Halo 3 is stuck in the middle of an FPS saturated year.

Lemmings should just forget GotY. With this many promising shooters out, Halo 3's generic standards will be more obvious compared to the upcoming FPS.

Take a look at Halo 2 and all its competition for GotY. It garnered Gamespy's GotY but lost out to Half-Life 2 in IGN while WoW took Gamespot's GotY. Gamespot's shooter of the year was given to Half-Life 2. Half-Life 2 was extremely groundbreaking for its graphics, A.I. and physics and Crysis is practically synonymous with what Half-Life 2 did for FPS. The only other FPS that was high profile in 2004 was Doom 3 and that FPS was a disappointment.

Now, we're in 2007. Many, many FPS in the works. And on top of them, many, many more GotY contenders like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and (to appease the sheeps) Super Mario Galaxy. FPS specifically?

Crysis, which will come out before Halo 3
Haze
UT3
Call of Duty 4
Bioshock
HL2 Orange Box
Blacksite Area 51

Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway

Did I get them all?

With all these FPS coming out and the standard of FPS raised beyond Halo's roof, we will finally and clearly see that Halo 3 is nothing special. I think Crysis will take GotY.

You forgot Metroid Prime 3, a sequal to another GotY winner (which seems to be making quite a few changes to the formula this time around). Oh, and the outstanding, yet tragically underrated, Call of Juarez earlier in the year (last year for us Aussies and Europeans).

...but yes, you've got a point there. Halo 2 lost the 'best shooter' title to Half-Life 2 that year, for the same reasons why Crysis could very well beat Halo 3 this time around. Given all of the extra competition, too, Halo 3 doesn't look like a very strong competitor for GotY right now.

You forgot Metroid Prime 3, a sequal to another GotY winner (which seems to be making quite a few changes to the formula this time around). Oh, and the outstanding, yet tragically underrated, Call of Juarez earlier in the year (last year for us Aussies and Europeans).

...but yes, you've got a point there. Halo 2 lost the 'best shooter' title to Half-Life 2 that year, for the same reasons why Crysis could very well beat Halo 3 this time around. Given all of the extra competition, too, Halo 3 doesn't look like a very strong competitor for GotY right now.

Planeforger

About MP3, some sheeps will say MP's not an FPS, some will. They confuse me. I don't consider it an FPS so I left it out.

I agree completely. I dont mind Halo, I think its not bad. But I hate all the talk about it being the best game ever. Half Life 2 was better than Halo 2, and itll still be better than Halo 3. VinnoT

Oh yeah, cuz you can predict the future?

The funny thing is remember all the big hits from 2004? Half-Life 2, MGS3,Doom 3, PoP: WW, GTA SA, Fable, KOTOR II I think was 2004, and quite a few others, what is the main game still talked about? Oh yeah, Halo 2.jimmygrace

Huh? People still talk about Halo 2?

All I hear is stuff like MGS3 story was amazing, HL2 engine is so awesome, Fable was the biggest disappointment of all time, San Andreas hot coffee is HOT HOT HOT!

The funny thing is remember all the big hits from 2004? Half-Life 2, MGS3,Doom 3, PoP: WW, GTA SA, Fable, KOTOR II I think was 2004, and quite a few others, what is the main game still talked about? Oh yeah, Halo 2.jimmygrace

Wrong. World of Warcraft - which conveniently won GotY that year.

And why should we care if Halo 3 doesn't get Goty.

It will still be the same game and I will still be enjoying it.

[QUOTE="jimmygrace"]The funny thing is remember all the big hits from 2004? Half-Life 2, MGS3,Doom 3, PoP: WW, GTA SA, Fable, KOTOR II I think was 2004, and quite a few others, what is the main game still talked about? Oh yeah, Halo 2.NobuoMusicMaker

Huh? People still talk about Halo 2?

All I hear is stuff like MGS3 story was amazing, HL2 engine is so awesome, Fable was the biggest disappointment of all time, San Andreas hot coffee is HOT HOT HOT!

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

[QUOTE="jimmygrace"]The funny thing is remember all the big hits from 2004? Half-Life 2, MGS3,Doom 3, PoP: WW, GTA SA, Fable, KOTOR II I think was 2004, and quite a few others, what is the main game still talked about? Oh yeah, Halo 2.NobuoMusicMaker

Huh? People still talk about Halo 2?

All I hear is stuff like MGS3 story was amazing, HL2 engine is so awesome, Fable was the biggest disappointment of all time, San Andreas hot coffee is HOT HOT HOT!

Then you're actually quite the fanboy.

Two games are talked about in their vanilla form the most -- Halo 2 and World of Warcraft.

