GTA4 the big fricking elephant everyone is ignoring.

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

[QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

X3k2007

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Yeah I get what your saying - but from my point of view I buy A console to play games - and play games only

Personally I dont care about the Blu-ray player (or for that matter the HD-DVD addon)

Wi-fi is overrated I think - Hardline is far better

And as for the charged online - Live is far better than PSN and for £40 a year which equates to what something like 70p a week (correct me if Im wrong - Im shocking at maths:lol:)

[QUOTE="NightMorning"][QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

X3k2007

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Yeah I get what your saying - but from my point of view I buy A console to play games - and play games only

Personally I dont care about the Blu-ray player (or for that matter the HD-DVD addon)

Wi-fi is overrated I think - Hardline is far better

And as for the charged online - Live is far better than PSN and for £40 a year which equates to what something like 70p a week (correct me if Im wrong - Im shocking at maths:lol:)

How can the casual play games if there console dies on them? O_o

Why would they put themselves though that pain?

349$ and it all of a sudden just dies on them.

If the trend with multiplatform games turning out better 360 continues until GTAIV is released, I will go for the 360 version.

It'll sell more 360s and it'll also sell more software wise on the 360.

the simple fact is that the 360 will the cheapest way to play GTA4, but it will also be the best version of GTA4 due to exsclusive DLC. The whole "associated with the playstation brand" is complete nonsense.It hasnt worked on any of the old playstation franchises yet.Casuals dont care about what brand they play games, all they look for is the cheapest consoles with the most games.

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"][QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Yeah I get what your saying - but from my point of view I buy A console to play games - and play games only

Personally I dont care about the Blu-ray player (or for that matter the HD-DVD addon)

Wi-fi is overrated I think - Hardline is far better

And as for the charged online - Live is far better than PSN and for £40 a year which equates to what something like 70p a week (correct me if Im wrong - Im shocking at maths:lol:)

How can the casual play games if there console dies on them? O_o

Why would they put themselves though that pain?

349$ and it all of a sudden just dies on them.

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

while that's obviously true, casuals dont' think that way, at least not the vast majority.

they will see 349 vs 400 and pick 349.

- but from my point of view I buy A console to play games - and play games only

Personally I dont care about the Blu-ray player (or for that matter the HD-DVD addon)

Wi-fi is overrated I think - Hardline is far better

And as for the charged online - Live is far better than PSN and for £40 a year which equates to what something like 70p a week (correct me if Im wrong - Im shocking at maths:lol:)

X3k2007

Based on what I hear when I talk to my brother and his friends, as well as my cousin who has always bought ALL consoles (keep in mind, all were very pro-Xbox last gen)...they all either say the PS3 is the better console to own or that the PS3 is the superior hardware and worth owning solely for that reason.

They will all say that 360 has the games NOW, but the PS3 is just the superior machine and has some good games now but the TRUE stupidity is the people who think the PS3 library will always be poor to mediocre instead of growing and improving.

When I see a former Xbox fan who buys both consoles tell me that the PS3 is better...that is saying something. And while I am certain you will just assume I am making this up, you have to keep in mind that the PS is still a very strong brand and has a base of over 200 million consoles. People DO have some level of trust for that. It won't last if SOny continues to screw up, but to say that because the 360 has a strong library now, that must somehow mean the PS3 library will always suck or be inferior...that is pretty narrow minded and short sighted if you ask me. Unlike us gaming nerds, the casual gamer MAJORITY doesn't care about AAA ratings. They don't spend every penny they have on games, so most casuals only need a couple really good games - whichthe PS3 has - and they pad that out with sports games, or even BR movies.

Well, I for one still find myself associating the GTA name with Playstation personally, so it will be a no brainer for which version I will pick up. It is just a series that I have enjoyed since PS1, so it is only natural that I will pick it up for the PS3. It is just one of those series that will always be a Playstation series to me, despite the fact that it is multiplat. I imagine that alot of old GTA fans will feel this way as well.

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

It depends is the elephant pink?

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Hey....Spiderman 3 is a good movie.

I think that the fact that the vast majority of casual gamers currently own a playstation 2 and will own( and love) the gta games on this console, then they will buy the ps3 and that version.They will be comfortable with the ps3 controller and the whole brand, rather than taking a risk with the error prone 360 and its spaceship uglycontroller

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

doesnt play any BC games

1 or 2 decent games where as 360 has dozens

Crappy online compared to 360

No rumble unless you buy overpriced controllers

Less powerful than 360

360 349$

Fully BC

10000x better games

Long warrenty

Better online.

More Powerful hardware

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

[QUOTE="NightMorning"][QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

novasypder77

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

doesnt play any BC games

1 or 2 decent games where as 360 has dozens

Crappy online compared to 360

No rumble unless you buy overpriced controllers

Less powerful than 360

360 349$

Fully BC

10000x better games

Long warrenty

Better online.

More Powerful hardware

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

The ps3 is slightly more powerful than the Xbox 360. I thought that would be common knowledge among gamers now.

[QUOTE="NightMorning"][QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

novasypder77

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

doesnt play any BC games

1 or 2 decent games where as 360 has dozens

Crappy online compared to 360

No rumble unless you buy overpriced controllers

Less powerful than 360

360 349$ $50, seriously price of a game

Fully BC- very few casual gamers have x-boxs, so completly useless

10000x better games, only if you life fps or rubbish rpg's, casual gamers like sports sims, and gta

Long warrenty, haha just cause it is essential when ur console breaks every week

Better online. and more expensive, home will catch up

More Powerful hardware, incorrect and casuals will not be investigating the detailed specs of their machines, if they did the 360 would have no chance

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

[/QUO

GTA series on PS2 sold more than xbox, it even sold more than the total amount of xbox's. I think it will definately help Playstation 3 more.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]GTA series on PS2 sold more than xbox, it even sold more than the total amount of xbox's. I think it will definately help Playstation 3 more.BuryMe

lol, no one cares about downloadable "chapters" There isn't even any info on them. The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow. Especially since it will be running off the steam of Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4.

