Halo 3 footage: What engine is it running on?

Question: If the trailer from last year was running on a game engine they plan to be using in the final build of Halo 3, why isn't the recent footage of the alpha build of the game using this engine?

Or is it? Is this running on that engine? Why aren't they able to achieve the same visual effects?

Is this from an "alpha" engine that they are going to scrap next month, when they begin using the "last year trailer" game engine? 

I belive its running on a modified version of the halo 2 graphics engineLed_poison

all recent footage is pre alpha, and on an updated halo 2 engine.

The alpha version of a product still awaits full debugging or full implementation of all its functionality but satisfies a majority of the software requirements. It often lacks features promised in the final release but demonstrates the feasibility and basic structure of the software. As the first major stage in the release lifecycle, it is named after the Greek letter alpha, the first letter in the Greek alphabet.

This means that an alpha build of a game WILL NOT HAVE OPTIMIZED GRAPHICS. How hard is it to convey the fact that games usually don't have final effects implemented until late in the development process. In the alpha stage, they are still working out bugs and solidifying features, not hammering out the final product.

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]I belive its running on a modified version of the halo 2 graphics engineKAS3Y_JAM3Z

all recent footage is pre alpha, and on an updated halo 2 engine.

....Are you serious? Can you link me that? 

So this is running on a Halo 2 engine? Now that's a major misconception, and I've never seen that brought up before. That changes absolutely everything. I jokingly said "is it running on an upgraded Halo 2 engine?" WAS I RIGHT?

Jesus, I am just so friggin' awesome sometimes. 

I think the only truly frightening thing about Halo 3 right now is that it's so close to release...and comparitively knocking on the doorstep of the public beta test. They'd better wrap this thing up tight. How will they implement, utilize, and tie together a completely new set of visual and technical goods in a peroid of a few months?Redfingers

Good thing we didn't establish in your thread last night that the vidoc 2 is several months old, or you'd look kinda foolish right now. :|

To clear up a misconception, I don't beleive it's a "modified Halo 2 engine". They use Halo 2 placeholders in the alpha build, but the engine isn't a different framework.bman784

No its the Halo 2 engine but heavily modified and new textures will be used for the MC, environments and water.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I think the only truly frightening thing about Halo 3 right now is that it's so close to release...and comparitively knocking on the doorstep of the public beta test. They'd better wrap this thing up tight. How will they implement, utilize, and tie together a completely new set of visual and technical goods in a peroid of a few months?Vyse_The_Daring

Good thing we didn't establish in your thread last night that the vidoc 2 is several months old, or you'd look kinda foolish right now. :|

Oh, you're right! They've had at least two or three additional months to completely rework the visuals in the game! Piece o' cake. 

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]I think the only truly frightening thing about Halo 3 right now is that it's so close to release...and comparitively knocking on the doorstep of the public beta test. They'd better wrap this thing up tight. How will they implement, utilize, and tie together a completely new set of visual and technical goods in a peroid of a few months?Redfingers

Good thing we didn't establish in your thread last night that the vidoc 2 is several months old, or you'd look kinda foolish right now. :|

Oh, you're right! They've had at least two or three additional months to completely rework the visuals in the game! Piece o' cake.

Well the video was from 2006, and even then we don't know exactly when it was made. Then they had early 07, plus this extra month until the Beta, plus a few more months before final release. 

[QUOTE="bman784"]To clear up a misconception, I don't beleive it's a "modified Halo 2 engine". They use Halo 2 placeholders in the alpha build, but the engine isn't a different framework.Flexmaster_365

No its the Halo 2 engine but heavily modified and new textures will be used for the MC, environments and water.

Could you please grace me with a link? I might have missed the part where they said that the engine was actually a Halo 2 build, because I recall them saying that the textures were Halo 2 placeholders. I don't see the logic of developing Halo 3 on something other than the Halo 3 engine. 

