the gameplay. Not because of the story? If that is what you meant, then it really has no relevance to what I'm talking about.

But developers should focus to get a genre that is fun to achieve the level of storytelling MGS4 has then. There's this idea and preconcieved notion that only RPGs and Adventure titles have great stories. Well developers should go against the norm and do a FPS with terrific storytelling.

Most genres do have a game with a great story, but it wouldn't hurt developers to strive more for that.

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I believe since MGS4 is more movie than game, it has more time to showoff the graphics. It's like these people will just sit there and watch these long cutscenes and it leaves them a lasting impression.
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#42 stvee101
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Metal Gear Solid 4 looks better than Crysis: Warhead?

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Technically speaking no.But MGS4 is simply alot more intersting to look at than Crysis imo.Like the quote from GB said,there is just so much detail packed into MGS4(little things you might not notice the first time around),it really is very easy on the eye.Crysis Warhead seems dull,bland and unimaginative in comparison.

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This is a sour victory, even if every site claims MGS4 is the 2008 graphics king everyone knows the title belongs to Warhead.

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Because FF7 had a great story and all but I felt it focused way to much on the story. Gameplay wise the game is pretty lame.

JangoWuzHere

Ah, I now see what you mean. Too many cutscenes and such?

Just because there are games that are like that though doesn't mean there shouldn't be more like it. Like I said in an earlier post, there is enough room in the medium for all sorts of games, ones that do have a lot of cutscenes and story, and ones that don't have any at all.

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Crysis Warhead and Gears of war 2 look miles better than MGS4..
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#46 Broman6015
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Has Crysis Warhead won best graphics anywhere yet?
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] you might like NoobToob.com [QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="ronniepage588"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]I never heard of this site....aliblabla2007

well that is truly sad. I pity you. (how do you have THAT many posts on this site, and have no clue what giantbomb.com is?? Jeff Gerstmann rign a bell?

Why should I care about Jeff? I really did not care for him like everyone else did. and the majority of my posts from gamespot have been on individual game boards.

i don't care about him either, just figured you knew him from here like everyone else and knew that he made his own web site. for somebody with that many posts it just seem ridiculous that you never heard of that great site.

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#48 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?Zassimick

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

Well, I think they shouldn't use traditional storytelling techniques to move the story forward. Sure they can strive to have good story telling, I just think it's stupid to mimic another medium to do so. Lets say a video game solely uses cutscenes to tell it's story. How is that even good video game storytelling? It's movie storytelling, not video game storytelling. Another example is Lost Odyssey. Great game. But why were the 1000 years of dreams sequences told like books? Don't tell me they couldn't have portrayed that same emotion through game play. It's lazy.
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#49 Enosh88
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Video games shouldn't be trying to emulate films. Why is he bringing up cinematography?Zassimick

Because MGS4's cinematography is amazing for a video game.

And I think more games should strive to achieve the level of storytelling films have. I'm not saying all games or genres should have this, but there is definitely a place for them. And its the thought that gaming doesn't need this that keeps gaming as an art form and as a hobby from evolving.

Just like the Wii. There is a definite place in gaming for that, and there is no reason why we can't have that and gaming with gamepads or KB/M.

Gaming is such a large medium that there is room for cinematography, motion control, games focused solely on puzzles, adventure titles, even games based entirely around boss battles or leading a woman around a castle.

no, storytelling is fine and nice, but not in te form of hours of cutscenes, if I buy a game I **** actualy want to play it not watch it play by itself, if I want to watch a movie I'll buy a movie.

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#50 ronniepage588
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[QUOTE="dream431ca"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Becuase people know Crysis Warhead has the best graphics. Common sense, really. I'm amazed these review sites lack that.

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Ahh, but Crysis Warhead is different. You see, not everybody can play the game on ultra high, super awesome, destroy all worlds, I almost kicked my mom in the face, graphics. Also, it's just an expansion pack that is not much different from Crysis, it's like a copy and paste job with some new levels. MGS4 is an outstanding techincal achievement for a console game and IMO it deserve the title as best graphics.

Warhead has better graphics period.I will defend MGS IV's presentation to all comers but giving it the best graphics award is pure crap. I say this and I voted for it to be GOTY.

you've been harping on that presentation vs graphics bit for a while now, and nobody is buying it.look dude, nobody cares how amazingly hd all the textures are in crysis wh, or how crazy the draw distance is, or how crazy the amount pixels there are aHH!. if MGS4 had those things top notch too, it would have just been more icing on the cake.