GT5 vs FM3 factsheet (Read first post!!!)

I took a lot of time to put this together. Hope this will curb the amount of FUD posts since all facts are up front.

All things listed are confirmed UNLESS noted. Notes include non-specific sources. Put all future GT5 feature releases in this thread.

Please inform me of any additions/corrections for this list and please post source so I can add them to the list. Thanks! =]

Gran Turismo 5
Staff: ~110 (source PD official site)
New engine? Yes
Time Taken: 5 years
Cars: ~200 premium*
800 standard**
Tracks: 20 Tracks - 70 variations "not finalized"

Features:
Day/Night Cycle
16 vehicles
32 player lobbies
Private lobbies
NASCAR
WRC
Super GT
"Customization"
Career mode
Split Screen
"Track Day" (online customized races)
Photomode/Travel up to 18 mega pixels
Youtube video exporting
GTTV
Weather (Dynamic?)***
Track Creator/Editor***
Go-Karts***
Stunt Arena (gymkhana?)***

Noteable Technical Features:
1080p 2xAA 60fps
720p 4xAA
720p Stereoscopic 3D
Triple screen setup
Head Tracking
Particle Illumination
Custom tire physics engine
Car damage
3D rendered environments
Dynamic Crowd
Dynamic Lighting Engine

Notes:
*Premium cars: Headlights with high beams and low beams, Performance Damage, Dirt, Scratches, and Dents, Dislodging/Deformation of Body Panels
**Standard cars: Standard lights only, Performance Damage, Dirt, Scratches, and Dents, no confirmed cockpit, remastered GT4 models
***"Rumors" derived from interview with Shuhei Yoshida (president of SCE Worldwide Studios, Director of GT5)

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Forza Motorsport 3
Staff: ~300 (source Gamasutra interview with Dan G.)
New engine? No
Time Taken: 2 years
Cars: ~400*
Tracks: 19 Tracks - 102 Track Layouts*

Features:
8 cars
Split screen
Livery Editor
Car Customization
Career mode
Online custom races
Private Lobbies.
Auction House / Storefront
Drag racing
Photomode up to 720p
Video Editor

Notable Technical Features:
720p (upscale to 1080p) 2xAA
Triple screen setup
Custom tire physics engine
Car damage
LOD model swapping
Long draw distance
3D rendered mountains/environments/Trees
Static Lighting Engine

Notes:
*Excludes DLC, Pre-order bonuses

Wow, nice!Wassmansdorff

my fact sheet.

online pedegree forza series: forza 1, forza 2, forza 3.

online pedegree gt series: gt prologue.

if that is not enough to tell you what the dif between these two series will be like then i don't know what else to tell you.

although if you are not into online then you should be golden with gt5

my fact sheet.

online pedegree forza series: forza 1, forza 2, forza 3.

online pedegree gt series: gt prologue.

if that is not enough to tell you what the dif between these two series will be like then i don't know what else to tell you.

although if you are not into online then you should be golden with gt5

Riverwolf007

my fact sheet.

online pedegree forza series: forza 1, forza 2, forza 3.

online pedegree gt series: gt prologue.

if that is not enough to tell you what the dif between these two series will be like then i don't know what else to tell you.

although if you are not into online then you should be golden with gt5

Riverwolf007

do we know if GT5 will have any F1 cars. GT5p had the Ferrari F1 car and the E3 trailer had the Seb Vettel and the Red Bull Racing team so i hope so.

As much as I'm hyped for GT5, It's all about the gameplay experience. Forza 1,2, and 3 all had that. PD had worked 5+ years for GT5, it better deliver.

do we know if GT5 will have any F1 cars. GT5p had the Ferrari F1 car and the E3 trailer had the Seb Vettel and the Red Bull Racing team so i hope so.

Vinegar_Strokes

do we know if GT5 will have any F1 cars. GT5p had the Ferrari F1 car and the E3 trailer had the Seb Vettel and the Red Bull Racing team so i hope so.

