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#1 Furzjodler
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The guys at machinima just posted this gameplay comparison video, its better then comparing screen shots all the time so i wanted to share it with you guys in SW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DFBg8jz5Mw

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real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

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real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|killa4lyfe

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

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#4 sayonara89
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|3sFan

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

LOL, but no one have the retail version, am I right?

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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|3sFan

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

okay then i am guessing that the demo shows the absolute latest of the dev code right?:|
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#6 awdxfv
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Great a thread comparing a game already released vs a game not yet released...*leaves thread*
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|3sFan

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

the demo was only 200mb. its either a old build or a tech demo for the driving physics
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#8 3sFan
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[QUOTE="3sFan"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|toast_burner

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

the demo was only 200mb. its either a old build or a tech demo for the driving physics

I doubt it will look much better if at all better because theres up to 16 cars at once and damage to consider + weather in some tracks. It can't look that much better.

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#9 W1NGMAN-
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"Damage seems to be turned off" ... no kidding :|

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#10 deactivated-5c009341336cd
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well gt5 has had more dev time then both forza 2 and forza 3 combined so i think its fare to compare and in my opinion the gfx from that video for gt5 look a lil worse than forza 2 from outside the car,

gt5 has nice cockpits though

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#11 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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well gt5 has had more dev time then both forza 2 and forza 3 combined so i think its fare to compare and in my opinion the gfx from that video for gt5 look a lil worse than forza 2

tmgwarrior72

the demo (if you would even call it that)is not a representation of the final game

remember the motorstorm 2 demo and how that turned out?

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#12 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="tmgwarrior72"]

well gt5 has had more dev time then both forza 2 and forza 3 combined so i think its fare to compare and in my opinion the gfx from that video for gt5 look a lil worse than forza 2

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the demo (if you would even call it that)is not a representation of the final game

remember the motorstorm 2 demo and how that turned out?

This is true, the Motorstorm 2 Demo looked pretty meh but when I went over to my friends house to play the retail version I was shocked at how good it looked.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

sayonara89

What am I supposed to see at 0:55 ?

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real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

killa4lyfe

and is it fair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

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#15 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

PAL360

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

PAL360

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

Isn't it unfair to compare a game developed in a hard system like the ps3, instead of the easy 360 ?
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

awdxfv

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

Isn't it unfair to compare a game developed in a hard system like the ps3, instead of the easy 360 ?

Is it fair to graphically compare a game developed for Xbox1.5 to a game developed for super powerfull teh cell?

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#18 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

W1NGMAN-

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

Well, it happens to every sequel (Gears2, Uncharted2, Mass Effect 2, etc...)

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#19 sayonara89
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

AdobeArtist

What am I supposed to see at 0:55 ?

This nice looking detail? :P

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[QUOTE="awdxfv"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

PAL360

Isn't it unfair to compare a game developed in a hard system like the ps3, instead of the easy 360 ?

Is it fair to graphically compare a game developed for Xbox1.5 to a game developed for super powerfull teh cell?

Xbox 1.5?!?! No need to hate on 360, i am telling...*calls my mommy*
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#21 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="awdxfv"] Isn't it unfair to compare a game developed in a hard system like the ps3, instead of the easy 360 ?awdxfv

Is it fair to graphically compare a game developed for Xbox1.5 to a game developed for super powerfull teh cell?

Xbox 1.5?!?! No need to hate on 360, i am telling...*calls my mommy*

Sarcasm man...;)

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#22 sayonara89
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[QUOTE="awdxfv"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

PAL360

Isn't it unfair to compare a game developed in a hard system like the ps3, instead of the easy 360 ?

Is it fair to graphically compare a game developed for Xbox1.5 to a game developed for super powerfull teh cell?

They created game engine in 2007 (Prologue) (Forza 2 was released in 2007 too), since than they just upgrading it (damage, weather/nigh, new physics ect.) just like T10 did with F2 engine.
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

PAL360

and is it fair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

That game developed in two years was made by a team of 300 using an already existing engine while the game that is taking five years to develop had a team of, as of recently, 150 people and is built on a new engine.
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

W1NGMAN-

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

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#25 sayonara89
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

MadVybz

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

Nope, http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6082.html
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#26 MadVybz
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[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

sayonara89

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

Nope, http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6082.html

Well, looks like I learn something new every day.

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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|3sFan

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

Almost done isn't done. Oh wait, you're the one who think FM3 is the best racing sim ever :roll:

Edit: Glad to see people here finally acknowledge how GT5 is using a new engine while FM3 is an updated one.

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#28 MadVybz
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[QUOTE="3sFan"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|tirralirra

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

Almost done isn't done. Oh wait, you're the one who think FM3 is the best racing sim ever :roll:

Edit: Glad to see people here finally acknowledge how GT5 is using a new engine while FM3 is an updated one.

