Halo 3 a HUGE step up from Halo 2

i hear a lot of people saying that Halo 3 looks exactly like Halo 2, well judging by this, Halo 3 looks WAY better

Halo 3

Halo 2

thats HORRIBLE for next gen graphics.

halo3 hardly looks better than halo2 

halo 3 better look the same as halo 3, because if it didn't nothing would make since anymore...

(look at your topic again dude) 

i hear a lot of people saying that Halo 3 looks exactly like Halo 3, well judging by this, Halo 3 looks WAY better

 

hockeyruler12

i hear a lot of people saying that Halo 3 looks exactly like Halo 3...hockeyruler12

it does look exactly like Halo 3

i hear a lot of people saying that Halo 3 looks exactly like Halo 2, well judging by this, Halo 3 looks WAY better

Halo 3

Halo 2

 

hockeyruler12

Here's a hint: If you have to stare at it for more than thirty seconds to discern a difference, chances are it's not a good-looking game. 

[QUOTE="hockeyruler12"]

i hear a lot of people saying that Halo 3 looks exactly like Halo 2, well judging by this, Halo 3 looks WAY better

Halo 3

Halo 2

Redfingers

Here's a hint: If you have to stare at it for more than thirty seconds to discern a difference, chances are it's not a good-looking game.

halo 3 better look the same as halo 3, because if it didn't nothing would make since anymore...

(look at your topic again dude)

kansasdude2009

Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGTimesplitter14

OMG... this is seriously sad how you cows keep up with your really factually incorrect argument. Have fun until Halo 3 comes out then let's regroup and see what you say hmm? 

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGkcpp2b

OMG... this is seriously sad how you cows keep up with your really factually incorrect argument. Have fun until Halo 3 comes out then let's regroup and see what you say hmm?

its getting pretty annoying actually.they acknowledge that those halo3 videos are from the alpha builds,but they still bash them as if the final game will look like that.

Right now there are a few parts that look hugely superior but for the most part there seems to be a lot of textures that seem like they are from Halo2. Hopefully they are what Bungie was talking about. Since Bungie has already stated that they had made many improvements (with updates on Bungie.com) and that the video was taking in early 2006 (it has a copyright date of that so its kind of obvious) id imagine it will look much better than that. The Halo games have always looked highly above average, Halo 3, the next gen game in the series, is obviously going to look very good. Do not worry about it! It will be fine. And can't we just wait a couple more weeks until the beta come sout?Educated_Gamer

Bungie said it was made a few months ago and that they made a few improvements. Whether or not it WILL look good it outside of the question. It looks like crap now. This thread's premise is, therefore, completely and utterly incorrect.

Look at Gears of War. Look at Mass Effect. Supreme Commander, Crysis, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank...this game is so far in the dirt it isn't even funny. Super Mario Galaxy gives this game a run for its money and then some.  A few texture and water effect improvements will not change anything. Expect any new footage to mirror this alpha footage closely.

For some perspective, Lair and Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction are both in alpha. That's right, alpha.

"Do you really think Bungie will release Halo 3 looking like that? Or even looking average? Do you think Microsoft will let them? Halo is Microsofts biggest franchise. They won't release it until it looks stellar. I'll go out on a limb and say that Halo will be the best looking next-gen game when it is released."

Listen, man, I wouldn't think Bungie would release even a single image looking like that. I didn't think they would release a game looking average, just like I didn't think they would raise everyone's expectations to an unreasonable level with that stupid BS trailer a year ago. But then I saw how Halo 3 was coming along, and believe me, I SEE THE LIGHT.

Microsoft will just have to bite the bullet on this one. Halo 3's already missed the PS3 release date by uh...9 months? 

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGlawlessx

OMG... this is seriously sad how you cows keep up with your really factually incorrect argument. Have fun until Halo 3 comes out then let's regroup and see what you say hmm?

its getting pretty annoying actually.they acknowledge that those halo3 videos are from the alpha builds,but they still bash them as if the final game will look like that.

Do you have access to the final build? When you get your hands on it, you show me and prove your argument. Until then, let's discuss the alpha footage, okay? And while you're at it, look at two other games in alpha build right now: Lair and Ratchet and Clank. Oh. Oh, well there goes your argument, huh? 

