Great Franchises vs. System Sellers

Here at GS the latest trend from fanboys this gen has been to confuse great franchises with system seller games for their console of choice. Now this topic is not to downgrade the quality of a franchise, Im just fed up with fanboys touting games that are successful franchises(niche gaming) with collossal blockbuster hits that makes good ole great grandma stand up and take notice....

What titles do you feel are System Sellers and why?

Discuss

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Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

I agree those titles tend to start a buying frenzy for the respective consoles...

And as sad as it may be I will say Madden and movie themed games always results in a typhoon worth of console sales

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NG2 may own but I would put that in a great franchise category rather than a system seller. Only the select few would enjoy that genre versus hearing about the sales of Pokemon or Halo on CNN...

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I agree those titles tend to start a buying frenzy for the respective consoles...

And as sad as it may be I will say Madden and movie themed games always results in a typhoon worth of console sales

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FatalDomain

I have to disagree there. Madden, people can just play those games on their older consoles, and the same is generally true for movie titles. They are always released on 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, DS, and even GBA. Turtles, Spiderman, Transformers, Harry Potter. Pretty sure they all were on all systems. Madden 08 PS2 sales topped every other system combined, unless I remember incorrectly

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"]

I agree those titles tend to start a buying frenzy for the respective consoles...

And as sad as it may be I will say Madden and movie themed games always results in a typhoon worth of console sales

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Xerlaoth

I have to disagree there. Madden, people can just play those games on their older consoles, and the same is generally true for movie titles. They are always released on 360, PS3, PS2, Wii, DS, and even GBA. Turtles, Spiderman, Transformers, Harry Potter. Pretty sure they all were on all systems. Madden 08 PS2 sales topped every other system combined, unless I remember incorrectly

When I reffer to a system seller Im talking about this gen only... but I do get your point. I still have to disagree cause regardless of these title being available for every system or the quality, the market always has a rush of console sales during the time of their release.

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Gran Turismoasdasd

I dunno about that one...I will give it credit for being a great franchise but as long as I been gaming I havent heard of a nationwide demand for this title. The type where retailers are completely sold out and news venues that dont normally report gaming news is reporting the sales from this title...

To each his own, I guess

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I don't think anyone went out and bought a PS3 or 360 to play spiderman3, honestly. how many people bought a ds for pokemon pearl and diamond tho?Xerlaoth

But just as you mentioned earlier, these games are available for all consoles...so why would a casual pick up the most expensive console to play a game?

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[QUOTE="Xerlaoth"]I don't think anyone went out and bought a PS3 or 360 to play spiderman3, honestly. how many people bought a ds for pokemon pearl and diamond tho?FatalDomain

But just as you mentioned earlier, these games are available for all consoles...so why would a casual pick up the most expensive consoles to play a game? They would more likely grab a PS2 and get a bang out of life.

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[QUOTE="asdasd"]Gran TurismoFatalDomain

I dunno about that one...I will give it credit for being a great franchise but as long as I been gaming I havent heard of a nationwide demand for this title. The type where retailers are completely sold out and news venues that dont normally report gaming news is reporting the sales from this title...

To each his own, I guess

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GT3 was the second best selling game of last gen. (Only behind GTA:SA, and not by much)

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

manny280

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

[QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

soulfinger

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

What do you mean, to a certain extent? MGS and GT were both top-selling games last-gen.

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"]

[QUOTE="asdasd"]Gran Turismoasdasd

I dunno about that one...I will give it credit for being a great franchise but as long as I been gaming I havent heard of a nationwide demand for this title. The type where retailers are completely sold out and news venues that dont normally report gaming news is reporting the sales from this title...

To each his own, I guess

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GT3 was the second best selling game of last gen. (Only behind GTA:SA, and not by much)

Like I said, its a great franchise that was available to 15 mil + Sony customers and may have generated a few more supporters. But IMO the franchise doesnt have the draw to sway the non-gamer or rival system supporters to break down and buy a Playstation for the title.