From what I've seen, they've got a lot of the lighting effects and physics and stuff in place already, making it mostly the bona fide Halo 3 engine. However, the textures and model are placeholders (recycled from Halo 2), just at a different LOD. They also haven't implemented the stuff like decorators and others.

I swear, that's all it needs right now: Decorators. Once those are there, people are gonna be like "What happened? Why is there so much more detail?"

In addition, people seem to have forgotten that EVERY SINGLE SURFACE LOOKS NORMAL MAPPED. Sheesh! When it comes to technical stuff, you guys are really hard to please. 

I think the only truly frightening thing about Halo 3 right now is that it's so close to release...and comparitively knocking on the doorstep of the public beta test. They'd better wrap this thing up tight. How will they implement, utilize, and tie together a completely new set of visual and technical goods in a peroid of a few months?Redfingers

Question: If the trailer from last year was running on a game engine they plan to be using in the final build of Halo 3, why isn't the recent footage of the alpha build of the game using this engine?

Or is it? Is this running on that engine? Why aren't they able to achieve the same visual effects?

Is this from an "alpha" engine that they are going to scrap next month, when they begin using the "last year trailer" game engine? 

Redfingers

Uh because its the same engine with placeholder textures, unfinished levels, and unfinished models? Just because your using an a certain game engine doesnt mean the graphics are automatically good. An engine just allows you to use fancy new effects and renders the game. You still need to make all the models in 3dmax or whatever and have artists make thousands of high res textures in photoshop and designers to make all the levels and implement all the art. For the E3 vid they created a special level and completely finished it. The real game goes at a much slower pace.

I think the only truly frightening thing about Halo 3 right now is that it's so close to release...and comparitively knocking on the doorstep of the public beta test. They'd better wrap this thing up tight. How will they implement, utilize, and tie together a completely new set of visual and technical goods in a peroid of a few months?Redfingers

 All this footange is from 8 months ago

Question: If the trailer from last year was running on a game engine they plan to be using in the final build of Halo 3, why isn't the recent footage of the alpha build of the game using this engine?

Or is it? Is this running on that engine? Why aren't they able to achieve the same visual effects?

Is this from an "alpha" engine that they are going to scrap next month, when they begin using the "last year trailer" game engine? 

Redfingers

the trailer was polished to a nice shine so everybody would be like this f-ing rules well the multiplayer trailer was meant to show off the features and some of the new additions not graphics so have no fear it will look freaking sweet and you will see all of the chiefs battle scars come november

Its got 6 months b4 release and there still on a Really old engine??? Whats going on??? You would think by now it would have a near final look. What the heII have they been doing all this time. -Maddog-

Ummm... have you been reading any of the posts?? ITS A PLACEHOLDER! wow... people now a days are just getting dumber and dumber...

EDIT: and also bungie announced that the beta version will look alot better so im guessing that it's gonna be running on the Halo 3 engine  

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]Its got 6 months b4 release and there still on a Really old engine??? Whats going on??? You would think by now it would have a near final look. What the heII have they been doing all this time. csknifer

Ummm... have you been reading any of the posts?? ITS A PLACEHOLDER! wow... people now a days are just getting dumber and dumber...

EDIT: and also bungie announced that the beta version will look alot better so im guessing that it's gonna be running on the Halo 3 engine

lol you probably have know idea what your talking about...sit down. Placeholders at this stage??? What happen to the realtime trailer they showed at E3 2006 which is OLD and looked amazing..claiming this is how the game will look like...why arn't we seeing those visuals now if it was possible then??? 

You lemmings are dumber and dumber by the minute..beleive all sorts of BS.  

Its got 6 months b4 release and there still on a Really old engine??? Whats going on??? You would think by now it would have a near final look. What the heII have they been doing all this time. -Maddog-

OVER A YEAR OLD. Sheesh. How many times must it be explained. 

Wait so Bungie in there latest vid are using a year old engine...because???

I made a thread earlier regarding how much they can live up to there previous Realtime/gameplay trailers...It doesn't look good. Ninja Vox..don't expect huge graphical leaps..its not gonna happen. and i'm betting its not going to look as good as the the so called Realtime E3 2006 trailer...just like Halo 2 didn't look as good as its earlier E3 trailer.

