GT5 vs FM3 factsheet (Read first post!!!)

Excelent thread TC, I hope fanboys don't ruin this....

GT5 was announced in 2006, Wouldn't that put dev time at 4 years?

Why is private lobbies listed as a feature for GT5, private lobbies arent new or special. (hint: they're in Forza)

Snugenz

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Why is private lobbies listed as a feature for GT5, private lobbies arent new or special. (hint: they're in Forza)

zero_snake99

Not that i'm aware of.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Why is private lobbies listed as a feature for GT5, private lobbies arent new or special. (hint: they're in Forza)

Snugenz

Not that i'm aware of.

The big difference between these two games is the fact Forza 3 was turned out in 2 years, and ended up being a grossly better game than its predecessor in all regards. GT5 has taken nearly 6 years to make, so I would hope that all these extra features would make it into the final product... because if all they spent that time on was matching Forza, they didn't need to waste 4 years.

I personally don't think development team size makes much of a difference. It all depends on the skill of the team itself. I would posit that less time to make a quality product is more noteworthy than lots of time to make a similar quality product (if only marginally better in most areas).

GT5 was announced in 2006, Wouldn't that put dev time at 4 years?

Jesus_on_fire

The big difference between these two games is the fact Forza 3 was turned out in 2 years, and ended up being a grossly better game than its predecessor in all regards. GT5 has taken nearly 6 years to make, so I would hope that all these extra features would make it into the final product... because if all they spent that time on was matching Forza, they didn't need to waste 4 years.

I personally don't think development team size makes much of a difference. It all depends on the skill of the team itself. I would posit that less time to make a quality product is more noteworthy than lots of time to make a similar quality product (if only marginally better in most areas).

foxhound_fox

Also how does development team size not make a difference at all to how quickly a product can be made. :/

The big difference between these two games is the fact Forza 3 was turned out in 2 years, and ended up being a grossly better game than its predecessor in all regards. GT5 has taken nearly 6 years to make, so I would hope that all these extra features would make it into the final product... because if all they spent that time on was matching Forza, they didn't need to waste 4 years.

I personally don't think development team size makes much of a difference. It all depends on the skill of the team itself. I would posit that less time to make a quality product is more noteworthy than lots of time to make a similar quality product (if only marginally better in most areas).

[QUOTE="Jesus_on_fire"]

GT5 was announced in 2006, Wouldn't that put dev time at 4 years?

foxhound_fox

I'm pretty sure that the game was delayed so long because of the 3D integration.

Was Forza 3 created in a vacuum, or perhaps, perhaps, did the development of Forza 2, building an engine, making models/assets, contribute to the development of Forza 3?

Also how does development team size not make a difference at all to how quickly a product can be made. :/

shinrabanshou

I was so close to buying a 360 for Forza 3. Glad I didn't now.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Was Forza 3 created in a vacuum, or perhaps, perhaps, did the development of Forza 2, building an engine, making models/assets, contribute to the development of Forza 3?

Also how does development team size not make a difference at all to how quickly a product can be made. :/

foxhound_fox

You've been cynical and condescending of Gran Turismo this entire gen. That's all gravy, its your thing :). But now that we have official news of what the heck Polyphony has been up to all these years, what do you think of the product they are ready to ship in Nov. 2010? I think it's the bizness :D!

As a hardcore racing fan, are you interested in these features? Interested in the game at all?

isn't their a track editor in GT5?caseypayne69

1080p 2xAA 60fps
720p 4xAA
720p Stereoscopic 3D

why so many resolutions? I understand the 3d, is it 720 only when in 3d?

I'm more interested in GT5 vs FM4, which is slated for a 2011 release.

I'm more interested in GT5 vs FM4, which is slated for a 2011 release.

topgunmv

3 Forza's in 1 gen? If MS wants that franchise to be long running they'd better give it a break for a while :?

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

my fact sheet.

online pedegree forza series: forza 1, forza 2, forza 3.

online pedegree gt series: gt prologue.

if that is not enough to tell you what the dif between these two series will be like then i don't know what else to tell you.

although if you are not into online then you should be golden with gt5

AncientDozer

1080p 2xAA 60fps
720p 4xAA
720p Stereoscopic 3D

why so many resolutions? I understand the 3d, is it 720 only when in 3d?

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I'm more interested in GT5 vs FM4, which is slated for a 2011 release.

EliteKitteh

3 Forza's in 1 gen? If MS wants that franchise to be long running they'd better give it a break for a while :?

[QUOTE="topgunmv"] Yes. I mentioned all the different resolutions because the Anti Aliasing changes for each resolution But yeah, 3D is only available in 720p, but I'm not 100% sure if it has 2xAA or no AA when in 3D mode.