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[QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

soulfinger

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

Not going to lie- when I saw the title of the thread, I assumed a, "The Halo franchise is a system seller, but it by no means is a good franchise." So, kudos for not doing that.musicalmac

Hahaha that made me laugh a little...But no Im a gamer so Im not stuck in a 360 or PS3 rut where I all can talk about is Halo or MGS4. Thx for posting :)

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[QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

NavigatorsGhost

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

What do you mean, to a certain extent? MGS and GT were both top-selling games last-gen.

oh yea i forgot about those ill add them but i think he means that not many pplbuy a system for gran turismo but many ppl buy it still mgs is definitely a system seller though

[QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

Xerlaoth

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

I can agree that Gears emerged (no pun intended) as a great franchise, but I dont think is can draw in lil billy and grandma. It will just be a great addition to the 360 library

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[QUOTE="Xerlaoth"][QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

FatalDomain

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

I can agree that Gears emerged (no pun intended) as a great franchise, but I dont think is can draw in lil billy and grandma. It will just be a great addition to the 360 library

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what if they played geow or at a friends house liked it alot and buy a 360 for geow 2 that is possible isnt it i know many ppl who have palyed geow and dnt own a 360

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Xerlaoth"][QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

manny280

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

I can agree that Gears emerged (no pun intended) as a great franchise, but I dont think is can draw in lil billy and grandma. It will just be a great addition to the 360 library

Game On...

what if they played geow or at a friends house liked it alot and buy a 360 for geow 2 that is possible isnt it i know many ppl who have palyed geow and dnt own a 360

Well if you want to use that logic, hell a XBLA, VC, or PSN title could have the same effect to make someone buy a console. I didnt want to use Halo or GTA as a example because it breeds conflict between the Xbox and Playstation on these boards, but I see I will have to do so to prove my point.

The games I mentioned are System Sellers meaning they sparked a buying frenzy from people wanting to experience a game that is on the lips of every news reporter and magazine article. Its the latest fad, the new black of the season, the "its" thing to have in your home...

This is the type of exposure System sellers generate.

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FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

[QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

NavigatorsGhost

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

What do you mean, to a certain extent? MGS and GT were both top-selling games last-gen.

As good as they are I guess I mean they wont have the same impact of games like Halo, Mario or Zelda.

Also I think people are going to find that GoW2 will have some serious hype including press, TV, etc. Not to the level of Halo 3 but when its launched I think non gaming media will be talking a lot about it especially if the film makes it to the big screen before then.

[QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

NavigatorsGhost

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

What do you mean, to a certain extent? MGS and GT were both top-selling games last-gen.

As good as they are I guess I mean they wont have the same impact of games like Halo, Mario or Zelda.

FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

haris12121212

I agree with everything except for GT....I just dont see that title as a system seller. The only buzz you hear from that game is on message boards and in the gaming community. I have never heard anyone outside of gaming talking about GT, its sales, performance, anything....

But hey thats just my opinion.

Game On....

[QUOTE="haris12121212"]

FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

FatalDomain

I agree with everything except for GT....I just dont see that title as a system seller. The only buzz you hear from that game is on message boards and in the gaming community. I have never heard anyone outside of gaming talking about GT, its sales, performance, anything....

But hey thats just my opinion.

Game On....

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gran_Turismo_Sales_Data_7626_4280_0.htm But yeah I gotta say that GT doesn't make a huge impact like other games do (Guess cause GT is less advertised and so on)

[QUOTE="manny280"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="Xerlaoth"][QUOTE="soulfinger"][QUOTE="manny280"]

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

FatalDomain

Agreed. I'll ad MGS and GT to a certain extent. I also now think that Gears of War 2 will become a system seller for the 360.

I can agree that Gears emerged (no pun intended) as a great franchise, but I dont think is can draw in lil billy and grandma. It will just be a great addition to the 360 library

Game On...

what if they played geow or at a friends house liked it alot and buy a 360 for geow 2 that is possible isnt it i know many ppl who have palyed geow and dnt own a 360

Well if you want to use that logic, hell a XBLA, VC, or PSN title could have the same effect to make someone buy a console. I didnt want to use Halo or GTA as a example because it breeds conflict between the Xbox and Playstation on these boards, but I see I will have to do so to prove my point.

The games I mentioned are System Sellers meaning they sparked a buying frenzy from people wanting to experience a game that is on the lips of every news reporter and magazine article. Its the latest fad, the new black of the season, the "its" thing to have in your home...

This is the type of exposure System sellers generate.

Game On...

i kind of get what youre trying to say but still the 360's highest selling month is the month geow released even more than september so it must be a system seller at least to certain extent i expect future gears games to sell in the mgs range 4-6 million

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]

FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

haris12121212

I agree with everything except for GT....I just dont see that title as a system seller. The only buzz you hear from that game is on message boards and in the gaming community. I have never heard anyone outside of gaming talking about GT, its sales, performance, anything....

But hey thats just my opinion.

Game On....

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gran_Turismo_Sales_Data_7626_4280_0.htm. But yeah I gotta say that GT doesn't make a huge impact like other games do (Guess cause GT is less advertised and so on)

Thats a videogame site, of course they will have the story of the year on the franchise. If you can find me a Fox news or CNN column about GT then I will eat my share of crow and declare GT a system seller...no problem

Game On....

[QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]

FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

FatalDomain

I agree with everything except for GT....I just dont see that title as a system seller. The only buzz you hear from that game is on message boards and in the gaming community. I have never heard anyone outside of gaming talking about GT, its sales, performance, anything....

But hey thats just my opinion.

Game On....

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gran_Turismo_Sales_Data_7626_4280_0.htm. But yeah I gotta say that GT doesn't make a huge impact like other games do (Guess cause GT is less advertised and so on)

Thats a videogame site, of course they will have the story of the year on the franchise. If you can find me a Fox news or CNN column about GT then I will eat my share of crow and declare GT a system seller...no problem

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CNN

(CNN) -- If you were one of those people who couldn't decide whether to shell out your hard-earned dollars on the PlayStation 2 when it was first made available, Polyphony Digital has now made a strong argument for buying the system."

Halo

Pokemon

Mario

Zelda(Meh...)

Not so familiar with PS3

[QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="FatalDomain"][QUOTE="haris12121212"]

FF Worldwide impact

Halo Mainly USA. Europe in the middle and Japan low sales.

GTA USA-Europe huge impact, Japan nothing huge but nothing low

GT Worldwide impact

Dragon Quest - Japan huge impact. USA-Europe, not so so

Pokemon - Worldwide impact

Mario - Worldwide impact

asdasd

I agree with everything except for GT....I just dont see that title as a system seller. The only buzz you hear from that game is on message boards and in the gaming community. I have never heard anyone outside of gaming talking about GT, its sales, performance, anything....

But hey thats just my opinion.

Game On....

http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gran_Turismo_Sales_Data_7626_4280_0.htm. But yeah I gotta say that GT doesn't make a huge impact like other games do (Guess cause GT is less advertised and so on)

Thats a videogame site, of course they will have the story of the year on the franchise. If you can find me a Fox news or CNN column about GT then I will eat my share of crow and declare GT a system seller...no problem

Game On....

CNN

(CNN) -- If you were one of those people who couldn't decide whether to shell out your hard-earned dollars on the PlayStation 2 when it was first made available, Polyphony Digital has now made a strong argument for buying the system."

Fair enough, I can admit when Im wrong about the franchise being notable...But next time let the person debating do the work. Also this article was imbedded in a section of CNN the average person wouldnt read. I know all media outlets have their "tech" section, but I dont recall this being on the front page on CNN during its release...I could be wrong but hey, stranger things have happened before...

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System sellers and great franchises go hand in hand for me you buy consoles for certain games like Lemmings bought 360 because of the halo series (a greay franchise and system seller) Sheep bought into a wii because of SSBB (agian a SS and GF) Cows bought a ps3 because of FF and MGS4 ( I dont like them but the rateing and sales speak for themselves)

lol, how are you going to remember what the headlines were at CNN.COM on a specific day over 6 years ago?

NavigatorsGhost

Its simple its called a great memory...I have been around long enough in the gaming realm to remember the games that made such impact on the world that the average mom and pop were even talking about them, GT is not one of those franchises.

Remember the global hype around surrounding the release of SMB3?

Do you remember the news uproar about Street Fighter II or Mortal Kombat taking over the world?

If you have had the pleasure of being exposed to gaming at its finest you will no that the GT series just simply launches, makes its money, and is only popular among Playstation fans....Its is a great franchise, but not a system seller!!

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Gran Turismoasdasd

I don't think so...

Halo

Final Fantasy

Mario

Zelda

Pokemon

manny280

Agreed!

I'll add Gears of War to the list.

halo, mario etc are fun but they are not the best you can get. We as gamers know the games that we want and how to get the most out of our system, let the n00bs find out for themselves.hongkingkong

They might not be the best you can get, but they sure move systems. This is a fact...there is no room for opinions here.

[QUOTE="asdasd"]Gran TurismoFatalDomain

I dunno about that one...I will give it credit for being a great franchise but as long as I been gaming I havent heard of a nationwide demand for this title. The type where retailers are completely sold out and news venues that dont normally report gaming news is reporting the sales from this title...

To each his own, I guess

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so many people bought gran turismo because there is no other great racing sim on the ps2