Graphics for 360 in first two years compared to PS3 in first

Hey folks,

Before you throw stones at me and categorize me as a fanboy, please read. I am an owner of PS3, 360, PC and plan on getting a Wii. I love the 360 and cannot wait for such games as Mass Effect, Halo 3, Too Human, etc. . . Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year. While Gears of War was simply astounding, as was Kameo, GRAW and Oblivion, for some reason I am just more impressed by the graphics of the PS3 after year one. How will these PS3 games be when it comes to game play? We don't know just yet so it wouldn't be fair to compare that category with the 360 games listed since they were fabulous. However, when it comes to graphics, the PS3 is definitely proving itself as leading the way in my humble opinion.

Thanks for your time.

Alan

Manning, thats a good point. Yet, it still took each company just as long to get to know the PS3 and how to use it so I wouldn't say that they had an extra year. Also, if the 360 came out a year earlier, then each system had just as much time for the creators of the game to work with. Also, I can argue that since the PS3 came out a year later than it will automatically have greater visuals since the technology is one year newer. Does that not still give the edge to the PS3 in terms of visuals??

ALan

Wow, this topic is intelligent! Do want!

I agree with Scoob on that point.

Everything he said is true, plus! the 360's GPU is stronger... And the PS3 is harder to develope for!

Most of the PS3 games have been in development as long or longer than some of the 360 games though, not to mention the fact that the PS3 games are coming out more or less at least 1 year after the 360 games you've mentioned. Its not a cut and dry comparison where if the PS3's year1 games look better than the 360's year 1 games the PS3 will have the better graphics. The whole "the game is from console yearX so the graphics are Z" arguement only works for launch and near launch titles, which usually suck because of the lack of knowledge and experience on the console and because they are usually ported. Plain and simple, a year 1 360 game and a year 1 PS3 game aren't comparable simply based on when the game came out in releation to the age of the console. You should be comparing PS3 games and 360 games that are coming out at the same time, so compare Too Human to Heavenly Sword or Halo 3 to Killzone, not 360 launch titles like Kameo to the newest PS3 games.

Most of the PS3 games have been in development as long or longer than some of the 360 games though, not to mention the fact that the PS3 games are coming out more or less at least 1 year after the 360 games you've mentioned. Its not a cut and dry comparison where if the PS3's year1 games look better than the 360's year 1 games the PS3 will have the better graphics. The whole "the game is from console yearX so the graphics are Z" arguement only works for launch and near launch titles, which usually suck because of the lack of knowledge and experience on the console and because they are usually ported. Plain and simple, a year 1 360 game and a year 1 PS3 game aren't comparable simply based on when the game came out in releation to the age of the console. You should be comparing PS3 games and 360 games that are coming out at the same time, so compare Too Human to Heavenly Sword or Halo 3 to Killzone, not 360 launch titles like Kameo to the newest PS3 games.

PBSnipes

Fair point. I guess I just am truly amazed at the visuals for the games coming out on the PS3 in the next few months. I am just as impressed with Heavenly Sword and Ratchet as I am with Mass Effect and for me, having to wait almost two years for Mass after the introduction of the 360 to less than a year for Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Ratchet on the PS3 is suprising.

Alan

Hey folks,

Before you throw stones at me and categorize me as a fanboy, please read. I am an owner of PS3, 360, PC and plan on getting a Wii. I love the 360 and cannot wait for such games as Mass Effect, Halo 3, Too Human, etc. . . Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year.

scoobiesnackarf

Most of the PS3 games have been in development as long or longer than some of the 360 games though, not to mention the fact that the PS3 games are coming out more or less at least 1 year after the 360 games you've mentioned. Its not a cut and dry comparison where if the PS3's year1 games look better than the 360's year 1 games the PS3 will have the better graphics. The whole "the game is from console yearX so the graphics are Z" arguement only works for launch and near launch titles, which usually suck because of the lack of knowledge and experience on the console and because they are usually ported. Plain and simple, a year 1 360 game and a year 1 PS3 game aren't comparable simply based on when the game came out in releation to the age of the console. You should be comparing PS3 games and 360 games that are coming out at the same time, so compare Too Human to Heavenly Sword or Halo 3 to Killzone, not 360 launch titles like Kameo to the newest PS3 games.

PBSnipes

I agree with this point. Right now, the benchmark should be current games (not to say that PS3 doesn't have what it takes). I hardly doubt consumers think about how the competition looked like a year ago when cross-comparing two consoles.

