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#1 _KenKittyragi_
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stop hyping games with good graphics. good graphics does not always mean good gameplay. for all we know crysis could get a solid 6 just because the game is 5 hours long with terriblec enemy A.I. all the games getting hyped this year have awesome graphics. (Killzone 2, MGS 4, Lair) why no love for the crappy graphics games? comon people.
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Funny, all the hands on reviews of Crysis so far have been VERY positive in all aspects.

Below average graphics Wii games are not gaurenteed good gameplay either.

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#3 JustE32007
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I don't care if MGS4 has PS1 graphics I'll still buy it.
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#4 cheezisgoooood
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Bad graphics doesn't mean better gameplay than games with good graphics ;).
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#5 Slyprince
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Graphics are a very big factor though

If Gears had the graphics of Halo 1 with the same exact gameplay

It wouldnt have even gotten AA or its numerough game of the year awards

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#6 inertk
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Great graphics don't equal a great game yeah, doesn't cement the fact it'll be crap either.

Obviously people do take in what hands-on previews have to say, along with developer interviews and footage of the game in action to decide whether or not they'll enjoy the game. It's not all about graphics you know, that's just one aspect certain games seem to shine in.

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#7 _KenKittyragi_
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IMO, Killzone 2 looks incredibly boring right now and is only getting hyped because it has good graphics. if it had crappier graphics, it would just be another no attention exclusive.
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#8 Banhammer3000
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Funny, all the hands on reviews of Crysis so far have been VERY positive in all aspects.

Below average graphics Wii games are not gaurenteed good gameplay either.

Meu2k7

True.

Great graphics don't guarantee great gameplay but it seems lousy graphics guarantee lousy gameplay.

IMO depends if the graphics look insanely awesome that means Devs put a lot of time in the game making it perfect,Crysis for example.Great games seem to have great graphics.

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#9 Teuf_
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Good graphics doesn't guarantee the game will be "great", nor will it guarantee that it will be bad.

Taking that second part into account, why should games with good graphics not be hyped? There's most definitely a correlation between excellent graphics and quality gameplay, if you hadn't noticed when looking the kinds of games that get AAA scores.
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#10 LastSamurai14
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Quit trying to justify the wii. Great graphics help a game, of course they aren't the only reason. Crysis has among the best AI of all games right now....
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#11 BigDaddyPOLO
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Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.
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#12 JustE32007
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Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.BigDaddyPOLO

Doom III

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Crysis will be 12-15 hours long (just running through it - it can be all the way up to 30 hours if you take different paths and routes). The game is the spiritual successor to FarCry which recieved a 9 in gameplay here at GameSpot.
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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.JustE32007

Doom III

Gears of War (I'm a lemming, sorry, but this game was too short and repetitive)

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Quit trying to justify the wii. Great graphics help a game, of course they aren't the only reason. Crysis has among the best AI of all games right now....LastSamurai14
So you've played it?! Wow, can I come to your house and play?
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#16 Banhammer3000
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IMO, Killzone 2 looks incredibly boring right now and is only getting hyped because it has good graphics. if it had crappier graphics, it would just be another no attention exclusive._KenKittyragi_

Since when action FPS are boring :|.The trailer was a bit boring but when they show the in-game stuff it looked awesome.For example crappier graphics would make any game look bad from Final fantasy to Halo and Crysis.

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[QUOTE="_KenKittyragi_"]IMO, Killzone 2 looks incredibly boring right now and is only getting hyped because it has good graphics. if it had crappier graphics, it would just be another no attention exclusive.Banhammer3000

Since when action FPS are boring :|.The trailer was a bit boring but when they show the in-game stuff it looked awesome.For example crappier graphics would make any game look bad from Final fantasy to Halo and Crysis.

Halo isn't being hyped on graphics

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#18 coreygames
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Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.BigDaddyPOLO
Resistance: Fall of Man
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#19 Banhammer3000
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[QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay._KenKittyragi_

Doom III

Gears of War (I'm a lemming, sorry, but this game was too short and repetitive)

what are you talking about?,That the game was awesome,Short yes but it has the best gameplay ever or you prefer people jumping around like idiots like in Halo?.