And? At the moment, FM is a AAA franchise, while GT is AA. Until we actually see how it goes when GT5 comes out, just using a new engine isn't really proving anything.

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#29 tirralirra
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[QUOTE="tirralirra"]

[QUOTE="3sFan"]

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

MadVybz

Almost done isn't done. Oh wait, you're the one who think FM3 is the best racing sim ever :roll:

Edit: Glad to see people here finally acknowledge how GT5 is using a new engine while FM3 is an updated one.

And? At the moment, FM is a AAA franchise, while GT is AA. Until we actually see how it goes when GT5 comes out, just using a new engine isn't really proving anything.

What? I don't understand how that is a response to my post. Did my post suggest that FM is a bad franchise? Besides, comparisons between GT and FM can only be made with GT3/4 with FM1 so all the comparions people make are completely nullified by this fact unless they're gt3/4 fm1 comparisons
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

real smart to compare a released game to one that isnt finished ....:|

PAL360

and is it fair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

No. That was a demo for just phsyics. 200MB demo = Retail version? :|

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[QUOTE="3sFan"]

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]real smart to compare an already out game to one that isnt finished ....:|killa4lyfe

If GT5 is coming out in March that means its almost done.

okay then i am guessing that the demo shows the absolute latest of the dev code right?:|

These demos are separate mini-projects that use older game code. This is about as close as it's going to get to the final version before the game hits the shelves in Japan.
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

MadVybz

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

Nope, one of the main reasons why this is a 5-year development cycle. The code form GT4 was completely scrapped and they made a new game engine from scratch.
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#33 Stats_
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The fella driving is just bouncing of the sides ... :|

I hope the bumper car physics are fixed come release.

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The fella driving is just bouncing of the sides ... :|

I hope the bumper car physics are fixed come release.

Stats_

Damage is implemented.

a new engine should mean more punishing mistakes, hopefully. One thing I really like in FM3 is the stick tarmac when you run off the track too much. Something Im sure PD will be employing.

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#35 Stats_
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[QUOTE="Stats_"]

The fella driving is just bouncing of the sides ... :|

I hope the bumper car physics are fixed come release.

tirralirra

Damage is implemented.

a new engine should mean more punishing mistakes, hopefully. One thing I really like in FM3 is the stick tarmac when you run off the track too much. Something Im sure PD will be employing.

I'd prefer more of a speed reduction, in addition to damage. The guy was literally sliding into the wall to get ahead and his speed was never reduced by anything similar to what would happen in real life.

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#36 tirralirra
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[QUOTE="tirralirra"]

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

The fella driving is just bouncing of the sides ... :|

I hope the bumper car physics are fixed come release.

Stats_

Damage is implemented.

a new engine should mean more punishing mistakes, hopefully. One thing I really like in FM3 is the stick tarmac when you run off the track too much. Something Im sure PD will be employing.

I'd prefer more of a speed reduction, in addition to damage. The guy was literally sliding into the wall to get ahead and his speed was never reduced by anything similar to what would happen in real life.

Yes, reduction in speed is also a punishment. Personally, I'd like to see cars slide out of control after even a little crash at high speed.
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

AdobeArtist

What am I supposed to see at 0:55 ?

the damage on the trunk of the mercedes....its opening and closing and crushed in a little....
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

and isnt unfair to compare a game developed in 2 years to one developed in 5?

MadVybz

You can't possibly believe Turn 10 started from scratch when developing FM3 ... FM2 was in place and it's obvious they built on from that.

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

hahaha what Dev this gen has taken last gens game and used the same code...god i hope u were joking
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

stereointegrity

What am I supposed to see at 0:55 ?

the damage on the trunk of the mercedes....its opening and closing and crushed in a little....

Correction, it's the spoiler on the SLS-AMG that retracts and goes out depending on your speed.
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

And GT5 wasn't built on from GT4? :|

MadVybz

Nope, http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6082.html

Well, looks like I learn something new every day.

Looks like you got owned, lol.

On topic: GT5 definitely wins in graphics, it's not even close. Gameplay on the other hand...

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yuck, that's not really machinima. that's some forza fanboy. look at his video series...all forza vids. wtf.

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#42 Afrikanxl
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both systems set to 720p?....both games using component cables?

If they did not want to run GT5 in 1080p......at least run both games in 720p using HDMI cables...what do they have the oooold 360 skus or something...

also, does setting RGB to full for the PS3 EVEN make a difference if you are using component cables...I thought you needed to use HDMI for it to show a difference....heck it says RGB Full RANGE (HDMI) in the dang settings section....who are they trying to fool.:|

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#43 Revolution316
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wow, i knew forza games had a cartoony look to them but side by side with GT5 they look real bad. (car model). is this artistic style done on purpose or what? because i want the cars to have a medal look to it not plastic

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#44 tirralirra
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[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"] Nope, http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6082.htmlRawDeal_basic

Well, looks like I learn something new every day.

