GTA IV is SMALLER THAN SAN ANDREAS!!!11!!!

I am sick of this.

1. more detail in presumaly less space, how is this a bad thing?
   
2. they need to learn how to use next gen hardware, if they make their greatest game first, wat about GTAV??
3. AND CAN ANYONE LINK TO WHERE IT SAYS THAT IT IS SPECIFICALLY SMALLER THAN SAN ANDREAS? ...because all i have been able to find is that it is one city, not spcifically smaller than SA. 

Well it couldve been bigger if it was built from the ground up for blu-ray

but lemmings will just say thats false Squall_Griver

Summary from GTA Legends Union (it's also on Kotaku and a few other websites. Gamespot also has GTAIV details stating GTAIV is smaller than SA):

» The protagonist's name is Niko Bellic - an Eastern European immigrant who has come to Liberty City to live the "American Dream." The game is set in Liberty City in 2007, but it is bigger than the Liberty City we saw in GTA III.

» The GTA 4 equivalent of the Statue of Liberty is called the Statue of Happiness... Broker is the GTA IV equivalent of Brooklyn, Manhattan is now called Algonquin, Queens is now Dukes, the Bronx is Bohan, and New Jersey is Alderney. The map is smaller than San Andreas, but considerably more detailed. No countryside or desert, we are led to believe.

» Rockstar is giving its players more freedom, more choice, and more sense of control over their destiny - the structure of GTA4's storyline is quite different to it's predecessors as it can be told in a number of different ways. You can talk to people in person, by cell phones, and there are a bunch of other ways of giving the player information... In previous GTA games you were like a slave because you had to constantly take orders from people when doing missions. There is still an element of that in Grand Theft Auto 4, but you can also choose how you want to spend your time...

» There are no planes in GTA IV because there is only one city, and Rockstar want the game to seem realistic. That means there will be no rollerblades, no unicycles, probably no jetpacks and indeed no planes. Rockstar are giving choice and variety which feels right for the character. However there will be motorbikes.

» After an initial load sequence, the game will never load again. Not even during exterior-interior transitions (and vice versa).

» Both versions of the game (Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3) will likely be identical, but the Xbox 360 version will have exclusive downloadable episodic (sizeable) content. Rockstar have now spent over 3 years developing the game, and Dan Houser compares the leap from GTA III to GTA IV, to the leap from GTA to GTA III.

» GTA IV will have multiplayer, but it's not going to be a massively multiplayer online game, says Dan Houser. They are trying to make something that is interesting, fun, progressive and which goes along nicely with the single-player game.

Don't underestimate Rockstar. Just because the map is smaller it doesn't mean the game won't be fantastic. 

Well it couldve been bigger if it was built from the ground up for blu-ray

but lemmings will just say thats false Squall_Griver

Thats because it is false.

Summary from GTA Legends Union (it's also on Kotaku and a few other websites. Gamespot also has GTAIV details stating GTAIV is smaller than SA):

» The protagonist's name is Niko Bellic - an Eastern European immigrant who has come to Liberty City to live the "American Dream." The game is set in Liberty City in 2007, but it is bigger than the Liberty City we saw in GTA III.

» The GTA 4 equivalent of the Statue of Liberty is called the Statue of Happiness... Broker is the GTA IV equivalent of Brooklyn, Manhattan is now called Algonquin, Queens is now Dukes, the Bronx is Bohan, and New Jersey is Alderney. The map is smaller than San Andreas, but considerably more detailed. No countryside or desert, we are led to believe.

» Rockstar is giving its players more freedom, more choice, and more sense of control over their destiny - the structure of GTA4's storyline is quite different to it's predecessors as it can be told in a number of different ways. You can talk to people in person, by cell phones, and there are a bunch of other ways of giving the player information... In previous GTA games you were like a slave because you had to constantly take orders from people when doing missions. There is still an element of that in Grand Theft Auto 4, but you can also choose how you want to spend your time...

» There are no planes in GTA IV because there is only one city, and Rockstar want the game to seem realistic. That means there will be no rollerblades, no unicycles, probably no jetpacks and indeed no planes. Rockstar are giving choice and variety which feels right for the character. However there will be motorbikes.

» After an initial load sequence, the game will never load again. Not even during exterior-interior transitions (and vice versa).

