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#1 hreyhreyy2
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Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

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Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

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How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?
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#3 sayonara89
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I dont think anyone said that it will sell better than Halo. And you forgeting about piracy, PS2 was most pirated console.
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#4 hreyhreyy2
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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

agesyrh

How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

Was killzone 1 a AAA? Was it considered the best game on the ENTIRE ps2 library by IGN?

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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

agesyrh
How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

LOL, 0,75m. So I assume my piracy theory is true :)
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#6 St_muscat
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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

agesyrh

How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

Even though I'm sure Killzone 2 sold more with a much smaller install base. The thing is Killzone 2 was bundled and is also a good game, unlike the first. Anyway back to GOW the only reason it didn't sell too well is because it was really late into the PS2 lifespan, Feb 07 I think, back then all the current gen consoles had been released for at 4 months and were starting to take off. That's while its sales were only very good and not amazing.

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#7 agesyrh
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

hreyhreyy2

How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

Was killzone 1 a AAA? Was it considered the best game on the ENTIRE ps2 library by IGN?

Oh so everyone cares about ign's opinion...ok.
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#8 WilliamRLBaker
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yeah i've said this many times, the games on the ps2 didn't sell very well ranging from 1%-9% its insane you'd think these good games would sell more to a 120million user base, the same for the ps3 why aren't the games seller higher?

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#9 2mrw
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pirates say hi, sadly sold pirated games aren't tracked , i would say the game sold at least 5 million if pirated games were included.

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#10 _Pedro_
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Piracy =/= sold copies.
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#11 king_bobo
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yeah i've said this many times, the games on the ps2 didn't sell very well ranging from 1%-9% its insane you'd think these good games would sell more to a 120million user base, the same for the ps3 why aren't the games seller higher?

WilliamRLBaker
This is a very interesting thread - and this is a very good question. Why are PS3 software sales so often significantly lower (taking into account smaller install base)? Will God of War III really sell as well as people are anticipating, considering previous sales relative to install base? I'll be watching this one...
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#12 Caseytappy
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So by that analogy 360 software is slaughtering PS3 software sales , Piracy included !

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#13 aalsheh
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ok, I'm not going to argue that 360 now have better attach rate, cause it does.

not going to argue that people are hyping GoW3, because most of the people who are argueing or hyping it is really the media (reviewers and game websites like this one after seeing the closed demo).

I'm going to argue the 120Mil install base. it was never a 120 mil people that are going to buy games. not even half that. I for one bought 3 PS2s in my time, and none of my friends had just one. I'm sure as hell ain't going to buy 3 games for each PS2.

and yes, pirecy does count. check out how the PC sales are suffering.

and last but not least, get over it guys, unless u work for MS or Sony, wtf do u care aside from enjoying the game or not? heck even some MS people going to buy GoW3

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#14 agesyrh
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Oh and MGS4 sold more than 3 and 3 was better than 4 imo. So your logic is fail, TC.
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#15 shabab12
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So by that analogy 360 software is slaughtering PS3 software sales , Piracy included !

Caseytappy
so?
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Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

hreyhreyy2

Do you have a link stating GoW2 only sold 2.5 mill because I thought it did better then that. But regardless most people that loved GoW already own a PS3 and because it will have cutting edge visuals for its time( say graphics dont matter all you want they help sell games) I think it will probably be the best selling GoW yet.

As far as not bringining anything new im going to have to disagree with you. First of all judging by the demo the pacing was great and take into account the levels acutally move in realtime? No game has done that before.

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MGS4 sales pretty much kill your logic.
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#18 TheSterls
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

St_muscat

How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

Even though I'm sure Killzone 2 sold more with a much smaller install base. The thing is Killzone 2 was bundled and is also a good game, unlike the first. Anyway back to GOW the only reason it didn't sell too well is because it was really late into the PS2 lifespan, Feb 07 I think, back then all the current gen consoles had been released for at 4 months and were starting to take off. That's while its sales were only very good and not amazing.

Thats another reason.

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#19 badtaker
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I dont think anyone said that it will sell better than Halo. And you forgeting about piracy, PS2 was most pirated console.sayonara89
But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)
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#20 agesyrh
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]I dont think anyone said that it will sell better than Halo. And you forgeting about piracy, PS2 was most pirated console.badtaker
But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)

odst is a multiplayer game with single-player, so if you pirate it, you are banned from live and are screwed. PS2 was a single player console, unlike 360. PS2 no one cares about getting banned, in 360 almost everyone does.
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Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

hreyhreyy2

But you haven't really seen people say that though, have you? :P 2.5 million is not "poor" sales either- MGS3 did something like that but MGS4 sold more.

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#22 Malta_1980
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I cannot predict the future but considering the amount of hype there is surrounding GOW3 and if Sony will make a solid marketing/advertising campaign I can easily see GOW3 selling2.5million copies even if PS3's install base is much smaller compared to PS2..