Looks like you got owned, lol.

On topic: GT5 definitely wins in graphics, it's not even close. Gameplay on the other hand...

You've seen graphics on an unfinished product so yes, you can make graphical projections. Gameplay...unfinished and new engine. Something very few people have had the privilege of testing. Please consider what you want to say before saying it next time.
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#45 Furzjodler
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both systems set to 720p?....both games using component cables?

If they did not want to run GT5 in 1080p......at least run both games in 720p using HDMI cables...what do they have the oooold 360 skus or something...

also, does setting RGB to full for the PS3 EVEN make a difference if you are using component cables...I thought you needed to use HDMI for it to show a difference....heck it says RGB Full RANGE (HDMI) in the dang settings section....who are they trying to fool.:|

Afrikanxl

Well if both are set to 720p and via component cables its pretty fair isn't it? And the GT5 demo doesn't even run in native 1080p anyway. (Or does it? I'm not entirely sure.)

Anyway i'm gonna get GT5 when it comes out and i already own and loved FM3, i just posted this because i thought people in SW might be interested in this. Its still much better then comparing photos from photomode.

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#46 Furzjodler
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yuck, that's not really machinima. that's some forza fanboy. look at his video series...all forza vids. wtf.

roddollente

Its Machinima, their new channel Machinimarespawn which is mainly for Gameplay videos. The videos in the related box are just a small suggestion of similar videos by them, they don't have any other GT5 videos (I think) thats why it only shows FM3 yet.

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[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

both systems set to 720p?....both games using component cables?

If they did not want to run GT5 in 1080p......at least run both games in 720p using HDMI cables...what do they have the oooold 360 skus or something...

also, does setting RGB to full for the PS3 EVEN make a difference if you are using component cables...I thought you needed to use HDMI for it to show a difference....heck it says RGB Full RANGE (HDMI) in the dang settings section....who are they trying to fool.:|

Furzjodler

Well if both are set to 720p and via component cables its pretty fair isn't it? And the GT5 demo doesn't even run in native 1080p anyway. (Or does it? I'm not entirely sure.)

Anyway i'm gonna get GT5 when it comes out and i already own and loved FM3, i just posted this because i thought people in SW might be interested in this. Its still much better then comparing photos from photomode.

yeah, but by using component cables, it doesn't matter if the RGB Range is set to Full....so I was wondering why they would mention that...it is like they did not even go to the display settings menu in the XMB to set it to Full at ALL....I wonder what else they didn't do correctly....maybe it's in 480i :lol:

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#48 dk00111
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[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="sayonara89"] Nope, http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/6082.htmlRawDeal_basic

Well, looks like I learn something new every day.

Looks like you got owned, lol.

On topic: GT5 definitely wins in graphics, it's not even close. Gameplay on the other hand...

I actually commend MadVybz for admitting his mistake. Not alota people have the balls to do that these days.
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#49 dk00111
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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29SJlorlbI&feature=player_embedded

Look at 0:55 :P

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What am I supposed to see at 0:55 ?

the damage on the trunk of the mercedes....its opening and closing and crushed in a little....

Actually, I think that's the spoiler popping up to help stop the car. It's a feature on the SLR, and I'm surprised that they went into that level of detail with some of these cars...
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[QUOTE="Furzjodler"]

[QUOTE="Afrikanxl"]

both systems set to 720p?....both games using component cables?

If they did not want to run GT5 in 1080p......at least run both games in 720p using HDMI cables...what do they have the oooold 360 skus or something...

also, does setting RGB to full for the PS3 EVEN make a difference if you are using component cables...I thought you needed to use HDMI for it to show a difference....heck it says RGB Full RANGE (HDMI) in the dang settings section....who are they trying to fool.:|

Afrikanxl

Well if both are set to 720p and via component cables its pretty fair isn't it? And the GT5 demo doesn't even run in native 1080p anyway. (Or does it? I'm not entirely sure.)

Anyway i'm gonna get GT5 when it comes out and i already own and loved FM3, i just posted this because i thought people in SW might be interested in this. Its still much better then comparing photos from photomode.

yeah, but by using component cables, it doesn't matter if the RGB Range is set to Full....so I was wondering why they would mention that...it is like they did not even go to the display settings menu in the XMB to set it to Full at ALL....I wonder what else they didn't do correctly....maybe it's in 480i :lol:

Maybe because people brought it up all the time in graphic comparisons? lol I think you can still set them to full even if you're on components...

And the video is in 720p for sure, or otherwise the HD option wouldn't be there.