The gameplay was just awesome.

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[QUOTE="LastSamurai14"]Quit trying to justify the wii. Great graphics help a game, of course they aren't the only reason. Crysis has among the best AI of all games right now....coreygames
So you've played it?! Wow, can I come to your house and play?

Most of the Hand-on-reviews of Crysis state that the AI is amazing, even considering the fact that they are on easy.

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#21 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.coreygames
Resistance: Fall of Man



The gameplay wasn't "bad" at all. The game got an 8.6....
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#22 BigDaddyPOLO
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[QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay._KenKittyragi_

Doom III

Gears of War (I'm a lemming, sorry, but this game was too short and repetitive)

Good job, BOTH of your posts were not only complete opinion, but those games scored AA and AAA.
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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.JustE32007

Doom III

Which got an 8 in gameplay. Doom 3 did not have bad gameplay, it just had old fantastic gameplay.
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#24 Slyprince
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[QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay._KenKittyragi_

Doom III

Gears of War (I'm a lemming, sorry, but this game was too short and repetitive)

I disagree

Gears of war has had the freshest take on a 3rd Person Shooter in a very long time (save Resident Evil 4)

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#25 MikeE21286
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Because how can I know what a game will play like until I play it. And I can't play it until it's out. Andwe only hype thingsthat aren'tout yet. That's pretty much the jist of the whole thing.
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#26 Banhammer3000
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[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.coreygames
Resistance: Fall of Man

R:fom looked mediocre if you compare it to Gears,KZ2 or Crysis.Even so I haven't hear of a game with great graphics that scored 7.0 or lower.

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#27 Arnalion
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Good graphics can only be done with a long development time. Which also means that the developer has more time to put at the gameplay. So they can come "hand in hand".
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#28 _en1gma_
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No but it makes the game look good and helps the atmosphere. I big part in games.

People hype the gameplay based on the gameplay they see.

It's as simple as that.

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#29 coreygames
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[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.Banhammer3000

Resistance: Fall of Man

R:fom looked mediocre if you compare it to Gears,KZ2 or Crysis.Even so I haven't hear of a game with great graphics that scored 7.0 or lower.

Wow, way to change your standard. You tell me to find ONE game with awesome graphics and poor gameplay,and I do; now you want me to find a game with awesome graphics and under a 7.0? Make up your mind and then tell me what you want me to search for.
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#30 JustE32007
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[QUOTE="_KenKittyragi_"][QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.BigDaddyPOLO

Doom III

Gears of War (I'm a lemming, sorry, but this game was too short and repetitive)

Good job, BOTH of your posts were not only complete opinion, but those games scored AA and AAA.

Those scores are based on one persons opinion as well...

Your point?

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#31 Teuf_
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Wow, way to change your standard. You tell me to find ONE game with awesome graphics and poor gameplay,and I do; now you want me to find a game with awesome graphics and under a 7.0? Make up your mind and then tell me what you want me to search for.coreygames


I'd like to know what exactly your standards are for "poor" gameplay. The game got a 9 in graphics, and an 8 in gameplay. That doesn't exactly sound like a huge gap between the two.
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What isbeing missed here is that great games have good graphics. No great game has ever had bad graphics. Katamari Demacy doesn't have bad graphics, thats an art style that it purposefully chose.

But bad graphics (I mean BAD GRAPHICS like Spiderman 3 on the Wii with glitches and that dragon game on the XBOX.) always lead to bad gameplay.

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#34 Banhammer3000
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[QUOTE="Banhammer3000"]

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.coreygames

Resistance: Fall of Man

R:fom looked mediocre if you compare it to Gears,KZ2 or Crysis.Even so I haven't hear of a game with great graphics that scored 7.0 or lower.