» Both versions of the game (Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3) will likely be identical, but the Xbox 360 version will have exclusive downloadable episodic (sizeable) content. Rockstar have now spent over 3 years developing the game, and Dan Houser compares the leap from GTA III to GTA IV, to the leap from GTA to GTA III.

» GTA IV will have multiplayer, but it's not going to be a massively multiplayer online game, says Dan Houser. They are trying to make something that is interesting, fun, progressive and which goes along nicely with the single-player game.

 

 

 

Don't underestimate Rockstar. Just because the map is smaller it doesn't mean the game won't be fantastic.

the-very-best

Of course it will be smaller, but who cares..... I didn't like driving around the countryside anyway!  And even if it is smaller, we dont know its gonna be smaller due to a lack of space on a  DVD9, it might just be a developers decision not to inlcude miles of nothingness like in San Andreas!

I find it funny that people are making fun of the PS3 based on actual FACTS... like game library or a lack there-of! and loss of exclusives!

But when they try to bash the 360 its all rumor and hear-say, nothing factual whatsoever.... how sad!  "Go play your over priced machine...... Oh... whats that??.... You have nothing to play??  Ahh.... too bad!"

Well it couldve been bigger if it was built from the ground up for blu-ray

but lemmings will just say thats false Squall_Griver

Games have budgets and deadlines you know.  Just because the space is there doesn't mean the developers (even presumably big ones like Rockstar) have the time and money to fill all that space with compelling content.

If GTA IV is, lets say, 20% smaller land mass than San Andreas, but packs in 5x the level of detail and interactivity, is it really smaller? 

the one line that interests me is this one: WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE
darrowby88

That line is only referring to the "no countryside or desert". The map is definitely smaller than SA according to Rockstar.

People need to chill. SA was freakin huge and there was so much country. If they get rid of all the country for GTAIV and make the map slightly smaller then that's pretty damn good in my view.

when SA was announced, didnt we all think it was just a LA city they showed in the trailer?darrowby88

Yeah, they only showed off Los Santos originally.

However, Rockstar have confirmed GTAIV is only set in a reworked Liberty City. Unless they're lying to us now to shock us later it seems likely that GTAIV is just NY. 

Well it couldve been bigger if it was built from the ground up for blu-ray

but lemmings will just say thats false Squall_Griver

To keep all realism in play here, I have to say that I do not believe 360 is making this game smaller because of the DVD9.  I think it this way because its the first GTA on the next gen consoles.  There was a lot to do to get the game so it could release on both consoles at the same time.

Now, GTA 5 may be a different story.  It remains to be seen.

Personally smaller and more detailed sounds much more perferable. I disliked the scope of SA.cakeorrdeath

I agree.

Hopefully climbing (through the interiors) to the tops of the tallest buildings will make up for a lack of planes as well.

To keep all realism in play here, I have to say that I do not believe 360 is making this game smaller because of the DVD9. I think it this way because its the first GTA on the next gen consoles. There was a lot to do to get the game so it could release on both consoles at the same time.

Now, GTA 5 may be a different story. It remains to be seen.dubvisions

An intelligent post from a PS3 fan, I like it. 

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]Well it couldve been bigger if it was built from the ground up for blu-ray

but lemmings will just say thats false dubvisions

To keep all realism in play here, I have to say that I do not believe 360 is making this game smaller because of the DVD9.  I think it this way because its the first GTA on the next gen consoles.  There was a lot to do to get the game so it could release on both consoles at the same time.

Now, GTA 5 may be a different story.  It remains to be seen.

If they PS3 and the blue-ray is so great then why is 360 getting the exclusive downloadable episodic (sizeable) content. Eltroz

Simple MS paid to have exclusive content on the system just like sony payed for a timed exclusivity of gta III and vice city. the dl content has nothing to do with blu ray. As for the statement that the game would be bigger if built from the ground up using blu ray well maybe thats true but its not being made from the ground up so we'll never know so the ifs, buts, and maybes are not really solid arguments and I'm a sony supporter.

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]If the PS3 and the blue-ray is so great then why is 360 getting the exclusive downloadable episodic (sizeable) content. Citan_Uzuki

Simple MS paid to have exclusive content on the system just like sony payed for a timed exclusivity of gta III and vice city. the dl content has nothing to do with blu ray. As for the statement that the game would be bigger if built from the ground up using blu ray well maybe thats true but its not being made from the ground up so we'll never know so the ifs, buts, and maybes are not really solid arguments and I'm a sony supporter.