Half Life 2 gets by with the mods and the brand new episodes.

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

jimmygrace

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

[QUOTE="jimmygrace"]

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

NobuoMusicMaker

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

[QUOTE="jimmygrace"]

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

NobuoMusicMaker

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

Doom 3 scored better than Half-Life 2 did on Xbox.That makes Doom 3 better by your logic?

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

FrozenLiquid

Uh... Goldeneye and Perfect Dark weren't exactly the kind of FPS that even met the current FPS standards with HL1 and Quake. You don't have the 2nd analog to aim.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

NobuoMusicMaker

Uh... Goldeneye and Perfect Dark weren't exactly the kind of FPS that even met the current FPS standards with HL1 and Quake. You don't have the 2nd analog to aim.

They made console FPSs popular.

I would have to say without those games Halo wouldn't have made its way to the Xbox like it has done.

Doom 3 scored better than Half-Life 2 did on Xbox.That makes Doom 3 better by your logic?

jimmygrace

In terms of the lacking console competition, yeah Doom 3 had it better. They added that gimmick co-op mode. Heck, that co-op mode was good enough to make it slightly better than the PC version. For HL2, the Xbox couldn't handle it. Framerate issues, no multiplayer, tons of flaws as a port. Please read the reviews before making such a statement. Scores don't justify everything.

The Halo 2 PC version scored low basically because it brought nothing to the table and standards killed it. A notable is that the unchanged singleplayer was still scrutinized.

They made console FPSs popular.

I would have to say without those games Halo wouldn't have made its way to the Xbox like it has done.

FrozenLiquid

Ummm I would say that Bungie made FPS before and MS would have had them do it anyways. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark didn't really bring anything to FPS. Stuff like No One Lives Forever, HL1 were making things work.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

FrozenLiquid

Uh... Goldeneye and Perfect Dark weren't exactly the kind of FPS that even met the current FPS standards with HL1 and Quake. You don't have the 2nd analog to aim.

They made console FPSs popular.

I would have to say without those games Halo wouldn't have made its way to the Xbox like it has done.

Actually...You can say Goldeneye popularized shooters in general. Not just consule...It was the first one to come out not that meant with that level of sucess...It shadowed over everything before in pretty much every retrospect. I mean just the year before...you had Quake. Then you had Goldeneye(Embrassing it was)...You can say Half life was 2nd place >_

Ummm I would say that Bungie made FPS before and MS would have had them do it anyways. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark didn't really bring anything to FPS. Stuff like No One Lives Forever, HL1 were making things work. NobuoMusicMaker

You don't understand.

GE and PD made console FPSs work.

Halo just made it even better. Propelled it to PC standards, if you will.

Lemmings should just forget GotY. With this many promising shooters out, Halo 3's generic standards will be more obvious compared to the upcoming FPS.

Take a look at Halo 2 and all its competition for GotY. It garnered Gamespy's GotY but lost out to Half-Life 2 in IGN while WoW took Gamespot's GotY. Gamespot's shooter of the year was given to Half-Life 2. Half-Life 2 was extremely groundbreaking for its graphics, A.I. and physics and Crysis is practically synonymous with what Half-Life 2 did for FPS. The only other FPS that was high profile in 2004 was Doom 3 and that FPS was a disappointment.

Now, we're in 2007. Many, many FPS in the works. And on top of them, many, many more GotY contenders like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and (to appease the sheeps) Super Mario Galaxy. FPS specifically?

Crysis, which will come out before Halo 3
Haze
UT3
Call of Duty 4
Bioshock
HL2 Orange Box
Blacksite Area 51

Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway

Did I get them all?

With all these FPS coming out and the standard of FPS raised beyond Halo's roof, we will finally and clearly see that Halo 3 is nothing special. I think Crysis will take GotY.

NobuoMusicMaker

haze? HL2 Orange Box? MoH? Area 51?

you wouldnt know a good fps if it hit you in the face, none of these will be contenders for goty

Halo 3 might not be goty but the competition will come from games like mass effect, bioshock, MP not the ones you listed

I agree. All Halo 3 has is Halo 1 and 2. Yes, that's a lot of pull. But the game can't stand on that alone. And I don't think its doing anything good or diffrerent enough to overcome all of these games. Buuuuut, it all remains to be seen.

haze? HL2 Orange Box? MoH? Area 51?

you wouldnt know a good fps if it hit you in the face, none of these will be contenders for goty

Thebettertwin

Half-Life 2 beat Halo 2 for the 2004 'Best Shooter' award here at GS, so someone out there must think that the HL2 games are good FPS'. With the addition of TF2 and Portal, I can see it being pretty damn good.