Lets not forget that this time around many cannot pirate the game so if they are huge GOW fans they'll have to buy the original game :)

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#23 danish-death
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I believe this game will sell atleast 2 mil copies, but I got no reasons as to why.
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[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="sayonara89"]I dont think anyone said that it will sell better than Halo. And you forgeting about piracy, PS2 was most pirated console.agesyrh
But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)

odst is a multiplayer game with single-player, so if you pirate it, you are banned from live and are screwed. PS2 was a single player console, unlike 360. PS2 no one cares about getting banned, in 360 almost everyone does.

No excuses and No Crying.Bad sales are Bad :P
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#25 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="badtaker"] But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)badtaker
odst is a multiplayer game with single-player, so if you pirate it, you are banned from live and are screwed. PS2 was a single player console, unlike 360. PS2 no one cares about getting banned, in 360 almost everyone does.

No excuses and No Crying.Bad sales are Bad :P

True but how can we know that GOW sold 2.5 million on an install base of 120 million, and there were another 5 million who got pirate copies ?

WE cannot so only the actual nos for original copies sold can be retreived.. lets wait and see how will sales be for GOW3, but i got a feeling it will most probably match that 2.5 million figure or at least come close to it..

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#26 agesyrh
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[QUOTE="badtaker"][QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="badtaker"] But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)

odst is a multiplayer game with single-player, so if you pirate it, you are banned from live and are screwed. PS2 was a single player console, unlike 360. PS2 no one cares about getting banned, in 360 almost everyone does.

No excuses and No Crying.Bad sales are Bad :P

I agree with you :P I know people that had pirated ps2s, but none of them had a pirated 360, because they didn't want to get banned
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The god of war series has never been a 5 million+ seller like a final fantasy game. In fact, I almost MISSED out on this series. I only picked up the first one late because of the GOTY awards, high reviews, and because the combat looked crazy. Also, I had people who were telling me it was one of the best games they've ever played... That's a pretty bold statement. I didn't usually even buy games like this, but I dove in and took a chance. I'm glad I did.

Anyways, I'm pretty sure though that this game will sell more on the PS3 due to more interest, hype, much MORE advertising, and it will be epic beyond proportions. You have to understand if a action hack n' slash like this game is able to pull off 4mil+ that's actually very good sales. A God of War is really the only hack n' slash that could pull off crazy sales.

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1- The PS2 had a huge library of games ( over 3000 games), add to that the huge userbase ( over 120M ) making it hard for people to be aware about or to choose all the games in such a huge library.

2- The PS2 was pirate friendly.

3- The overall general awareness of videogames releases was not as strong as this generation, thanks to XBL and PSN , most gamers these days have an internet connection that helps them be accessible to the gaming sources or/and friends online that provide helpful information.

4- Most of GOW1 and GOW2 sales were only from the US which was around 2.3m copies sold and in EU the game sold only around 150k-200k, expect huge sales from the EU crowd this time around on top of the potentially bigger sales from US.

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#29 mD-
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You know what, quote me right now: God of War III will easily have better sales than God of War I and God War II.

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#30 double_heist
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You do know PS2 is one of the most pirated consoles. 2.5m is pretty damn good already.
[QUOTE="sayonara89"]I dont think anyone said that it will sell better than Halo. And you forgeting about piracy, PS2 was most pirated console.badtaker
But 360 also has piracy and Halo Odst sold almost 3- 4 millions (i don't know exact sales fig)

AFAIK, the Xbox 360 is the 3rd to the lowest selling console that has piracy (lowest being DC, followed by Xbox, then this).
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#31 AzatiS
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Yeah right....

So by your logic Wii FiT >> GoW2 because it sold some millions more... OR it deserve a 10!!?

Come on now....What logic is this?!

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#32 Eddie-Vedder
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This place is so boring cause of the constant sales talk. Game no longer hold any weigh here, it either sells, or it sucks.

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#33 h575309
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The game could sell 10 million copies and still not affect the success of the 360 or Wii. You really shouldnt take SW posts so seriously. I would expect realistic sales around the numbers of MGS4 though.

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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

agesyrh
There was a massive difference in game quality between Killzone 1 and 2.
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#35 jg4xchamp
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100 million is not a core gamer audience. 100 million people is far more diverse in taste than what the PS3s userbase is. The PS3 has a userbase that will pick up God of War 3. I would bet God of War 3 can at the least hit 3 million by the end of this year. 1- IT will get great reviews 2- IT is a memorable franchise from last gen 3- Sony will market this
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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

1) There were a ton more exclusives for the PS2 back then (3rd party and 1st party). So more games to choose from than you have right now. 2) As you said this is the most hyped game for the console, GOW2 was not. 3) GOW2 came out in 2007, X360 was in its second year, PS3 in its first, and Wii in its first. The game was not hyped because it was considered a last gen game. I would expect this game to sale over 3 million based on the fact it's the most hyped game for the PS3 and makes it's first release on the PS3. The comments that it will destory MS and X360 is jsut fanboy stuff however it will once again highlight the fact PS3 is getting better exclusives right now than X360 or Wii for that matter.
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#37 rp108
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Yeah right....