1. Realize that there's an "Alpha Build" watermark in the bottom left of the screen.

2. Realize hat the vidoc was recorded several months ago.

3. Realize that this quite obviously isn't going to be how the final game will look, so why even bother insulting it?

Honestly, if Bungie wanted to showcase their final product they would. What that would do, however, is take time out of their development schedule to take a portion of the game and polish it purely for showcase purposes. So unless there's a large trade show or MS event, it's a bad expectation wanting to see what the final game will look like.

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"]Right now there are a few parts that look hugely superior but for the most part there seems to be a lot of textures that seem like they are from Halo2. Hopefully they are what Bungie was talking about. Since Bungie has already stated that they had made many improvements (with updates on Bungie.com) and that the video was taking in early 2006 (it has a copyright date of that so its kind of obvious) id imagine it will look much better than that. The Halo games have always looked highly above average, Halo 3, the next gen game in the series, is obviously going to look very good. Do not worry about it! It will be fine. And can't we just wait a couple more weeks until the beta come sout?Redfingers

Bungie said it was made a few months ago and that they made a few improvements. Whether or not it WILL look good it outside of the question. It looks like crap now. This thread's premise is, therefore, completely and utterly incorrect.

Look at Gears of War. Look at Mass Effect. Supreme Commander, Crysis, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank...this game is so far in the dirt it isn't even funny. Super Mario Galaxy gives this game a run for its money and then some. A few texture and water effect improvements will not change anything. Expect any new footage to mirror this alpha footage closely.

For some perspective, Lair and Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction are both in alpha. That's right, alpha.

"Do you really think Bungie will release Halo 3 looking like that? Or even looking average? Do you think Microsoft will let them? Halo is Microsofts biggest franchise. They won't release it until it looks stellar. I'll go out on a limb and say that Halo will be the best looking next-gen game when it is released."

Listen, man, I wouldn't think Bungie would release even a single image looking like that. I didn't think they would release a game looking average, just like I didn't think they would raise everyone's expectations to an unreasonable level with that stupid BS trailer a year ago. But then I saw how Halo 3 was coming along, and believe me, I SEE THE LIGHT.

Microsoft will just have to bite the bullet on this one. Halo 3's already missed the PS3 release date by uh...9 months?

You do relize Bungie is saying this every week. Its in there weekly updates. If gamespot  is anything like ign they only said it when someone posted the link in their thread to the weekly update and people thought it was an official  press release or something. 

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGlawlessx

OMG... this is seriously sad how you cows keep up with your really factually incorrect argument. Have fun until Halo 3 comes out then let's regroup and see what you say hmm?

its getting pretty annoying actually.they acknowledge that those halo3 videos are from the alpha builds,but they still bash them as if the final game will look like that.

just like lemms bash LAIR even though the game in it's alpha build looks freaking insane, but people always bring up stupid pictures and blow them up or low quality ones, if you watch the gametrailers gameplay movie it looks way better than the crap lemms post up. And in Alpha build LAIR looks stunning final version will look spectacular of course Halo 3 will look better in final version as well.

thats HORRIBLE for next gen graphics.

halo3 hardly looks better than halo2 l1mIt

The Alpha version of Halo 3 looks better then the Gold version of Halo 2.

well I think the point is that halo 3 is looking like - uhh , what halo 2 should have looked like

 come on it's THE game thats related to the xbox and the xboxs known as one of the best looking graphics game console

 ironic !

oh and by the way alpha is pretty much what you see is what you get in final.. because at that point the dev.has to get the right frame rate ... see where they can reduce data to ensure a good fps, they really dont usually upgrade the gfx that much at that point if except the lighting maybe. sooo7thRonin

if all the bashers look at the bottom of the image it says ALPHA BUILD, so its not even BETA....

the image is from an ALPHA build and looks better than halo 2.... 

[QUOTE="Educated_Gamer"]Right now there are a few parts that look hugely superior but for the most part there seems to be a lot of textures that seem like they are from Halo2. Hopefully they are what Bungie was talking about. Since Bungie has already stated that they had made many improvements (with updates on Bungie.com) and that the video was taking in early 2006 (it has a copyright date of that so its kind of obvious) id imagine it will look much better than that. The Halo games have always looked highly above average, Halo 3, the next gen game in the series, is obviously going to look very good. Do not worry about it! It will be fine. And can't we just wait a couple more weeks until the beta come sout?Redfingers

Bungie said it was made a few months ago and that they made a few improvements. Whether or not it WILL look good it outside of the question. It looks like crap now. This thread's premise is, therefore, completely and utterly incorrect.

