GTHD Is a tech demo ENOUGH ALREADY~

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#1 Radeon_X1950XTX
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i hate it when cows say GtHD owns pgr3 and forza 2, GTHD IS JUST A TECH DEMO, NOT EVEN A GAME! ther isnt any AI running in GTHD, its just you, driving around by yourself, TECH DEMOS are suppose to look amazing(with a few tricks to get the graphics like that)

proof
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_dawndemo_home.html -graphics were generated with Geforce FX 5200, amazing character model (how come i dont see that when i game with the FX5200?) its a tech demo!

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_nalu_downloads.html (6800) -again you dont see these kinds of character models in any game and this card is 2 generations behind as of now

this goes to show you that you shouldnt compare a tech demo(GTHD) to a game(forza2, pgr)

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#2 LosDaddie
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GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

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#3 Radeon_X1950XTX
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GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

LosDaddie
hm i see lol... but i guese you agree with me?
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tech demo or not, if sony was going for a good impression...... they should have done better than GT HD.
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Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

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#6 Radeon_X1950XTX
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Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

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i wasnt comparing pc graphics to consoles, i was comparing tech demos to games. now do you get it? im sorry that you have A.D.D
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#7 Radeon_X1950XTX
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tech demo or not, if sony was going for a good impression...... they should have done better than GT HD.chrisdojo
yes, a great impression, but shouldnt be compared to a game
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ya GT HD is lame hopfulli cinco will b alot better
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the only reason GTHD has been compared to PGR3 or Forza 2 is to compare graphics. and GTHD's graphics are better and its only a tech demo
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#10 Radeon_X1950XTX
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the only reason GTHD has been compared to PGR3 or Forza 2 is to compare graphics. and GTHD's graphics are better and its only a tech demoShawtymann
another person with A.D.D, Tech demos Always have amazing graphics, READ MY ENTIRE POST VIEW THE SITE AND UNDERSTAND. "the graphics are better and its only a tech demo" LOL!!!!
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It seems as you are trying to say that GTHD quality is not posible in a real game, but since its juts as stated a PS2 engine running high res texture it is very posible and GT5 will most probably look alot better.
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Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

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thats the only thing i dont like about pc gaming..that i dont ever think i'l see what my gpu can do since new gpu's come out too soon and no game is made soley for it either..
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#13 michaelareb0001
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[QUOTE="michaelareb0001"]

Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

Radeon_X1950XTX

i wasnt comparing pc graphics to consoles, i was comparing tech demos to games. now do you get it? im sorry that you have A.D.D

Except the root of your comparision was why should we believe a tech demo can be compared to a full game and you used demos on PC card to prove your point. And they can not be used to prove anything when talking about console games. So your supporting arguments did not work. That was my point. I also supported my that GTHD could very well represent what could be done on a PS3, and most definately it's not even close to what could be done.

GTHD= Tech demo, but not above the limits of what the console could do with a real game using the hardware.

Nvidia Demo= a tech demo, but not possible in a real game using the hardware.

You arguement is not stuctured properly, you're using unrelated supporting arguments to reinforce your base. If you would have said, GTHD is tech demo. It lacks all the features of a real game, so there for it only looks good because it doesn't have those other things. Then made a reference to the rubber ducky demo, and said the PS2 could never match that, you'd still be dead wrong, but at least you'd have a coherent argument.

BTW, hurling insults, insisting that I have ADD, makes you look like the sped, because have no clue how to get your point across logically.

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#15 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="michaelareb0001"]

Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

daveg1
thats the only thing i dont like about pc gaming..that i dont ever think i'l see what my gpu can do since new gpu's come out too soon and no game is made soley for it either..

idiots will think you have to buy a new gpu every 6 months, i on the other hand buys a new gpu every new shadermodle comes out
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#16 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="michaelareb0001"]

Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

michaelareb0001

i wasnt comparing pc graphics to consoles, i was comparing tech demos to games. now do you get it? im sorry that you have A.D.D

Except the root of your comparision was why should we believe a tech demo can be compared to a full game and you used demos on PC card to prove your point. And they can not be used to prove anything when talking about console games. So your supporting arguments did not work. That was my point. I also supported my that GTHD could very well represent what could be done on a PS3, and most definately it's not even close to what could be done.

GTHD= Tech demo, but not above the limits of what the console could do with a real game using the hardware.

Nvidia Demo= a tech demo, but not possible in a real game using the hardware.

You arguement is not stuctured properly, you're using unrelated supporting arguments to reinforce your base. If you would have said, GTHD is tech demo. It lacks all the features of a real game, so there for it only looks good because it doesn't have those other things. Then made a reference to the rubber ducky demo, and said the PS2 could never match that, you'd still be dead wrong, but at least you'd have a coherent argument.

BTW, hurling insults, insisting that I have ADD, makes you look like the sped, because have no clue how to get your point across logically.

GTHD is a tech demo, should not be compared to a game thats my BASIC point, and thats why care models in GT looks better then in forza and pgr http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_luna_videos.html -THIS WAS SHOWN ON PS3 AT E305 again tech demo beating every game in graphics, Why? cause its all about graphics, ther isnt any ai running, just like GTHD, people shouldnt compare a tech demo(GTHD) to an actuall game (PGR)
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[QUOTE="michaelareb0001"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="michaelareb0001"]

Dude the difference is, those tech demos for the Geforce cards are pretty much A) maximized completely to max out the GPU, you run that pixie demo on a 5200 in real time and it's gonna crawl. Comparing PC hardware to Console hardware is silly. They are so different it's not even close. A PC game will never be specifically optimized for a single GPU, it will at best be optimized for a series of cards. So while a PC graphics card will run games worse as new cards come out and developers move on, a console will only run games better as they will constantly be optimizing the game for the hardware.

GTHD is simply a PS2 engine, with high res textures and a couple next gen effects. You're right it is a tech demo, and the replay mode looks better than any other racer out, except Motorstorm. The actually gameplay isn't as impressive, but it can hold up with alot of current racers. The PS3 could easily create something better than GTHD, if a tech demo, can look and run that well, so much so that it can even be considered to be better than full on games, then it says something for the console.  

You could get the quality of graphics out of a PC GPU if developers decided to make games for that specific card, but they won't and never will, so your comparision is moot.

Radeon_X1950XTX

i wasnt comparing pc graphics to consoles, i was comparing tech demos to games. now do you get it? im sorry that you have A.D.D

Except the root of your comparision was why should we believe a tech demo can be compared to a full game and you used demos on PC card to prove your point. And they can not be used to prove anything when talking about console games. So your supporting arguments did not work. That was my point. I also supported my that GTHD could very well represent what could be done on a PS3, and most definately it's not even close to what could be done.

GTHD= Tech demo, but not above the limits of what the console could do with a real game using the hardware.

Nvidia Demo= a tech demo, but not possible in a real game using the hardware.

You arguement is not stuctured properly, you're using unrelated supporting arguments to reinforce your base. If you would have said, GTHD is tech demo. It lacks all the features of a real game, so there for it only looks good because it doesn't have those other things. Then made a reference to the rubber ducky demo, and said the PS2 could never match that, you'd still be dead wrong, but at least you'd have a coherent argument.

BTW, hurling insults, insisting that I have ADD, makes you look like the sped, because have no clue how to get your point across logically.

GTHD is a tech demo, should not be compared to a game thats my BASIC point, and thats why care models in GT looks better then in forza and pgr http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_luna_videos.html -THIS WAS SHOWN ON PS3 AT E305 again tech demo beating every game in graphics, Why? cause its all about graphics, ther isnt any ai running, just like GTHD, people shouldnt compare a tech demo(GTHD) to an actuall game (PGR)

so what you are saying is since GT HD is a tech demo that can be played IN REAL TIME, GT 5 wont even come close to GTHD since its a tech demo? im confused in what you are saying. since GTHD is tech demo that uses PS2 engine, all of sudden GT 5 which will be using PS3 engine will not come close because GT5 will not be a tech demo. god you are loosing me here.

btw last i known, nvidia doesnt make games, they just make tech demos to show what the graphics card is capable of. PD does makes game, and they are showing us what GTHD could of been if the ps2 was powerful enough to deliver.

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GTHD is a tech demo, should not be compared to a game thats my BASIC point, and thats why care models in GT looks better then in forza and pgr http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_luna_videos.html -THIS WAS SHOWN ON PS3 AT E305 again tech demo beating every game in graphics, Why? cause its all about graphics, ther isnt any ai running, just like GTHD, people shouldnt compare a tech demo(GTHD) to an actuall game (PGR)

btw it is sad when GTHD is using last gen engine and their cars look equal or even better then the current gen car models. now that is messed up. so what is your next excuse when GT5 comes out? and IF looks better then forza and pgr, what is going to be your next excuse.

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lol forza 2 owned by tech demo lol
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lol forza 2 owned by tech demo lolPSBox3SixWi
Lol, the ignorance in this thread is unbelievable. The TC has a good point. If the resources are only spent on one thing (rendering the car in an environment where the mountains are just a photo), then it is bound to look good. TC has posted multiple examples and you still don't get it. When you get AI, physics, and all other game variants running on screen having those kind of visuals running at a steady framerate is next to impossible.
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[QUOTE="PSBox3SixWi"]lol forza 2 owned by tech demo lolrainman67
Lol, the ignorance in this thread is unbelievable. The TC has a good point. If the resources are only spent on one thing (rendering the car in an environment where the mountains are just a photo), then it is bound to look good. TC has posted multiple examples and you still don't get it. When you get AI, physics, and all other game variants running on screen having those kind of visuals running at a steady framerate is next to impossible.

Agreed.

But you need to excuse cows. After the NPD ownage today, they only have a tech demo for teh pwnage.

GTHD looks great, but I want to see it with at least 6 other cars on the track.

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[QUOTE="rainman67"][QUOTE="PSBox3SixWi"]lol forza 2 owned by tech demo lolLosDaddie

Lol, the ignorance in this thread is unbelievable. The TC has a good point. If the resources are only spent on one thing (rendering the car in an environment where the mountains are just a photo), then it is bound to look good. TC has posted multiple examples and you still don't get it. When you get AI, physics, and all other game variants running on screen having those kind of visuals running at a steady framerate is next to impossible.

Agreed.

But you need to excuse cows. After the NPD ownage today, they only have a tech demo for teh pwnage.

GTHD looks great, but I want to see it with at least 6 other cars on the track.

itll look just as good. now go try to find something worth bashing cus this is as old as dirt
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GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

LosDaddie
LOL! i downloaded it and i unlocked 10 cars and then got the same 10 cars maxed out unlocked drift mode and i can now play the map backwards did you see azypyro's cappachino record? 1:25 :o!!
pretty good for a FREE GAME!
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[QUOTE="PSBox3SixWi"]lol forza 2 owned by tech demo lolrainman67
Lol, the ignorance in this thread is unbelievable. The TC has a good point. If the resources are only spent on one thing (rendering the car in an environment where the mountains are just a photo), then it is bound to look good. TC has posted multiple examples and you still don't get it. When you get AI, physics, and all other game variants running on screen having those kind of visuals running at a steady framerate is next to impossible.

what TC forgot to mention is. GTHD is basically GT4 with more polygons that is it. its the same old last gen graphics engine. even the game play is similar to GT4 . Also if you do not think PD can pull off with GT5 having steady framerates, then you should play F1ce with al them cars on the screen. i played it at my friends house who owns a ps3. i was very suprised how well F1ce is on framerates. So i do think PD will be able to pull it off.
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#25 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

Squall_Griver

LOL! i downloaded it and i unlocked 10 cars and then got the same 10 cars maxed out unlocked drift mode and i can now play the map backwards did you see azypyro's cappachino record? 1:25 :o!!
pretty good for a FREE GAME!

I got bored after an hour. No rumble. Only one car on track. No online play. No damage. No custom soundtracks.

It was a yawn-fest. In fact, i think I'm going to delete it today. I see no need for it on my HDD.

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the cars look good, the rest (physics, sound, surroundings, etc.) = bad
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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

LosDaddie

LOL! i downloaded it and i unlocked 10 cars and then got the same 10 cars maxed out unlocked drift mode and i can now play the map backwards did you see azypyro's cappachino record? 1:25 :o!!
pretty good for a FREE GAME!

I got bored after an hour. No rumble. Only one car on track. No online play. No damage. No custom soundtracks.

It was a yawn-fest. In fact, i think I'm going to delete it today. I see no need for it on my HDD.

well i love the game i wanna get to the top 10 boards for cappachino so i consider it online and its the best driving sim i have ever played
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I am sure gt5 will look just as good as gthd or better after playing f1 on the ps3 on a friends ps3 with many more cars on screen. Surely pd can do better after all they got gt4 up to 1080i on the ps2 with the ps3 they should be able to match gthd or better. I am sure if pd had the xbox to make gt4 on it would have been alot better than forza imo.
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#29 LosDaddie
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[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Squall_Griver"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

GT HD is a yawn-fest

I downloaded it and it's just one bumper-car on the track. And you can't even map the buttons. So, it's the "X" button only for gas. NO mapping to the R2 trigger.

Squall_Griver

LOL! i downloaded it and i unlocked 10 cars and then got the same 10 cars maxed out unlocked drift mode and i can now play the map backwards did you see azypyro's cappachino record? 1:25 :o!!
pretty good for a FREE GAME!

I got bored after an hour. No rumble. Only one car on track. No online play. No damage. No custom soundtracks.

It was a yawn-fest. In fact, i think I'm going to delete it today. I see no need for it on my HDD.

well i love the game i wanna get to the top 10 boards for cappachino so i consider it online and its the best driving sim i have ever played

You need to play Forza.

Damage, custom paint, online, custom soundtracks. Forza makes GT HD seem like a last gen game.

GT HD feels like a bumper car game after playing Forza.