You can compare them sure, but i've also noticed that all of the games you mentioned for the PS3 haven't been released yet. But things will change in a few months time, but as it stands, an objective comparison seems lopsided.

Yeah 360 has been out a year longer and is much easier to fully exploit. It's almost the same as last gen Dreamcast vs. PS2 (although the difference is less). Dreamcast games looked better and cleaner than PS2 games until those year one games like MGS2, GTA3, FFX just blew it away. I don't see PS3 as any different from 2 in that regard. Visuals will keep getting better by leaps and bounds each year until the next system. Despite your personal preferences PS3 games this fall are just more technically impressive than 360's exclusives. Next year will be an even bigger gap with better games.

Imo it's a huge shame there are 2 powerful systems right now especially with such vastly different hardware architechture. So many games are going multiplat and every one is held back and limited by being on both systems.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Most of the PS3 games have been in development as long or longer than some of the 360 games though, not to mention the fact that the PS3 games are coming out more or less at least 1 year after the 360 games you've mentioned. Its not a cut and dry comparison where if the PS3's year1 games look better than the 360's year 1 games the PS3 will have the better graphics. The whole "the game is from console yearX so the graphics are Z" arguement only works for launch and near launch titles, which usually suck because of the lack of knowledge and experience on the console and because they are usually ported. Plain and simple, a year 1 360 game and a year 1 PS3 game aren't comparable simply based on when the game came out in releation to the age of the console. You should be comparing PS3 games and 360 games that are coming out at the same time, so compare Too Human to Heavenly Sword or Halo 3 to Killzone, not 360 launch titles like Kameo to the newest PS3 games.

scoobiesnackarf

Fair point. I guess I just am truly amazed at the visuals for the games coming out on the PS3 in the next few months. I am just as impressed with Heavenly Sword and Ratchet as I am with Mass Effect and for me, having to wait almost two years for Mass after the introduction of the 360 to less than a year for Heavenly Sword, Lair, and Ratchet on the PS3 is suprising.

Alan

Another thing you have to remember is that from a hardware standpoint the 360 and PS3 are very similar. You can argue until you're blue in the face as to how powerful the Cell is but the 360 and PS3 have comparable GPUs and RAM. Once someone figures out how to program the damn thing the Cell may be the greatestinvention since sliced bread but until that point there is very little difference between the consoles. Even if the PS3's graphics are/will be better than the 360's, they won't be by much.

Finally there's the developer aspect. Certain technologies take time to get used to and go in and out of vogue. Technologies (for lack of a better term)like bloom and HDR lighting, as well as developing for the next gen systems take time to learn, so many developers working on PS3 games are learning from the mistakes either they or their peers made on the 360. The consoles are similar enough that developers should be able to take some of the ideas and processes learned from developing for one console and use them for developing on the other.

The PS3 released one year later. Meaning it's first year games will have one year's worth of graphical advancement to work with. manningbowl135

Yea that's because you think that PS3 dev kits were readily available. PS3 was delayed because there wasn't even enough parts to make enough dev kits to go around, that's one reason why there were so little games and devs had so little time to make their games good which is why alot of them got delayed till this day. Onlylately are they starting to learn about how to use it better.

No console game is better than Viva Pinata, graphically.

Not MGS4, KZ2, Gears of War, Halo 3 or Mass Effect.

Hey folks,

Before you throw stones at me and categorize me as a fanboy, please read. I am an owner of PS3, 360, PC and plan on getting a Wii. I love the 360 and cannot wait for such games as Mass Effect, Halo 3, Too Human, etc. . . Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year. While Gears of War was simply astounding, as was Kameo, GRAW and Oblivion, for some reason I am just more impressed by the graphics of the PS3 after year one. How will these PS3 games be when it comes to game play? We don't know just yet so it wouldn't be fair to compare that category with the 360 games listed since they were fabulous. However, when it comes to graphics, the PS3 is definitely proving itself as leading the way in my humble opinion.

Thanks for your time.

Alan

scoobiesnackarf

how many times must we go through this. those games are not out yet and therefore do NOT have better graphics as they are not the finished product and cannot be compared to games that have been out for around or over a year! so as of now 360>ps3

thanks for your time

No console game is better than Viva Pinata, graphically.

Not MGS4, KZ2, Gears of War, Halo 3 or Mass Effect.

