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#1 tek91
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It seems that sony is gonna start making money off every PS 3 it sells instead of losing money.

This with the awesome library and exclusives to come like God of War 3, Killzone 2, GT 5, Infamous, Uncharted 2, Final Fantasy versus XIII etc etc it looks like the PS3 is looking up and is making a complete 360 (excuse the pun) isn't it time to get on the PS3 bandwagon. :)

link http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2701

Business Week has an interesting article up today on the cost of manufacturing PS3. Apparently, Business Week spoke to iSupply to determine how much it costs Sony to make a PS3. When the PS3 launched in the USA, iSupply said that the 60 Gig ($600) PS3 cost $840 to make. Retailers buy products cheaper than ordinary people do, to make money on the markup, so it's entirely possible that on the 60 gig model Sony was losing as much as $300 per PS3, though ~$270 is more likely. At any rate, in 2007, iSupply estimated that the 60 gig PS3 cost $805 to make, when retailers were likely buying it for $475 or so to sell to gamers at $500. The 80 gig model had been introduced to offset that increase in losses per PS3 as the channel was cleared of the original model.

As of today though, in late 2008, iSupply estimates that the $400 PS3 costs $448 to make. Retailers likely buy the system at $360 to $380, putting the losses at under $100 per PS3 sold in the USA. Depending on where the components of the PS3 are made, the losses are either greater or less due to the currency exchange rate between the strong Yen and other currencies. In 2007 for instance, selling a PS3 to a Gamestop for $370 would bring in 42,250 Yen. Right now, selling a PS3 to a Gamestop for $370 would only bring in about 33,300 Yen. So if the cost of making PS3 is $448 at the current exchange rate, Sony is only losing about $100 per system sold in the USA when the current rate in the Yen valuation is added to the normal loss, instead of simply $370-$448. However, Sony's production prices were likely set to when the dollar still bought 115 Yen. So instead of PS3 costing 40,320 Yen to make ($448 * 90 Yen/Dollar) it's likely a case of PS3 costs equaling $448 * 115 Yen to make - 51,520 Yen. If that is the case, the situation is not as good, because Sony can only sell the $400 PS3s (retailer price of $370 * 90) for 33,300 Yen. If this is the true scenario, then the loss per PS3 sold to retail is 18,220 Yen in the USA, which is $202. In reality though, Sony has likely made some adjustments in where it manufactures goods to compensate for the currency changes, in which case ~$150 lost per PS3 serves as a compromise between the iSupply figure which likely does not account for the weak dollar compared to when Sony bought the components en masse, and the $202 figure which assumes Sony did nothing to respond to the currency changes.

Another interesting part to all of this is Europe. PS3 sells for $560 or so in Europe (outside the UK) at the current exchange rate. If the cost of making a PS3 for Europe was the same as the USA, and the exchange rates hadn't changed, Sony probably would be making a profit, as selling a PS3 to a Gamestop in Ireland for 360 Euros would bring in $504, which is more than the $448 production cost cited above to make a PS3. However, with the extra taxes, and costs of translating Playstation 3 products into other languages and different electrical voltages, whatever profit margin may have been possible is at least somewhat reduced. The real issue though is the Yen. At this time last year, 100 Yen bought only 6/10 of a Euro. Today, 100 Yen buys about 8/10 of a Euro. In other words, it takes more Euros for Sony to get the same amount of Yen revenue on PS3. So if the current model of PS3 costs $448 * 115 Yen to make because production began last year, Sony has to get 51,520 Yen per PS3 in countries with the Euro. However, at the exchange current rate, if we assume that PS3s made for Europe cost roughly the same as PS3s made for the USA, Sony gets ~360 Euro * 126 Yen/Euro for each PS3 sold to an Irish Gamestop which is only 45,360 Yen per PS3. Again, the actual costs are likely different because of what is in a European PS3 vs. an American PS3, and Sony likely has acted on currency changes by moving or altering production of PS3 components to shave the losses.

Overall though, costs of making a PS3 are dropping rapidly, and if the currency exchange rates correct to their usual levels anytime soon, Sony will be making money on each PS3 sold. iSupply estimates that Sony will be profitable on each PS3 sold in 2009, and it certainly looks possible in mainland Europe in a few months, though the USA and UK will take a bit longer.