So by your logic Wii FiT >> GoW2 because it sold some millions more... OR it deserve a 10!!?

Come on now....What logic is this?!

AzatiS

But did Wii fanatics start ridiculous threads stating that Wii Fit will slaughter Xbox 360 and Microsoft will be "finished"? No, because it's absurd yet it still doesn't stop rabid PS3 fanboys from doing it.

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I don't care about sales, I care about quality games. I don't have stock in Sony.
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[QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

Floppy_Jim

But you haven't really seen people say that though, have you? :P 2.5 million is not "poor" sales either- MGS3 did something like that but MGS4 sold more.

He is going to ignore this because it doesn't fit with his argument.

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#40 pitty8982
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it's because the real world prefers games like Gran Turismo to games like GOW.
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#41 Yandere
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The majority of people that had a PS2 used it for a DVD player.

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#42 MrJack3690
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I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

hreyhreyy2

LOL God of War 3 @ 9.0 an overshot? I highly doubt that, I guarantee it's 9 or more, but I'm going to guess 9.5. 9 is definitely not an overshot. Especially seeing that ODST (not trying to bash it thought it was great) got a 9, and you can really consider it an expansion to 3 that didn't really bring anything new. But hey it didn't have to, if it's not broken...don't fix it. Just like Modern Warfare 2, it's nothing new from the first, but it's just a solid game that simply works.

Anyways, I can't wait for it because I want to see how the everything works out in the end. That's what GOW did for me was the amazing story and how it uncovered it as you progress. GOW2's story wasn't quite as good (because you already learned about Kratos's past in the first) but it's gameplay (IMO) was more solid than 1.

I have a feeling that 1 and 3 will be the best of the series, and 3 has potential of being the best. So I almost guarantee 9.0 +

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GoW is a phenomenal series - truly enjoyable and well crafted experiences. I was happy to know GoW2 sold well, and I'm expecting GoW3 to do even better.

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#44 Chrome-
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"]Oh and MGS4 sold more than 3 and 3 was better than 4 imo. So your logic is fail, TC.

But MGS2 sold way more than 3 and 4 :/
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#45 Kashiwaba
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MGS4 sold more than MGS3 ==; dunno why TC keeps ignoring people who post this its just an obvious troll.

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#46 agesyrh
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[QUOTE="Chrome-"][QUOTE="agesyrh"]Oh and MGS4 sold more than 3 and 3 was better than 4 imo. So your logic is fail, TC.

But MGS2 sold way more than 3 and 4 :/

Was it a ps2 exclusive?
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#47 toxicmog
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="hreyhreyy2"]

Why are cows hyping this as the end of the 360? The second game sold 2.5 millino copies with over 100 million base...

Now dotn get me wrong I LOVED the first GOW, but the second was way too similar adn couldnt finish it. Now everyone knows why Zelda TP got a 8.8 right? It was the best in the series but brought absolutly nothing new to the table. How is that different than GOW3? I feel the highest this game can get ( and this is a over shot really ) is 9.0.

Even than with the first 2 getting such good reviews it sold so poorly I dont see how any cow can say it will "destroy " microsoft and stuff like that.

St_muscat

How much did the first killzone sell in the ps2 and killzone 2 in the ps3?

Even though I'm sure Killzone 2 sold more with a much smaller install base. The thing is Killzone 2 was bundled and is also a good game, unlike the first. Anyway back to GOW the only reason it didn't sell too well is because it was really late into the PS2 lifespan, Feb 07 I think, back then all the current gen consoles had been released for at 4 months and were starting to take off. That's while its sales were only very good and not amazing.

eh? God of War the original came out in 05 or 06! God of War 2 arrived when the Xbox 360 was around, along with the PS3.
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[QUOTE="agesyrh"][QUOTE="Chrome-"][QUOTE="agesyrh"]Oh and MGS4 sold more than 3 and 3 was better than 4 imo. So your logic is fail, TC.

But MGS2 sold way more than 3 and 4 :/

Was it a ps2 exclusive?

It got an Xbox version later but bombed on it
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Theres a lot of things to take in to account, at the time the ps2 probably had near 1000 titles, but on the other hand, when killzone 2 came out, and MGS4, there was no killer apps, in a way people had to buy them, just as with motorstorm 1 and resistance fom, they were the only games availible. But im going to agree with TC, The ps3 already has hack n slash games, such as ninja gaiden, DMC4 and bayonetta, so i cant see why god of war 3 sales will e so big, unless they bundle it with every console
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#50 double_heist
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MGS4 sold more than MGS3 ==; dunno why TC keeps ignoring people who post this its just an obvious troll.

Kashiwaba
How much did MGS4 and MGS3 sell? From VGChartz (lulz), they said MGS4 sold 5m