Greenberg responds to Sony's add-on chart

""At the end of the day, consumers vote with their dollar," Greenberg said, adding that he expects to see Microsoft's console sales in December show growth over its 2007 performance, in anticipation of NPD sales data. "I don't think people take comparison grids into retail stores."

"I would rather talk about why you should buy our console than why you shouldn't buy the competitor's system."

http://kotaku.com/5128008/ces-09-microsoft-responds-to-sonys-console-add+on-peddling-claims

Very well put I thought, I'm glad it didn't go back and try to do some mud slinging at the PS3.

SNAP

hes right....instead of saying "dont buy this" SOny should be promoting the PS3 instead. They are basically whining and making excuses now.

Very professional, good job Microsoft.

He handle it with so much finesse.

"I would rather talk about why you should buy our console than why you shouldn't buy the competitor's system."

I agree 100%.

Very professional, good job Microsoft.

BTBAM127

Too bad he took the cowardly way out

When you have your opponent down you need to be able to finish them. Microsoft had that chance and whoever in charge just wasn't strong enough to get it done.

It's a shame. Hopefully that wont come back to haunt them

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

""At the end of the day, consumers vote with their dollar"

spinecaton

Not only do I agree with what he said its as I said earlier as to why sales are the measure for who wins the console race. In the business world sales are the consumer vote.

These companies don't brag about sales whenever they can for nothing.

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

If its the best value then consumers would buy it more then the competitors. In the video game market the consumers main concern of value is that based in gaming. And for $199 they can play 90% of the PS3 library and probably around 90% of games coming out in the future on platforms between the two.

That is the value the consumer sees in the 360 over the PS3. You can play the vast majority of games and for half the price, period.

And if we're talking about value again what about the value of the 360 version of Fallout 3 compared to the PS3 version? Seeing as how its in your sig.

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

Thats silly. There's nothing wrong with selling your console to the consumer (by telling him the pros of buying your console vs. the competetors).

Microsoft should be able to make a comeback as to why the 360 is a better buy.

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

EDIT: Good job MS. That was a very professional comeback.

Thats silly. There's nothing wrong with selling your console to the consumer (by telling him the pros of buying your console vs. the competetors).

Microsoft should be able to make a comeback as to why the 360 is a better buy.

hakanakumono

Thats silly. There's nothing wrong with selling your console to the consumer (by telling him the pros of buying your console vs. the competetors).

Microsoft should be able to make a comeback as to why the 360 is a better buy.

hakanakumono

They don't need to, the consumers decide what they want to buy, and that's why the 360 is the better selling HD console this gen.

Thats silly. There's nothing wrong with selling your console to the consumer (by telling him the pros of buying your console vs. the competetors).

Microsoft should be able to make a comeback as to why the 360 is a better buy.

hakanakumono

The arcade model always had HDMI. The chart is wrong. The modle they are talking but never retailed at 199$.

The consumer speaks for MS.

the fact the PS3 is in last place shows its not the best value for costumers, MS really gave one to Sony there.yoyo462001

true

consumers dont care about value.....they care about price and what you get for it.

An Arcade plays the same games as PS3....at half the cost. case closed

If its the best value then consumers would buy it more then the competitors. In the video game market the consumers main concern of value is that based in gaming. And for $199 they can play 90% of the PS3 library and probably around 90% of games coming out in the future on platforms between the two.

That is the value the consumer sees in the 360 over the PS3. You can play the vast majority of games and for half the price, period.

And if we're talking about value again what about the value of the 360 version of Fallout 3 compared to the PS3 version? Seeing as how its in your sig.

No we have an economic problem in our hands and most people don't worry about shelling out money for the best product they worry about saving money and if as you say it's about value then why did PS 3 outsell the 360 for 8 months when it lowered it's price until 360 decided to lower the xbox to $199 ?

they started to buy the 360 because basically it was cheap

:lol: He spoke the truth Consumer don't take biased charts into stores they have common sense.Gh0st_Of_0nyx

Consumers? Common sense? Good one.

It's a biased chart for sure, but at least it's smarter than "$200 and white, or $400 and black. But wait this is 80GB, that's good, right?"

So Sony's the new Apple? Harsh MS, harsh. We were just playing, but that really stung. :cry:

But really it is a comparison, not a don't buy there stuff because it sucks.

At the end of the day, consumers vote with their dollar

MS

And without resorting to any childish fanboy style ranting, Sony get owned:lol:

He forgot to mention a lot of consumers aren't smart. People just see a low price tag and automatically assume it's a better deal.Zoso-8

Anyone that pays almost double to play pretty much the same games isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the box imo.

Too bad he took the cowardly way out

When you have your opponent down you need to be able to finish them. Microsoft had that chance and whoever in charge just wasn't strong enough to get it done.

It's a shame. Hopefully that wont come back to haunt them

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.savagetwinkie

Thats silly. There's nothing wrong with selling your console to the consumer (by telling him the pros of buying your console vs. the competetors).

Microsoft should be able to make a comeback as to why the 360 is a better buy.

The crux of the matter is that PS3 fanboys simply cannot understand that features not needed/wanted is money wasted

No interest in Blu-Ray - Lets say $100 wasted

Uses a wired connection - $20 wasted

Doesn't use more than say 10Gb - $20 wasted

If its the best value then consumers would buy it more then the competitors. In the video game market the consumers main concern of value is that based in gaming. And for $199 they can play 90% of the PS3 library and probably around 90% of games coming out in the future on platforms between the two.

That is the value the consumer sees in the 360 over the PS3. You can play the vast majority of games and for half the price, period.