Yea, the date on the video says 2005 . And besides, they said the game would feature major improvements and the game will look vastly better than the Alpha

Look at Gears of War. Look at Mass Effect. Supreme Commander, Crysis, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank...this game is so far in the dirt it isn't even funny. Super Mario Galaxy gives this game a run for its money and then some. A few texture and water effect improvements will not change anything. Expect any new footage to mirror this alpha footage closely.

For some perspective, Lair and Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction are both in alpha. That's right, alpha.

The main difference is Bungie chooses to work on the gameplay first. In their Alpha stages they work on the gameplay and make it as fun as possible. Then they add the real textures (Alpha uses placeholders) and touch it up until release. Games like R&C's devs probably spend all the time in Alpha making the game look pretty. Then 3 months until deadline they realize the gameplay sucks and they just half ass it. Gears of War is an example. That game just gets plain boring. Look at Halo 2. 500 billion matches played to date really says something.

"Do you really think Bungie will release Halo 3 looking like that? Or even looking average? Do you think Microsoft will let them? Halo is Microsofts biggest franchise. They won't release it until it looks stellar. I'll go out on a limb and say that Halo will be the best looking next-gen game when it is released."

Listen, man, I wouldn't think Bungie would release even a single image looking like that. I didn't think they would release a game looking average, just like I didn't think they would raise everyone's expectations to an unreasonable level with that stupid BS trailer a year ago. But then I saw how Halo 3 was coming along, and believe me, I SEE THE LIGHT.

 Wow. Fanboys always moan and complain "SHOW US THE GAME", then Bungie decides to actually show the game at an early stage and people complain "THIS SUCKS". That's even after they say 100+ times that the game was in ALPHA STAGE AND THE FOOTAGE IS MONTHS OLD. But fanboys must have selective hearing.

Microsoft will just have to bite the bullet on this one. Halo 3's already missed the PS3 release date by uh...9 months?

yeah right but the thing is that halo 3 right now in its latest build thats 5 month aways from the final with many maps and data to optimize and a good fps to meet while cutting somewhere to meet that --- looks like what halo 2 should have loooked like ...

realise that this is the number one game for the xbox , the xbox is a symbol of hi quality console gfx...

remember that when youll get your hands on one of the 3 halo editions this fall, while youll hopefully have fun playing it and forgot that it has last gen gfx

remember that, youll see,,

and stop complaining cause its all about gameplay... oh well Ive reserved my pc copy of unreal 3 playable with a mouse and a keyboard... perfect combo for a shooter

The video says 2006. Get your facts straight. And Bungie said it was only a few months old.

Ratchet and Clank has solid gameplay. I know this because its a years-old franchise that had 4 iterations, that's right, 4 iterations on the Playstation 2. It is the 5th entry in the franchise, after platforming experience with I believe 4-5 iterations of Spyro the Dragon.

Also, they have Playstation 3 programming experience with Resistance: Fall of Man.

Precisely what is there in gameplay that requires 2 and a half years to optimize for a franchise that has already been established with a developer that has already done this game by the book 4 times already?

Conversely what is there for Bungie to optimize? Marathon, Halo 1, Halo 2. I expect they are no slouches when it comes to optimizing gameplay in a first-person-shooter, especially with regards to multiplayer, which is all we've seen so far. Yet, I notice two things: The graphics and the gameplay look exactly like Halo 2. Note I'm talking about Xbox version, since the PC version for Vista looks infinitely better than any previous Halo, including Halo 3 for Xbox 360. This is why its an embarrassment. You can tell me that they've been working on gameplay over graphics, but why are the only innovations as follows?:

The assault rifle from Halo 1 returns

some minor improvements on brute grenade launcher

some new brute weapon

Brutes have new art design and some new squad tactics

man launcher

If you ask me that's pathetic. How long have they been working on this game that both graphics and gameplay might as well have been pulled directly out of Halo 2? That's the root of the conflict here. There is no way to get out of it for precisely that reason.

I suspect that Ratchet and Clank will have superior gameplay to Halo 3. I know that it will have superior graphics. I suspect that Lair has a fair chance to have superior gameplay to Halo 3 and I know it has superior graphics.

Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGTimesplitter14

It's alpha. :cry: I mean come on guys, the effect of the glass on the scope is actually WORSE in the halo 3 shot than in the halo 2 one. Surely common sense tells you these are EARLY GRAPHICS. Sheesh. 

That isnt even the final version of halo 3.And its filmed from a camera pointing a tv screen.

The video says 2006. Get your facts straight. And Bungie said it was only a few months old.

Ratchet and Clank has solid gameplay. I know this because its a years-old franchise that had 4 iterations, that's right, 4 iterations on the Playstation 2. It is the 5th entry in the franchise, after platforming experience with I believe 4-5 iterations of Spyro the Dragon.

Also, they have Playstation 3 programming experience with Resistance: Fall of Man.

Precisely what is there in gameplay that requires 2 and a half years to optimize for a franchise that has already been established with a developer that has already done this game by the book 4 times already?

Conversely what is there for Bungie to optimize? Marathon, Halo 1, Halo 2. I expect they are no slouches when it comes to optimizing gameplay in a first-person-shooter, especially with regards to multiplayer, which is all we've seen so far. Yet, I notice two things: The graphics and the gameplay look exactly like Halo 2. Note I'm talking about Xbox version, since the PC version for Vista looks infinitely better than any previous Halo, including Halo 3 for Xbox 360. This is why its an embarrassment. You can tell me that they've been working on gameplay over graphics, but why are the only innovations as follows?:

The assault rifle from Halo 1 returns

some minor improvements on brute grenade launcher

some new brute weapon

Brutes have new art design and some new squad tactics

man launcher

 

If you ask me that's pathetic. How long have they been working on this game that both graphics and gameplay might as well have been pulled directly out of Halo 2? That's the root of the conflict here. There is no way to get out of it for precisely that reason.

I suspect that Ratchet and Clank will have superior gameplay to Halo 3. I know that it will have superior graphics. I suspect that Lair has a fair chance to have superior gameplay to Halo 3 and I know it has superior graphics.

Redfingers

A) Alpha build. So old the 1up guys comment on how the bungie team look different from when they last saw them. Remember aaaaages ago when 1up tested the multiplayer? Like in september? That was the alpha build. This build.

B) You know when bungie made this video, and they had that disclaimer: "this is just about new features, not graphics. You'll see that in the BETA." they weren't lying to fool the guys on system wars.

C) Frankie has made it very clear that a lot of stuff is secret. Even the HUD in the Beta is fake to hide certain aspects of the game, therefore your list of innovations is false. You've just drawn that from the tiny documentary they've shown. Nothing else.

See why you fail?

EDIT: Also note that all gameplay shown so far has been running on a modified version of the halo 2 engine. The game is currently running on the halo 3 engine; built from the ground up specifically for this game, like all bungie games. 

oke so now its some old footage.. then dont even post about it in the first place..

but kotaku release new screens few times ago, and guess what it was looking the same

The end result will look even better. Trust this, the beta will look better than anything we've seen yet, and the final version will be an improvement over that. Halo 3 will look fine, don't anyone worry too much about it.THETRUEDOZAH

End result should look better, because these pictures are very poor for a next gen game. 

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Timesplitter14"]Halo 3 is Halo 2 with average next-gen graphics. Seriously... you saw the vids? IT'S THE EXACT SAME THINGRedfingers

OMG... this is seriously sad how you cows keep up with your really factually incorrect argument. Have fun until Halo 3 comes out then let's regroup and see what you say hmm?

its getting pretty annoying actually.they acknowledge that those halo3 videos are from the alpha builds,but they still bash them as if the final game will look like that.

Do you have access to the final build? When you get your hands on it, you show me and prove your argument. Until then, let's discuss the alpha footage, okay? And while you're at it, look at two other games in alpha build right now: Lair and Ratchet and Clank. Oh. Oh, well there goes your argument, huh?

Lair isn't on an alpha build. It's out in two months. Dont be rediculous. :| 

oke so now its some old footage.. then dont even post about it in the first place..

 

but kotaku release new screens few times ago, and guess what it was looking the same

 

7thRonin

Show me these new screens, mr inventor of things. :| 

halo2 actually looks sharper than halo3.GermanShepard06

That would be the quality of pictures. 

In-game character model from Halo 2:

http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/screenshots/H2_chiefandodsts.jpg

In-game character model from halo 3: