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#1 Pangster007
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Thanks to .dmc from this thread


Obviously, the visuals are a lot nicer, but it does it's job and conveys the same emotions.

The question is, are people (the majority) these days satisfied with the lower graphics end of this generation?

In other words, are people content with Wii graphics and that PS3/360 graphics are 'excessive'? Does the extra 'horsepower' contribute enough to gaming that it really matters?

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February: Nintendo DS 485,000 Wii 335,000 PlayStation 2 295,000 Xbox 360 228,000 PlayStation Portable 176,000 Game Boy Advance 136,000 PlayStation 3 127,000 GameCube 24,000 Xbox 480 *Source: The NPD Group. More information :)
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Really makes no difference to me but if people do care about graphics then let them buy a ps3/360. I bought the Wii for its strong 1st party line-up and FFCC :D.
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#4 StealthSting
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Excessive? Nah imo i don't agree with the excessive view. I could agree that it gets the job done with lower graphics, not to mention that the Wii itself could definitely make a far better character model then the one shown in the above picture.
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#5 shadow_lord_11
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why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
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#6 Pangster007
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why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
shadow_lord_11
I know, what i'm trying to say is that, typical consumers don't really care as much for those aspects, and so it could be the reason why the Wii is a much better buy in their eyes. Of course, people who write in forums, such as this, would know the differences.
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#7 StealthSting
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why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
shadow_lord_11



Wii lacks? Wii has great physics, hell I haven't seen next gen games with AI that much better then some technically inferior games on last gen on consoles and most importantly PC. The point remains that even in the visuals department Wii could definitely surpass last gen games. In comparison to the other consoles thats another thing all together, but could the visuals of the Wii be enough to portray just as much emotion as the other consoles? IMO definitely.

With all that said I still have to agree with your point, yes power is definitely something that could be used  to make the game better.
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#8 -KinGz-
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[QUOTE="Pangster007"]February: Nintendo DS 485,000 Wii 335,000 PlayStation 2 295,000 Xbox 360 228,000 PlayStation Portable 176,000 Game Boy Advance 136,000 PlayStation 3 127,000 GameCube 24,000 Xbox 480 *Source: The NPD Group. More information :)

Dude nintendo kicked ass feb...
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
Pangster007
I know, what i'm trying to say is that, typical consumers don't really care as much for those aspects, and so it could be the reason why the Wii is a much better buy in their eyes. Of course, people who write in forums, such as this, would know the differences.

If that's the case then those typical consumers obviously don't know what a good investment is!  Why would they spend $250 on a wii when they could have bought an $129 ps2, or $99 gamecube which is obviously cheaper and lacks many aspects by next gen console standards?  *sniff* *sniff*  I smell a fad, and it ain't myspace!

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#10 deadmeat59
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those picture look pretty much the same to me
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#11 -KinGz-
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those picture look pretty much the same to medeadmeat59
u are blind
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[QUOTE="-KinGz-"][QUOTE="Pangster007"]February: Nintendo DS 485,000 Wii 335,000 PlayStation 2 295,000 Xbox 360 228,000 PlayStation Portable 176,000 Game Boy Advance 136,000 PlayStation 3 127,000 GameCube 24,000 Xbox 480 *Source: The NPD Group. More information :)

Dude nintendo kicked ass feb...

Yes... The consoles with the worst "power" for their respective markets came out on top (DS for handhelds, Wii for current gen, PS2 for last gen).
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#13 iceberg_shorty
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With all that said I still have to agree with your point, yes power is definitely something that could be used  to make the game better.StealthSting

Could?  It should be used, isn't that what adds to innovation?  People act like playing the same game a different way is innovative and revolutionary, how? 

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#14 StealthSting
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those picture look pretty much the same to medeadmeat59
*Puts sarcastic look* You can't be serious.
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#15 shadow_lord_11
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those picture look pretty much the same to medeadmeat59
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#16 StealthSting
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[QUOTE="StealthSting"]With all that said I still have to agree with your point, yes power is definitely something that could be used to make the game better.iceberg_shorty

Could? It should be used, isn't that what adds to innovation? People act like playing the same game a different way is innovative and revolutionary, how?

Thats not my point. If a 2d game made me feel more attached to it and more immersed in its universe then a 3d game, thats because it did things that were not needed to be achieved with better hardware.
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#17 Pangster007
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If that's the case then those typical consumers obviously don't know what a good investment is! Why would they spend $250 on a wii when they could have bought an $129 ps2, or $99 gamecube which is obviously cheaper and lacks many aspects by next gen console standards? *sniff* *sniff* I smell a fad, and it ain't myspace!

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When you look at it on paper, and think through on what is being delivered and how much you are paying, then the PS3 is the best investment. The otherside of the argument is that, typical consumers don't want anything else, just a basic gaming machine. As for your question, i think typical consumers have already bought the PS2, the GC? no, not really. Also, the Wii is considered NEW, add to the fact of good marketing, offering something which PS2 and GC did not have, and making the pack-in game accessible to as many people as possible, i can see why many would spend $250 and more for it.
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]those picture look pretty much the same to meshadow_lord_11

yes it looks better but its not huge to me
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#19 peaceful_anger
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why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
shadow_lord_11
This is what I don't get from lemmings and cows. Yall say PS3/360 games have great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff, but I have yet to see it in any of the games for those systems. And yes, it is okay to like nice graphics, and it doesn't make you a graphics whore. What is sad though is when someone passes on a excellent game because the graphics aren't up to snuff or as jaw dropping as say MGS 4, Gears of War, or Mass Effect.
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why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
shadow_lord_11


If I remember correctly, the Wii has a PhysX PPU and a PowerPC processor. If properly used, this "lack" of physics and AI will not be noticed... not to mention, the Wii was never designed to compete with the PS3/360/PC, it was designed to open a whole new market and give fun to those who care about fun.