[QUOTE="EliteKitteh"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I'm more interested in GT5 vs FM4, which is slated for a 2011 release.

EliteKitteh

3 Forza's in 1 gen? If MS wants that franchise to be long running they'd better give it a break for a while :?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Was Forza 3 created in a vacuum, or perhaps, perhaps, did the development of Forza 2, building an engine, making models/assets, contribute to the development of Forza 3?

Also how does development team size not make a difference at all to how quickly a product can be made. :/

foxhound_fox

I read "quality product" I still don't see how development team size doesn't make a difference at all to how quickly a "quality product" can be made.

That's a cool stat no one ever talks about. 3 times as many people.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]
Forza 2 took two years to make (2 came out almost exactly 2 years after the first one). :|

Read: "quality product" not just "product"

foxhound_fox

I read "quality product" I still don't see how development team size doesn't make a difference at all to how quickly a "quality product" can be made.

That's a cool stat no one ever talks about. 3 times as many people.

LOXO7

Seems like people would rather post in fanboy threads than one with facts, oh well, I tried.zero_snake99

Most people know, hence the hate threads.

Only thing I am trying to decide is how early I buy a new GT wheel. It's gonna be hard to find come Nov 2nd :P

I like the one Feature Forza has over GT5, you can play the damn game. HoolaHoopMan

The employee list is rather slanted. The interview with Dan G. says 300 employees, but that includes people outside the company, including translation and localization staff, while PD's list only includes their staff.

Basically accurate otherwise, now if they could just release the damn game :x

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]Seems like people would rather post in fanboy threads than one with facts, oh well, I tried.FragTycoon

Most people know, hence the hate threads.

Only thing I am trying to decide is how early I buy a new GT wheel. It's gonna be hard to find come Nov 2nd :P

The employee list is rather slanted. The interview with Dan G. says 300 employees, but that includes people outside the company, including translation and localization staff, while PD's list only includes their staff.

Basically accurate otherwise, now if they could just release the damn game :x

Vaasman

Features: GTA5 release date: November 2010 Forza 3 release date: September 2009 Forza wins.KittenWishes

thats like saying COD 4 is better then MW2 since it came out first, fail logic is fail

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Features: GTA5 release date: November 2010 Forza 3 release date: September 2009 Forza wins.hyperboy152000

thats like saying COD 4 is better then MW2 since it came out first, fail logic is fail

Fact: Fortza motorsports is the greatest ice track racing game ever created.

Fact: GT5 is the greatest racing game that isn't out.

But really, the games cant be compared. Most of GT5 hasn't even been shown.

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]Wow, nice!zero_snake99

Fact: Fortza motorsports is the greatest ice track racing game ever created.

Fact: GT5 is the greatest racing game that isn't out.

But really, the games cant be compared. Most of GT5 hasn't even been shown.

hoola

My fact sheet

Forza has outscored GT series since time began.

Forza has consistently improved while GT series seems stuck in nuetral improving Bullshots and adding 350 Minivans, Go Carts, Nascar and stuff you will NEVER use.

case in point..Electronic Arts walked AWAY from the Nascar Liscence.

ELECTRONIC ARTS!!! what does that say about Nascars perceived value if the greediest publisher in gaming history took a pass?

GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument. it will need to be the end all be all of racing sims and it will be brutally compaired to Forza 3.

you wont be able to fool the gaming Press and media again with '' graphics '' like you did in 2009 with Uncharted 2.

GT5 has to deliver in all areas to even continue being a contender in this fight.

im rooting for you Polyphony Digital.

but thats all......

GT5 could be amazing although they keep adding and adding and tbh I know from experince once you add lots of stuff to the game like different vehicles etc you dont always get the right phyics, past GT games havnt always got it right, Dirt2 was laughable for their trucks etc.

Hopefully its awesome because it wont dent Forzas success :)

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"] Took me an hour initially, and I've been making revisions since yesterday... lol.

chris_yz80

My fact sheet

Forza has outscored GT series since time began.

Forza has consistently improved while GT series seems stuck in nuetral improving Bullshots and adding 350 Minivans, Go Carts, Nascar and stuff you will NEVER use.

case in point..Electronic Arts walked AWAY from the Nascar Liscence.

ELECTRONIC ARTS!!! what does that say about Nascars perceived value if the greediest publisher in gaming history took a pass?

GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument. it will need to be the end all be all of racing sims and it will be brutally compaired to Forza 3.

you wont be able to fool the gaming Press and media again with '' graphics '' like you did in 2009 with Uncharted 2.

GT5 has to deliver in all areas to even continue being a contender in this fight.

im rooting for you Polyphony Digital.

but thats all......

bryn8150

[QUOTE="chris_yz80"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] you forgot v8 supercars for forzazero_snake99

My fact sheet

Forza has outscored GT series since time began.

Forza has consistently improved while GT series seems stuck in nuetral improving Bullshots and adding 350 Minivans, Go Carts, Nascar and stuff you will NEVER use.

case in point..Electronic Arts walked AWAY from the Nascar Liscence.

ELECTRONIC ARTS!!! what does that say about Nascars perceived value if the greediest publisher in gaming history took a pass?

GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument. it will need to be the end all be all of racing sims and it will be brutally compaired to Forza 3.

you wont be able to fool the gaming Press and media again with '' graphics '' like you did in 2009 with Uncharted 2.

GT5 has to deliver in all areas to even continue being a contender in this fight.

im rooting for you Polyphony Digital.

but thats all......

bryn8150

• Forza's last 3 games were AAA and GT's were not
• Forza has consistently improved, garnering consistant AAA reviews. GT5 has delayed it's release by adding potentially (we shall see...) uninteresting additional racing modes like Go Carts, NASCAR and WRC thatmay not be quite as polished as it's main racing modes - NASCAR with 16 cars? WRC better have good damage simulation.
• Electronic Arts dropped the NASCAR license. Most likely because the NASCAR games didn't sell well.
• Why add NASCAR to a GT game? Seriously?
• GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument.
• GT5 better drive pretty as well as look pretty.
• I'm rooting for you Polyphony Digital. I wouldn't want the pressure.

Features: GTA5 release date: November 2010 Forza 3 release date: September 2009 Forza wins.KittenWishes

thats like saying COD 4 is better then MW2 since it came out first, fail logic is fail

At this point, GT5 has lost much of its cache to FM3.

It really needs to show us the they have a good grasp of online and community, not to mention its accessibility.

GT5 could be amazing although they keep adding and adding and tbh I know from experince once you add lots of stuff to the game like different vehicles etc you dont always get the right phyics, past GT games havnt always got it right, Dirt2 was laughable for their trucks etc.

o0squishy0o

I don't think DiRT was meant to be a full-on simulation. GRID certainly isn't. Both are still some of my favorite racing games though.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="chris_yz80"] That's not a license they have. They only have the stock car model in which you can throw decals on. [QUOTE="bryn8150"]

My fact sheet

Forza has outscored GT series since time began.

Forza has consistently improved while GT series seems stuck in nuetral improving Bullshots and adding 350 Minivans, Go Carts, Nascar and stuff you will NEVER use.

case in point..Electronic Arts walked AWAY from the Nascar Liscence.

ELECTRONIC ARTS!!! what does that say about Nascars perceived value if the greediest publisher in gaming history took a pass?

GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument. it will need to be the end all be all of racing sims and it will be brutally compaired to Forza 3.

you wont be able to fool the gaming Press and media again with '' graphics '' like you did in 2009 with Uncharted 2.

GT5 has to deliver in all areas to even continue being a contender in this fight.

im rooting for you Polyphony Digital.

but thats all......

KingTuttle

• Forza's last 3 games were AAA and GT's were not Is it fact that they scored AAA? Yes, are the scores based on facts? NO. Opinion
• Forza has consistently improved, garnering consistant AAA reviews. GT5 has delayed it's release by adding potentially (we shall see...) uninteresting additional racing modes like Go Carts, NASCAR and WRC thatmay not be quite as polished as it's main racing modes - NASCAR with 16 cars? WRC better have good damage simulation. Uninteresting game modes? Opinion
• Electronic Arts dropped the NASCAR license. Most likely because the NASCAR games didn't sell well. Speculation.
• Why add NASCAR to a GT game? Seriously? Question?
• GT5 will need 10's or better to end this argument.Reviews are based on opinions.
• GT5 better drive pretty as well as look pretty. Opinion
• I'm rooting for you Polyphony Digital. I wouldn't want the pressure. Yet again no comparable facts here.

Let me fix this for you since this is a "fact" sheet. I hate to sound mean but seriously, I make a fact thread to compare FACTS not opinions, speculation or ask questions about why they added a feature.

IF you want to ask why PD added NASCAR, look into the FACTS that NASCAR is the LARGEST motorsport in the United States.

These simple things can be avoided just by doing that.