Vinegar_Strokes

LOD model swappingzero_snake99

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]LOD model swappingMagik85

GT5 will definitely be the most fully featured and content loaded "sim" racing game. I'd love to see Turn10 take 5 years for the next Forza game and really jam pack it as well since I love the crap out of FM3.

Also, a FM3 feature that could be added is
- Online Storefronts and Auction HouseSaucepanMan

Thanks, I added those. I thought I had that in my initial list, I guess I forgot to write it down =P.

[QUOTE="Magik85"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"]LOD model swappingzero_snake99

great job TC... and please ppl lets just discuss about both games not bash them...

:)

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

my fact sheet.

online pedegree forza series: forza 1, forza 2, forza 3.

online pedegree gt series: gt prologue.

if that is not enough to tell you what the dif between these two series will be like then i don't know what else to tell you.

although if you are not into online then you should be golden with gt5

Wassmansdorff

I doubt Polyphony will be able to beat Forza 3s online integration. Its probably one of the most engenius online components out this gen.

But i can definatly see it comming close if the track editor, customatisation and actualy online races are implemented well.

As much as I'm hyped for GT5, It's all about the gameplay experience. Forza 1,2, and 3 all had that. PD had worked 5+ years for GT5, it better deliver.

SwagSurf

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

As much as I'm hyped for GT5, It's all about the gameplay experience. Forza 1,2, and 3 all had that. PD had worked 5+ years for GT5, it better deliver.

stiggy321

[QUOTE="SwagSurf"]

As much as I'm hyped for GT5, It's all about the gameplay experience. Forza 1,2, and 3 all had that. PD had worked 5+ years for GT5, it better deliver.

stiggy321

You're 100% correct =]. It's the easiest way to compare games. It removes a lot of room of "opinions." I decided to do it this way cuz I'm a factual straight to the point kind of guy lol.

............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?mayceV

didnt Sony teach you anything????

PS3... It only does everything... if you're still sceptic ask kevin Butler he'll show you the light :)

I don't get...why hype Nascar mode when you can only have 16 cars on track?

[QUOTE="mayceV"]............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?Malta_1980

didnt Sony teach you anything????

PS3... It only does everything... if you're still sceptic ask kevin Butler he'll show you the light :)

That 800 standard cars scares me. Are they really going to have 800 cars with no cockpits? That just makes no sense.

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?mayceV

didnt Sony teach you anything????

PS3... It only does everything... if you're still sceptic ask kevin Butler he'll show you the light :)

glad to hear that :)

However judging by gameplay vids shown, i do think PD will deliver both in terms of gameplay & visuals... we'll know that next november once the game gets released :)

That 800 standard cars scares me. Are they really going to have 800 cars with no cockpits? That just makes no sense.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="mayceV"]............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?Malta_1980

didnt Sony teach you anything????

PS3... It only does everything... if you're still sceptic ask kevin Butler he'll show you the light :)

The light at the end of the Move controller.

[QUOTE="mayceV"][QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

didnt Sony teach you anything????

PS3... It only does everything... if you're still sceptic ask kevin Butler he'll show you the light :)

glad to hear that :)

However judging by gameplay vids shown, i do think PD will deliver both in terms of gameplay & visuals... we'll know that next november once the game gets released :)

............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?mayceV

Keep in mind that fillrate is ONLY from the GPU. Every 1st party studio has implemented the Cell into their graphical process. I mean... look.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?zero_snake99

Keep in mind that fillrate is ONLY from the GPU. Every 1st party studio has implemented the Cell into their graphical process. I mean... look.

Good use of LOD probably.