The Wii does not have "weak" anything... it only does when you compare it technically to the other systems. Technically it is better than all three last gen systems.
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Graphics are only there to compliment great gameplay.
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#22 deadmeat59
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
foxhound_fox


If I remember correctly, the Wii has a PhysX PPU and a PowerPC processor. If properly used, this "lack" of physics and AI will not be noticed... not to mention, the Wii was never designed to compete with the PS3/360/PC, it was designed to open a whole new market and give fun to those who care about fun.

The Wii does not have "weak" anything... it only does when you compare it technically to the other systems. Technically it is better than all three last gen systems.

well said
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
peaceful_anger
This is what I don't get from lemmings and cows. Yall say PS3/360 games have great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff, but I have yet to see it in any of the games for those systems. And yes, it is okay to like nice graphics, and it doesn't make you a graphics whore. What is sad though is when someone passes on a excellent game because the graphics aren't up to snuff or as jaw dropping as say MGS 4, Gears of War, or Mass Effect.



I somewhat agree, but next gen games have showed great physics. In fact if you take close attention to these forums, I hardly see people talking about physics and all the other possibilities hardware could achieve in gaming. I mostly see tired and overused graphics comparison threads with visuals as the main argument, only to be used as ownage agains't a certain console thats not in their preference.
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People praise what's in front of them.

The only reason we're having a discussion about the quality of last gen's graphics maybe being enough is because Nintendo made the Wii that way it is.

If Nintendo had gone with graphics like the PS3 or the 360's, then everyone would be praising them à la "RE4 is better on GC than on the PS2 because it has better graphics."
I'm pretty sure no one would have said "Man those last gen graphics were enough for me, I don't need more."
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#25 ithilgore2006
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those picture look pretty much the same to medeadmeat59
One is more polished. I mean that literally, one is just shinier.
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#26 axt113
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[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
iceberg_shorty

I know, what i'm trying to say is that, typical consumers don't really care as much for those aspects, and so it could be the reason why the Wii is a much better buy in their eyes. Of course, people who write in forums, such as this, would know the differences.

If that's the case then those typical consumers obviously don't know what a good investment is!  Why would they spend $250 on a wii when they could have bought an $129 ps2, or $99 gamecube which is obviously cheaper and lacks many aspects by next gen console standards?  *sniff* *sniff*  I smell a fad, and it ain't myspace!

The controller makes it more accessible
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#27 shadow_lord_11
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[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
foxhound_fox


If I remember correctly, the Wii has a PhysX PPU and a PowerPC processor. If properly used, this "lack" of physics and AI will not be noticed... not to mention, the Wii was never designed to compete with the PS3/360/PC, it was designed to open a whole new market and give fun to those who care about fun.

The Wii does not have "weak" anything... it only does when you compare it technically to the other systems.Technically it is better than all three last gen systems.

isnt that the whole point of a console war?
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isnt that the whole point of a console war?shadow_lord_11


No. The whole point of the console war is who sells the most and "wins."
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#29 axt113
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]those picture look pretty much the same to meithilgore2006
One is more polished. I mean that literally, one is just shinier.

Bloom!!!
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#30 Pangster007
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]why do you people act like graphics is the only thing the wii lacks at?

With great power, comes great physics, AI, flexability, and all that stuff.

Stop making it seem like the wii's only weak point is graphics. Because truth be told, it lacks a lot more than that.
shadow_lord_11


If I remember correctly, the Wii has a PhysX PPU and a PowerPC processor. If properly used, this "lack" of physics and AI will not be noticed... not to mention, the Wii was never designed to compete with the PS3/360/PC, it was designed to open a whole new market and give fun to those who care about fun.

The Wii does not have "weak" anything... it only does when you compare it technically to the other systems.Technically it is better than all three last gen systems.

isnt that the whole point of a console war?

The point of console war is sales. Nothing more. Whoever sells the most, wins. last gen it was the PS2. Xbox and GC didn't win because they were more powerful than the PS2, did they?
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#31 StealthSting
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People praise what's in front of them.

The only reason we're having a discussion about the quality of last gen's graphics maybe being enough is because Nintendo made the Wii that way it is.

If Nintendo had gone with graphics like the PS3 or the 360's, then everyone would be praising them à la "RE4 is better on GC than on the PS2 because it has better graphics."
I'm pretty sure no one would have said "Man those last gen graphics were enough for me, I don't need more."
DireToad



Again, I somewhat agree. Thats why I have to disagree with the excessive reasoning. Sure in some situations excessive could not be a good thing, but can people really find any fault in it? Talking about visuals only, not the hole price shebang and the HD infiltration situation in the hole market and the consequences it could have in gaming.

I simply have to disagree with the people that says that enough is enough when I look at this gens graphics and room for improvement is huge imo. Quite in fact that argument is rendered useless, when in fact Nintendo already announced that they will continue to follow that road in the future.
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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]those picture look pretty much the same to meithilgore2006
One is more polished. I mean that literally, one is just shinier.

Nope, one has less clean textures, more detail all around and better expressiveness.