PS2 completly wrecked 360 and only a small % of its owners bought GTAIII

Trying to make a comparison based on what has happened in the past isn't really possible. Less copies of GTA were sold on the Xbox, this is true.

Firstly GTA was a huge title among casuals, and being a timed exclusive it was always going to be favoured on the PS2. Now that it will be released at the same time on both means that the Playstation has lost its advantage in this area.

Secondly the 360 version has exclusive content of some nature, if this is a big enough deal and enough is made of it by Microsoft and their advertising campaign then this will certainly even things up further.

In short Sony have lost a lot of its advantage, and with a smaller fanbase it will certainly be an interesting contest. Right now I'm going to sit on the fence, it's difficult to see which will benefit the most.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]GTA series on PS2 sold more than xbox, it even sold more than the total amount of xbox's. I think it will definately help Playstation 3 more.Adrian_Cloud

lol, no one cares about downloadable "chapters" There isn't even any info on them. The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow. Especially since it will be running off the steam of Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4.

PS2 completly wrecked 360 and only a small % of its owners bought GTAIII

come on comparing next gen consoles. and also ofcourse gta3 would have lower sales on the xbox, since it had a smaller user base, and basically everyone had played it on the ps2.

lol, no one cares about downloadable "chapters" There isn't even any info on them. Adrian_Cloud

wht makes you think no one cares about them?

The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow.

Adrian_Cloud

ehm... what?

I don't know. Don't really care either, but...

I don't think that it is a system seller, to be perfectly honest. I know its a software mover, but I don't really think it moves the systems themselves.

I think that the fact that the vast majority of casual gamers currently own a playstation 2 and will own( and love) the gta games on this console, then they will buy the ps3 and that version.They will be comfortable with the ps3 controller and the whole brand, rather than taking a risk with the error prone 360 and its spaceship uglycontroller

5starsteve

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

360 and it won't be close. If you care to make it interesting I'll go on bets with you. I am undefeated when it comes to system wars bets though, be warned.

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

NightMorning

I dont think casuals care less about blu-ray, to be honest. It's like bundling in a controller specially made for people with no thumbs; about 1% of the population will appreciate it.

I think that the fact that the vast majority of casual gamers currently own a playstation 2 and will own( and love) the gta games on this console, then they will buy the ps3 and that version.They will be comfortable with the ps3 controller and the whole brand, rather than taking a risk with the error prone 360 and its spaceship uglycontroller

5starsteve

The 360 controller is the best ever made (not including the wii). Dont be in such denial.

The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow.

Adrian_Cloud

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Somebody HAS to sig that.

I get the impression that R* is going to take M$ money and run after putting out GTA4 for the 360. They've already committed 2 new franchises to PS3 exclusively, and mostly have been focusing on Wii/PS2/DS as of late. Maybe it's got to do with Peter Moore leaving, but I dunno.

Anyway, its going to move PS3's for sure. There's far too many PS2 gamers (casuals? whatever) on the fence, that either don't care for 360 or Halo, heard it breaks down too much, or just know the PlayStation brand too well to go with anything else. Advertising DLC is great and all but unless Microsoft plans to give it away free (not likely) I doubt it'll make much of an impact. However I'm sure it'll sell well to the installed 360 base.

Now hopefully the R* Store actually cancelled my GTA4 360 order since I decided to buy it for PS3 instead after the delays.

If the 360 version clearly advertises its bonus content, then that's an easy win for Microsoft.Planeforger

yeah that would be a very smart move..

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow.

Ninja-Vox

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Somebody HAS to sig that.

LMFAO

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Actually, casuals are that stupid. Nobod ever lost money underestimating people's intelligence.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]

The fact that 360 has a "larger" install base just proves that it will help the PS3 more. Since it has a low install base, it has more potential to grow.

Ninja-Vox

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Somebody HAS to sig that.

I have mate

[QUOTE="X3k2007"][QUOTE="NightMorning"]

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Yeah I think they do associate GTA more with Playstation

But who in their right mind is gonna walk into a store to buy GTA4 and look at both consoles and choose the one with the higher price sticker on it

Well apart from idiots

Think of the bigger picture though.

PS3 399$

Blu-ray Player

Wi-fi

Doesn't RROD or breakdown

Free online

360 349$

DVD player

no Wi-fi

RROD

Charged online.

Casuals maybe stupid but not that stupid.

GTA4 for a new comer to the next gen PS3 is prolly the best bang for there buck.

for 50$ more you are getting way more then the 360 is offering in terms of realiablity, Media functions 20 extra GB and not to mention a free Spiderman 3 Blu-ray pack in

Stupid casuals loves there Spiderman 3....

Fear will bite the casuals and ultimately convince the them to opt for a PS3 instead.

Which will GTA4 help sell more of? Console wise not software sales.

PS3 or Xbox 360?

Do most causals associate GTA with the Playstation name?

NightMorning

Well I guess the 360 because it will have exclusive content.

Judging by how GTA lll, Vice City and San: Andreas sold on the Xbox, it'll sell more PS3s.ball_of_air

GTA on the xbox didn't sell as well on the Xbox as on the PS2 because it was out on the PS2 months before hand and the PS2 had such a death grip on the market at that time. Now its different, a lot different.