Wow, way to change your standard. You tell me to find ONE game with awesome graphics and poor gameplay,and I do; now you want me to find a game with awesome graphics and under a 7.0? Make up your mind and then tell me what you want me to search for.

I will take that as a big "I dunno".The point is that it seems that there isnt a game with good graphics that is absolutely craptacular in fact i think this is proving that Graphics actually guarantee good games.7.0 or higher

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#35 MikeE21286
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What isbeing missed here is that great games have good graphics. No great game has ever had bad graphics. Katamari Demacy doesn't have bad graphics, thats an art style that it purposefully chose.

But bad graphics (I mean BAD GRAPHICS like Spiderman 3 on the Wii with glitches and that dragon game on the XBOX.) always lead to bad gameplay.

Bread_or_Decide

I don't know....GTA: San Andreas had some pretty bad graphics. I mean they were nothing stellar that's for sure.

EDIT: But I will agree with you, that for the most part, great games have great graphics. They mostly coincide, and yes, many do not seem to realize this also. Great graphics are a part of immersion among other things, and they also convey polish and attentiveness by the developer.

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Exactly. just cuz jeff fat butt gertsman says a game is awesome doesn't mean u think it's awesome.

_KenKittyragi_

Hating on gears just makes you look ignorant. You can dislike the game but no way is it "bad" or does it have "bad gameplay". You can't possibly tell me that every review site and millions of gamers are all wrong?

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#37 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

What isbeing missed here is that great games have good graphics. No great game has ever had bad graphics. Katamari Demacy doesn't have bad graphics, thats an art style that it purposefully chose.

But bad graphics (I mean BAD GRAPHICS like Spiderman 3 on the Wii with glitches and that dragon game on the XBOX.) always lead to bad gameplay.

MikeE21286

I don't know....GTA: San Andreas had some pretty bad graphics. I mean they were nothing stellar that's for sure.

They sacrified character detail for a living, breathing,huged lived in city. That sounds like good graphics to me. Plus it was following the style set up by GTA III and that game certainly looked amazing when first released.

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#38 coreygames
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It doesn't matter what game I give, you guys will all say that the game either has A) Poor graphics, so it doesn't count B)good gameplay Both are opinions, and relative to the player. Just know that a game that they took time to polish and make good to look at will most likely be a well done game, but just because there is a pretty pic. (Motorstorm), doesn't mean that it is going to be the best.
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Funny, all the hands on reviews of Crysis so far have been VERY positive in all aspects.

Below average graphics Wii games are not gaurenteed good gameplay either.

Meu2k7
funny how the ai is a joke they just stand there and let u shot them
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#40 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

What isbeing missed here is that great games have good graphics. No great game has ever had bad graphics. Katamari Demacy doesn't have bad graphics, thats an art style that it purposefully chose.

But bad graphics (I mean BAD GRAPHICS like Spiderman 3 on the Wii with glitches and that dragon game on the XBOX.) always lead to bad gameplay.

Bread_or_Decide

I don't know....GTA: San Andreas had some pretty bad graphics. I mean they were nothing stellar that's for sure.

They sacrified character detail for a living, breathing,huged lived in city. That sounds like good graphics to me. Plus it was following the style set up by GTA III and that game certainly looked amazing when first released.

Yeah, I edited, I mostly agree with you, I just don't think the game has good graphics per se....just has a large scope (like you said)

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#41 Slyprince
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What isbeing missed here is that great games have good graphics. No great game has ever had bad graphics. Katamari Demacy doesn't have bad graphics, thats an art style that it purposefully chose.

But bad graphics (I mean BAD GRAPHICS like Spiderman 3 on the Wii with glitches and that dragon game on the XBOX.) always lead to bad gameplay.

Bread_or_Decide

what about GTA

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[QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.baddog121390

Doom III

Which got an 8 in gameplay. Doom 3 did not have bad gameplay, it just had old fantastic gameplay.

which became extremely dull after the first dozen "monsters jump out of the shadows/around the corner/through the floor" events. seriously, the hallways all looked alike, nothing happened storywise. playing Doom 3 was like going about your ordinary life without sleeping in 4 days. everything's a copy... of a copy... of a copy...