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#2 cainetao11
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All costs for production decline over time. Will Sony see any of the difference in that or will the Wii and 360 force a price cut to remain competetive? Remember if the cost to produce drops, Sony only benefits monetarily if they maintain price point. A price cut just keeps the money coming in less than what is going out.
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Nice, 2009 should be a spectacular year for Sony and the Playstation 3.
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It spent 2 years selling less than production costs, this will do little to alleviate their overall debt. Add the fact, that if this does happen next year where they are making money on the $400 systems, you think they are going to cut prices and keep losing money on each system sold again? If it stays at $400, they make a little money, if they cut prices again they basically negate this drop in production costs. Sorry, its not that much good news.
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You guys are killing me with these threads.

Manufacturing cost does not equal total cost.

Manufacturing breakeven does not equal product breakeven

Manufacturing cost of $448 + $Distribution cost (warehousing, shipping & handling) + $Marketing cost = PS3 cost

There is still a long way to go to turning a profit off the hardware.

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Kenn Kutaragi, is that you?
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

You guys are killing me with these threads.

Manufacturing cost does not equal total cost.

Manufacturing breakeven does not equal product breakeven

Manufacturing cost of $448 + $Distribution cost (warehousing, shipping & handling) + $Marketing cost = PS3 cost

There is still a long way to go to turning a profit off the hardware.

To be fair, all systems have distribution and marketing costs, though they vary for each. But refer to my above post for why this news isnt a big deal.
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#8 SUD123456
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[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

You guys are killing me with these threads.

Manufacturing cost does not equal total cost.

Manufacturing breakeven does not equal product breakeven

Manufacturing cost of $448 + $Distribution cost (warehousing, shipping & handling) + $Marketing cost = PS3 cost

There is still a long way to go to turning a profit off the hardware.

hopesfall2own

To be fair, all systems have distribution and marketing costs, though they vary for each. But refer to my above post for why this news isnt a big deal.

Ack...of course they do. That doesn't mean they disappear.

The opening line is that Sony is about to make money off each PS3 sold. Wrong.

They will not make a single cent off the hardware until they pay the manufacturing costs, the distribution costs and the marketing costs.

Hardware breakeven will not occur until 2010 at today's price.

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[QUOTE="SUD123456"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]

You guys are killing me with these threads.

Manufacturing cost does not equal total cost.

Manufacturing breakeven does not equal product breakeven

Manufacturing cost of $448 + $Distribution cost (warehousing, shipping & handling) + $Marketing cost = PS3 cost

There is still a long way to go to turning a profit off the hardware.

To be fair, all systems have distribution and marketing costs, though they vary for each. But refer to my above post for why this news isnt a big deal.

Ack...of course they do. That doesn't mean they disappear.

The opening line is that Sony is about to make money off each PS3 sold. Wrong.

They will not make a single cent off the hardware until they pay the manufacturing costs, the distribution costs and the marketing costs.

Hardware breakeven will not occur until 2010 at today's price.

Agreed. But will Sony stay at todays price? I doubt it.
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Basically, if you think they will lower the price next year, they will be right back where they are now losing money with each system sold.
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#11 SUD123456
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Basically, if you think they will lower the price next year, they will be right back where they are now losing money with each system sold. hopesfall2own
Yep, this gen is a complete financial disaster for Sony. Leaves em stuck.

But hey, it's payback for when they pre-empted MS and dropped their PS2 price to $199 less than 6 months after Xbox1 launched. Buried MS financially right there. Payback's a biatch :)

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Good, know Sony just needs to move more software.
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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]Basically, if you think they will lower the price next year, they will be right back where they are now losing money with each system sold. SUD123456

Yep, this gen is a complete financial disaster for Sony. Leaves em stuck.

But hey, it's payback for when they pre-empted MS and dropped their PS2 price to $199 less than 6 months after Xbox1 launched. Buried MS financially right there. Payback's a biatch :)

lol, so true
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#14 iam2green
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cool, sony it starting to make money off of thier system. sony isn't all about video games they also make tv and computers and steroes for homes.