Dig it up....Know one can yet prove me wrong. ;) 

Wait so Bungie in there latest vid are using a year old engine...because???

 

I made a thread earlier regarding how much they can live up to there previous Realtime/gameplay trailers...It doesn't look good. Ninja Vox..don't expect huge graphical leaps..its not gonna happen. and i'm betting its not going to look as good as the the so called Realtime E3 2006 trailer...just like Halo 2 didn't look as good as its earlier E3 trailer.

Dig it up....Know one can yet prove me wrong. ;) 

  

-Maddog-

Seriously, for your own sake, stop bashing Halo 3's graphics. You know you're just going to get owned when Bungie show a more recent build of the game

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

Wait so Bungie in there latest vid are using a year old engine...because???

 

I made a thread earlier regarding how much they can live up to there previous Realtime/gameplay trailers...It doesn't look good. Ninja Vox..don't expect huge graphical leaps..its not gonna happen. and i'm betting its not going to look as good as the the so called Realtime E3 2006 trailer...just like Halo 2 didn't look as good as its earlier E3 trailer.

Dig it up....Know one can yet prove me wrong. ;) 

  

Mass_Effect

Seriously, for your own sake, stop bashing Halo 3's graphics. You know you're just going to get owned when Bungie show a more recent build of the game

MassEffect is right. I didn't know two people (you know who you are) could make so many anti-Halo 3 threads. It's really something special. Halo 3 looks nothing now like what we just saw in the video- read the weekly updates.

If I had to take a cheap shot, I'd ask when Killzone 2 is to be released, and how that gameplay is shaping up. But you wouldn't have a good answer for me, so I'll just not ask it.

Seriously.

Wait so Bungie in there latest vid are using a year old engine...because???

 

I made a thread earlier regarding how much they can live up to there previous Realtime/gameplay trailers...It doesn't look good. Ninja Vox..don't expect huge graphical leaps..its not gonna happen. and i'm betting its not going to look as good as the the so called Realtime E3 2006 trailer...just like Halo 2 didn't look as good as its earlier E3 trailer.

Dig it up....Know one can yet prove me wrong. ;)

 

-Maddog-

I've proved you wrong a dozen times. :| Yes, they have shown old footage. Why? Because it was a documentary on the game's progress in which they CLEARLY say "this is over a year old, it's just to show you the features, not the graphics" but fanboys like you bash it anyway.

And as for your comments on Halo 2, i challenge you to post one image which the game apparently didn't live up to. 

[QUOTE="csknifer"]

[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]Its got 6 months b4 release and there still on a Really old engine??? Whats going on??? You would think by now it would have a near final look. What the heII have they been doing all this time. -Maddog-

Ummm... have you been reading any of the posts?? ITS A PLACEHOLDER! wow... people now a days are just getting dumber and dumber...

EDIT: and also bungie announced that the beta version will look alot better so im guessing that it's gonna be running on the Halo 3 engine

lol you probably have know idea what your talking about...sit down. Placeholders at this stage??? What happen to the realtime trailer they showed at E3 2006 which is OLD and looked amazing..claiming this is how the game will look like...why arn't we seeing those visuals now if it was possible then???

You lemmings are dumber and dumber by the minute..beleive all sorts of BS.

See this is the type of stuff I feel the need to comment on, what about you makes you so superior that you can come on a forum and make some condescending, prickish remark like that? Oh  yeah and by the way, it has been confirmed countless times that the footage that we are seeing is taken from Alpha stage months ago. Not indicitive of the current state of the game, but how it was MONTHS ago.

Do i know how good the game will look, no I don't. But based simply on their track record I do believe that Halo 3 will look amazing by release time. I fancy this development approach that the teams at Forza and for Halo have taken, they are getting the gameplay right and then focusing on the graphics at the end. Seems to me as if the have their priorities straight,nothing wrong with that.