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#43 coreygames
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[QUOTE="_KenKittyragi_"]

Exactly. just cuz jeff fat butt gertsman says a game is awesome doesn't mean u think it's awesome.

Bread_or_Decide

Hating on gears just makes you look ignorant. You can dislike the game but no way is it "bad" or does it have "bad gameplay". You can't possibly tell me that every review site and millions of gamers are all wrong?

Well, you can't have a "wrong" opinion. What I can say is that when Gears first came out, it was great. Now these patches that they have thrown on is making it worse, not better.
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#44 _KenKittyragi_
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[QUOTE="_KenKittyragi_"]

Exactly. just cuz jeff fat butt gertsman says a game is awesome doesn't mean u think it's awesome.

Bread_or_Decide

Hating on gears just makes you look ignorant. You can dislike the game but no way is it "bad" or does it have "bad gameplay". You can't possibly tell me that every review site and millions of gamers are all wrong?

gears is just way too overated, should have got a solid 9 at the most. the online was too repetetive and too short of a story. i buy other games like command and conquer, forza 2, rainbow six, cod3

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#45 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="_KenKittyragi_"]

Exactly. just cuz jeff fat butt gertsman says a game is awesome doesn't mean u think it's awesome.

coreygames

Hating on gears just makes you look ignorant. You can dislike the game but no way is it "bad" or does it have "bad gameplay". You can't possibly tell me that every review site and millions of gamers are all wrong?

Well, you can't have a "wrong" opinion. What I can say is that when Gears first came out, it was great. Now these patches that they have thrown on is making it worse, not better.

and I don't see how I can be "ignorant" if I was sincerely bored withGeOW's firefights on Insane difficulty. great graphics, tight controls, but the gameplay just lost it's ability to be interesting after the first playthrough. just a little to repetitive, and the enemies of Halo 2 were better adversaries.

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The Getaway = awesome graphics with bad gameplay
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#47 NamelessPlayer
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Great graphics doesn't guarantee great gameplay, that I agree with. (Doom 3 may have looked good for the time, but it seemed like yet another linear shooter to me.) Nor does bad graphics ensure great gameplay. (See Big Rigs.) However, that's not to say that games with great graphics have bad gameplay or vice versa. Operation Flashpoint is one of those titles with behind-the-times graphics, yet excellent gameplay. And from what I've read of Crysis, chances are it's going to play every bit as good as it looks, both in singleplayer AND multiplayer.
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[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="JustE32007"]

[QUOTE="BigDaddyPOLO"]Post ONE game that had awesome graphics with bad gameplay.Mordred19

Doom III

Which got an 8 in gameplay. Doom 3 did not have bad gameplay, it just had old fantastic gameplay.

which became extremely dull after the first dozen "monsters jump out of the shadows/around the corner/through the floor" events. seriously, the hallways all looked alike, nothing happened storywise. playing Doom 3 was like going about your ordinary life without sleeping in 4 days. everything's a copy... of a copy... of a copy...

Although open to criticism like every game i did find Doom 3 enjoyable. GeoW game me 2 weeks play then shelved. As for Crysis i think this will be the best FPS period. Oh not including the original Doom :P

The only people who bring threads like this up are console kiddies who fear the true power of a PC........lol

Face facts Crysis will rock in graphics and gameplay, we have seen enough to how how next gen consoles suck ass. MGS4 will rock in gameplay but won't be able to match its rivals for pure visuals. Japanese games don't stretch boundaries in the technical department.

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Thank you.-
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#50 OpticalCanine
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Killzone1 had better graphics then halo and u see where that got it. Killzone 2 WILL flop if they dont fix the gameplay. and TC just bc ur swinging a remote at ur TV for hours doesnt meen it has good gameplay.