MrGrimFandango

i own viva pinata and it is my favourite game on the 360 but it doesnt have the best graphics. great artstyle however

Hey folks,

Before you throw stones at me and categorize me as a fanboy, please read. I am an owner of PS3, 360, PC and plan on getting a Wii. I love the 360 and cannot wait for such games as Mass Effect, Halo 3, Too Human, etc. . . Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year. While Gears of War was simply astounding, as was Kameo, GRAW and Oblivion, for some reason I am just more impressed by the graphics of the PS3 after year one. How will these PS3 games be when it comes to game play? We don't know just yet so it wouldn't be fair to compare that category with the 360 games listed since they were fabulous. However, when it comes to graphics, the PS3 is definitely proving itself as leading the way in my humble opinion.

Thanks for your time.

Alan

scoobiesnackarf

MGS isn't due until the PS3's second year. You should compare the 360 and PS3 games as if both systems came out at the same time, because that's what they're up against, I'm looking to the next few months as a gamer, not 2008.

The PS3 released one year later. Meaning it's first year games will have one year's worth of graphical advancement to work with. manningbowl135

[QUOTE="scoobiesnackarf"]

Hey folks,

Before you throw stones at me and categorize me as a fanboy, please read. I am an owner of PS3, 360, PC and plan on getting a Wii. I love the 360 and cannot wait for such games as Mass Effect, Halo 3, Too Human, etc. . . Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year. While Gears of War was simply astounding, as was Kameo, GRAW and Oblivion, for some reason I am just more impressed by the graphics of the PS3 after year one. How will these PS3 games be when it comes to game play? We don't know just yet so it wouldn't be fair to compare that category with the 360 games listed since they were fabulous. However, when it comes to graphics, the PS3 is definitely proving itself as leading the way in my humble opinion.

Thanks for your time.

Alan

braydee1234

MGS isn't due until the PS3's second year. You should compare the 360 and PS3 games as if both systems came out at the same time, because that's what they're up against, I'm looking to the next few months as a gamer, not 2008.

UT 3, HAZE, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Lair, Uncharted and Jak and Daxter>>>Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock and PGR 4

Yet, I am sitting here having viewed the MGSIV trailer, and obviously other trailers like Heavenly Sword, Drakes Fortune, Ratchet Clank, Killzone 2, and Lair and am extremely impressed of the visuals that the PS3 is putting out in it's first year. scoobiesnackarf

The key word there is trailers. Wait and see what the finished product looks like during gameplay before comparing games. They might look better, or they might look worse. I remember being really impressed by Motorstorm trailers and then I actually played the game...

No console game is better than Viva Pinata, graphically.

Not MGS4, KZ2, Gears of War, Halo 3 or Mass Effect.

MrGrimFandango

GRAW on 360 looks better than anything on the ps3 out now or for a couple of yearstaikthebate

You cant compare a games from 2005(Kameo,PDZ) to games in 2007/08(MGS 4,Heavenly sword)

Most PS3 exclusives do look eyecatching, but its because they've had ALOT of dev time.Remeber MGS4 was orignally gonna be released in 2007 and Heavenly Sword and Warhawk were launch titles.

You can, but you'll have a harder time arguing that 360s first year graphics were worse than PS3's first year graphics when taken time into account. Besides, the main reason PS3 cost so much is b/c it has better hardware. I mean 360 makes $75 off of each 360 and the 120 GB is $500. The PS3 loses $100 in each console and the 80 GB is $600. The games should look better on the PS3 b/c it has better hardware. manningbowl135

Were did u get the $75 on Every Xbox console ?

Btw, PS3 used to Lose $200 on every Console, but now its Making $25. Dont ask me how, it was all over the sites :)

The PS3 has the Cell which is better and its the Reason that Most PS3 Exclusive games are looking Allot better than what the Xbox Exclusives can offer :)

The Cell was Underestimated

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[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]The PS3 released one year later. Meaning it's first year games will have one year's worth of graphical advancement to work with. Anoch20

Yea that's because you think that PS3 dev kits were readily available. PS3 was delayed because there wasn't even enough parts to make enough dev kits to go around, that's one reason why there were so little games and devs had so little time to make their games good which is why alot of them got delayed till this day. Onlylately are they starting to learn about how to use it better.

Yep, this myth that everyone was able to work on Ps3 games for a year before it released is wrong. Dev kits were delayed. It's still Sony's fault but people need to understand Sony has made leaps and bounds in a short amount of time. Problem is they have basically had no software the past 8 monthswith the most expensive hardware. Not a good combination.

[QUOTE="manningbowl135"]You can, but you'll have a harder time arguing that 360s first year graphics were worse than PS3's first year graphics when taken time into account. Besides, the main reason PS3 cost so much is b/c it has better hardware. I mean 360 makes $75 off of each 360 and the 120 GB is $500. The PS3 loses $100 in each console and the 80 GB is $600. The games should look better on the PS3 b/c it has better hardware. naughtydog360

Were did u get the $75 on Every Xbox console ?

Btw, PS3 used to Lose $200 on every Console, but now its Making $25. Dont ask me how, it was all over the sites :)

The PS3 has the Cell which is better and its the Reason that Most PS3 Exclusive games are looking Allot better than what the Xbox Exclusives can offer :)

The Cell was Underestimated

Cheaper Blu-Ray technlology, removal of the PS2 chipset will save you a lot of money.

People who think MS is making money off their X360 hardware is funny.....analysts have stated recently that they think they are now actually losing more money than PS3 with this new hardware problem (warranty). Of course it doesn't matter as long as the hardware sells......which is a problem for X360 right now since it doesn't seem to be selling very well.

What do lemmings say when the PS3 games are better looking (graphics) than 360?

Lemmings: Its all about gameplay

Lemmings: Crappy dev, lazy developers!

Lemmings: cause that game has longer development time (does that mean games on 360 were rushed?)

To be honest, I'm not wowed by the PS3 like I was the PS2. The 360 beat me to it. And I hate to use the "gears still looks better" arguement... but it's damn true.

And for such things like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, that game looks almost no better than it did on the original Xbox. The game is still full of jaggies even in 1080p with HDMI.

I guess graphics are very subjective, but I can't agree that the PS3 impressed me as much as the 360 has in terms of graphics. Hopefully with Heavenly Sword it might become a closer race.

The PS3 released one year later. Meaning it's first year games will have one year's worth of graphical advancement to work with. manningbowl135

I couldnt have said it better myself.

To be honest, I'm not wowed by the PS3 like I was the PS2. The 360 beat me to it. And I hate to use the "gears still looks better" arguement... but it's damn true.

And for such things like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, that game looks almost no better than it did on the original Xbox. The game is still full of jaggies even in 1080p with HDMI.

I guess graphics are very subjective, but I can't agree that the PS3 impressed me as much as the 360 has in terms of graphics. Hopefully with Heavenly Sword it might become a closer race.

SemiMaster

But gears only looks good because Epic held tech from other devs, they are being sued for it. Any way UT3 looks better so ha. And no PS3 game out yet uses the Edge tools that make Killzone rock.

[QUOTE="SemiMaster"]

To be honest, I'm not wowed by the PS3 like I was the PS2. The 360 beat me to it. And I hate to use the "gears still looks better" arguement... but it's damn true.

And for such things like Ninja Gaiden Sigma, that game looks almost no better than it did on the original Xbox. The game is still full of jaggies even in 1080p with HDMI.

I guess graphics are very subjective, but I can't agree that the PS3 impressed me as much as the 360 has in terms of graphics. Hopefully with Heavenly Sword it might become a closer race.

killzowned24

But gears only looks good because Epic held tech from other devs, they are being sued for it. Any way UT3 looks better so ha. And no PS3 game out yet uses the Edge tools that make Killzone rock.

I'm really not going to take your comments seriously with a screename like that...

Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.mikasa

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.scorpionn87

[QUOTE="scorpionn87"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.papa_smurf_23

[QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"][QUOTE="scorpionn87"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.Drakier

What do lemmings say when the PS3 games are better looking (graphics) than 360?

Lemmings: Its all about gameplay

Lemmings: Crappy dev, lazy developers!

Lemmings: cause that game has longer development time (does that mean games on 360 were rushed?)

def_mode

sorry, it's the other way around :shock:

[QUOTE="Drakier"][QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"][QUOTE="scorpionn87"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.papa_smurf_23

[QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"][QUOTE="Drakier"][QUOTE="papa_smurf_23"][QUOTE="scorpionn87"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Graphically the 360 > PS3. Not by huge margins, but definitely better. This can't even be argued. But the difference is so slight it really doesn't matter.scorpionn87

2. what releases? All the games coming to the p3 this year are still on the same graphic level as the 360