[QUOTE="mayceV"]............ is it possible to have 16 cars with 400k polygons per car on the Ps3? my calcutlations say other wise... not trying to bash the game Just being catious. because the Ps3 can put 275 Million polys on the screen. put that over 60 since the game doesn't run at 1 frame per second, it runs a 60 (theoretically) so 275Million/60 = 4.5833 million. put that over 16 for the number of cars and 4.58333million /16 = 286,458. and thats without couting the fact that theres a track that needs to be rendered with polygons as well. and there's also the problem of theoretical power never being reached in real life. does anyone else find this kinda fishy? I'm not saying that the game will look bad it look magnifecient but 60FPS with a polycount that goes that much higher than theoretical power?zero_snake99

Keep in mind that fillrate is ONLY from the GPU. Every 1st party studio has implemented the Cell into their graphical process. I mean... look.

this comparison makes FM3 looks very tiny .... lol.

this comparison makes FM3 looks very tiny .... lol.

2mrw

Excelent thread TC, I hope fanboys don't ruin this....

this comparison makes FM3 looks very tiny .... lol.

[QUOTE="racing1750"][QUOTE="2mrw"]

this comparison makes FM3 looks very tiny .... lol.

2mrw

So when taking out all the features that the two share, you are left with GT5: Day/Night Cycle 16 vehicles 32 player lobbies Private lobbies NASCAR WRC Super GT Youtube video exporting GTTV Weather (Dynamic?)*** Track Creator/Editor*** Go-Karts*** Stunt Arena (gymkhana?)*** Forza 3: 8 cars Livery Editor Drag racingda-KGB-

I took a lot of time to put this together. Hope this will curb the amount of FUD posts since all facts are up front.

All things listed are confirmed UNLESS noted. Notes include non-specific sources. Put all future GT5 feature releases in this thread.

Please inform me of any additions/corrections for this list and please post source so I can add them to the list. Thanks! =]

Gran Turismo 5
Staff: ~110 (source PD official site)
New engine? Yes
Time Taken: 5 years
Cars: ~200 premium*
800 standard**
Tracks: 20 Tracks - 70 variations "not finalized"

Features:
Day/Night Cycle
16 vehicles
32 player lobbies
Private lobbies
NASCAR
WRC
Super GT
"Customization"
Career mode
Split Screen
"Track Day" (online customized races)
Photomode/Travel up to 18 mega pixels
Youtube video exporting
GTTV
Weather (Dynamic?)***
Track Creator/Editor***
Go-Karts***
Stunt Arena (gymkhana?)***

Noteable Technical Features:
1080p 2xAA 60fps
720p 4xAA
720p Stereoscopic 3D
Triple screen setup
Head Tracking
Particle Illumination
Custom tire physics engine
Car damage
3D rendered environments
Dynamic Crowd
Dynamic Lighting Engine

Notes:
*Premium cars: Headlights with high beams and low beams, Performance Damage, Dirt, Scratches, and Dents, Dislodging/Deformation of Body Panels
**Standard cars: Standard lights only, Performance Damage, Dirt, Scratches, and Dents, no confirmed cockpit, remastered GT4 models
***"Rumors" derived from interview with Shuhei Yoshida (president of SCE Worldwide Studios, Director of GT5)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Forza Motorsport 3
Staff: ~300 (source Gamasutra interview with Dan G.)
New engine? No
Time Taken: 2 years
Cars: ~400*
Tracks: 19 Tracks - 102 Track Layouts*

Features:
8 cars
Split screen
Livery Editor
Car Customization
Career mode
Online custom races
Auction House / Storefront
Drag racing
Photomode up to 720p

Notable Technical Features:
720p (upscale to 1080p) 2xAA
Triple screen setup
Custom tire physics engine
Car damage
LOD model swapping
Long draw distance
3D rendered mountains/environments/Trees
Static Lighting Engine

Notes:
*Excludes DLC, Pre-order bonuses

awesome. GT5 looks to be the ULTIMATE driving/racing experience. FM3 was/is an awesome game... but it looks like Polyphony is stepping up the plate with all the intention and ability to hit it right out of the park.0rin

As President of SCE Shuhei Yoshida says: The Definitive Gaming Experience

Why is private lobbies listed as a feature for GT5, private lobbies arent new or special. (hint: they're in Forza)