And if we're talking about value again what about the value of the 360 version of Fallout 3 compared to the PS3 version? Seeing as how its in your sig.

No we have an economic problem in our hands and most people don't worry about shelling out money for the best product they worry about saving money and if as you say it's about value then why did PS 3 outsell the 360 for 8 months when it lowered it's price until 360 decided to lower the xbox to $199 ?

they started to buy the 360 because basically it was cheap

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

""At the end of the day, consumers vote with their dollar"

Blackbond

Not only do I agree with what he said its as I said earlier as to why sales are the measure for who wins the console race. In the business world sales are the consumer vote.

These companies don't brag about sales whenever they can for nothing.

Like it or not, PS3 is the best value when you add up the $$$. Still, value doesn't necessarily mean much to consumers, since they seem to flock towards whatever has the lowest price tag.Timstuff

If its the best value then consumers would buy it more then the competitors. In the video game market the consumers main concern of value is that based in gaming. And for $199 they can play 90% of the PS3 library and probably around 90% of games coming out in the future on platforms between the two.

That is the value the consumer sees in the 360 over the PS3. You can play the vast majority of games and for half the price, period.

And if we're talking about value again what about the value of the 360 version of Fallout 3 compared to the PS3 version? Seeing as how its in your sig.

If its the best value then consumers would buy it more then the competitors. In the video game market the consumers main concern of value is that based in gaming. And for $199 they can play 90% of the PS3 library and probably around 90% of games coming out in the future on platforms between the two.

That is the value the consumer sees in the 360 over the PS3. You can play the vast majority of games and for half the price, period.

And if we're talking about value again what about the value of the 360 version of Fallout 3 compared to the PS3 version? Seeing as how its in your sig.

No we have an economic problem in our hands and most people don't worry about shelling out money for the best product they worry about saving money and if as you say it's about value then why did PS 3 outsell the 360 for 8 months when it lowered it's price until 360 decided to lower the xbox to $199 ?

they started to buy the 360 because basically it was cheap

tek91

Because MS prepared for this time frame called the Holiday Shopping season where most people purchase items and sony overlooked it. Are all cows this shortsighted?

It's easy to take an ad hominem position when you're on the defensive.

It's even easier for people to cheer you on because you make a point of sounding gracious or even-handed.

While I'm not sure I can endorse Sony's particular form of criticism, making a chart in regards to the status of their competitors and the respective products is still a valid route.

Informing consumers why they should should buy from them as opposed to Microsoft is nothing to be ashamed about.

greenbergs a troll hes taken the most shots at sony, wen thy come back with something he cant take it, and course the lemmings would agree and talk like ms is the victim and never take shots at sony or nintendo. microsoft are just showing there normal pig ignoranceStacy__Emerson

Who is Sony kidding ? For half PS3 price that Arcade costs, you can have same as PS3 visuals (better in almost all multiplatform games too), and vastly vastly more games, plus infinite more RPG's and huge free roaming worlds, that PS3 can't even touch

Who is Sony kidding ? For half PS3 price that Arcade costs, you can have same as PS3 visuals (better in almost all multiplatform games too), and vastly vastly more games, plus infinite more RPG's and huge free roaming worlds, that PS3 can't even touch

obamanian

You really love that hyperbole don't you? At this point in time, there's nothing more "vast" in regards to the 360's libraryin comparison to the PS3's. A lot of its more notable games can be played on the PC, including Mass Effect and Gears of War--Not to mention it was only a matter of time before Bioshock went to the PS3. Pariah_001

In comparison to the PS3's, not in comparison to the PS3+PC.

Comparing it to the PS3 alone (where those PC/360 shared mutiplat count), the 360 library is considered (by the overall critic) much better.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

You really love that hyperbole don't you? At this point in time, there's nothing more "vast" in regards to the 360's libraryin comparison to the PS3's. A lot of its more notable games can be played on the PC, including Mass Effect and Gears of War--Not to mention it was only a matter of time before Bioshock went to the PS3. IronBass

In comparison to the PS3's, not in comparison to the PS3+PC.

Comparing it to the PS3 alone (where those PC/360 shared mutiplat count), the 360 library is considered (by the overall critic) much better.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

You really love that hyperbole don't you? At this point in time, there's nothing more "vast" in regards to the 360's libraryin comparison to the PS3's. A lot of its more notable games can be played on the PC, including Mass Effect and Gears of War--Not to mention it was only a matter of time before Bioshock went to the PS3. Pariah_001

In comparison to the PS3's, not in comparison to the PS3+PC.

Comparing it to the PS3 alone (where those PC/360 shared mutiplat count), the 360 library is considered (by the overall critic) much better.

Actually, obamanian ( the guy you quoted) didn't use the word "exclusive". He simply said "more games", you used the word "library". Anyway, the critic also agrees that the 360 has more quality exclusives the the PS3.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Actually, obamanian ( the guy you quoted) didn't use the word "exclusive". He simply said "more games", you used the word "library". Anyway, the critic also agrees that the 360 has more quality exclusives the the PS3.Pariah_001

Our point was simply "the 360 has better library than a PS3". We didn't say "the 360 has the best library" neither "the 360 has the best exclusives".

Simple:"the 360 has better library than a PS3". I don't know what has PC to do with that point :|

And, as I already said, the overall critic agrees that the 360 has better exclusives than the PS3, so I can't see your point.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

Too bad he took the cowardly way out

When you have your opponent down you need to be able to finish them. Microsoft had that chance and whoever in charge just wasn't strong enough to get it done.

It's a shame. Hopefully that wont come back to haunt them

AdmiralBison

You should also never let anyone goad you into their fight.