Is it a GotY contender, despite being episodic? We'll have to wait and see.

I agree. All Halo 3 has is Halo 1 and 2. Yes, that's a lot of pull. But the game can't stand on that alone. And I don't think its doing anything good or diffrerent enough to overcome all of these games. Buuuuut, it all remains to be seen.

dubvisions

You know, people are still looking through the Halo 3 E3 Trailer for new game play enhancements.

Just yesterday we found out that you could be able to shoot off a Grunt's breathing apparatus. Even though it's been done before -- +1 for Halo 3.

There appears to be a fourth type of grenade. +1 for Halo 3 again. Who knows what other weapons they've kept secret.

And then there's the brand new enemies they haven't unveiled yet. What new tactics will they use against you?

And the equipment spruces up Halo's game play quite a bit. Bungie and the internal Beta team keep surprising themselves as to how equipment is used.

You know, Half Life 2, compared to Far Cry, didn't do much different from other FPSs of the past. But it excelled in everything it did and it got FPS GOTY.

Lemmings should just forget GotY. With this many promising shooters out, Halo 3's generic standards will be more obvious compared to the upcoming FPS.

Take a look at Halo 2 and all its competition for GotY. It garnered Gamespy's GotY but lost out to Half-Life 2 in IGN while WoW took Gamespot's GotY. Gamespot's shooter of the year was given to Half-Life 2. Half-Life 2 was extremely groundbreaking for its graphics, A.I. and physics and Crysis is practically synonymous with what Half-Life 2 did for FPS. The only other FPS that was high profile in 2004 was Doom 3 and that FPS was a disappointment.

Now, we're in 2007. Many, many FPS in the works. And on top of them, many, many more GotY contenders like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and (to appease the sheeps) Super Mario Galaxy. FPS specifically?

Crysis, which will come out before Halo 3
Haze
UT3
Call of Duty 4
Bioshock
HL2 Orange Box
Blacksite Area 51

Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway

Did I get them all?

With all these FPS coming out and the standard of FPS raised beyond Halo's roof, we will finally and clearly see that Halo 3 is nothing special. I think Crysis will take GotY.

NobuoMusicMaker

Personally the two most hyped games there for me are Crysis and Halo 3 (hehe they sound good togther) and well i think ethier could take it.

Btw Halo 2 got MP GOTY over UT04

Halo 3 just may get the GOTY - no kidding ! I would not have said that 6 months ago but now... Yeah I can see it happening !

Once the game hits the street and the SP campaign is played over & over again, alone and co-op and the online revs up - yeah Halo 3 is sitting pretty IMHO.

This is not to say it's a lock by any means -lol -but I think it will deliver the goods and we shall have to see how it all shakes out.

Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.LosDaddie

I think you'll find just as many pro-Halo threads by lems.

Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.LosDaddie

Correct. A winner is you.

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.dubvisions

I think you'll find just as many pro-Halo threads by lems.

Yes Halo is going to have its work pretty cut out....

My money is one Crysis, Bioshock and UT3..........

I have a hunch Bioshock will win FPS GOTY over Crysis though.... Just a hunch.

Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.LosDaddie

Majority PS3 owners can care less about FPS....We're more into Action, Fighting, Adventure, Racing and etc

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.J_Swayze

Majority PS3 owners can care less about FPS....We're more into Action, Fighting, Adventure, Racing and etc

You forgot Metroid Prime 3, a sequal to another GotY winner (which seems to be making quite a few changes to the formula this time around). Oh, and the outstanding, yet tragically underrated, Call of Juarez earlier in the year (last year for us Aussies and Europeans).

...but yes, you've got a point there. Halo 2 lost the 'best shooter' title to Half-Life 2 that year, for the same reasons why Crysis could very well beat Halo 3 this time around. Given all of the extra competition, too, Halo 3 doesn't look like a very strong competitor for GotY right now.

Planeforger

Metroid isnt a FPS.

[QUOTE="J_Swayze"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.desktopdefender

Majority PS3 owners can care less about FPS....We're more into Action, Fighting, Adventure, Racing and etc

The reason it exploded was because of its graphics

[QUOTE="desktopdefender"][QUOTE="J_Swayze"]

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]Cows must really be scared of Halo3 to constantly make threads about it.J_Swayze

Majority PS3 owners can care less about FPS....We're more into Action, Fighting, Adventure, Racing and etc

The reason it exploded was because of its graphics

Though the Animations are amazing, really impressive

If I were a COW I wouldn't wanna play FPS's... their controller sux for it. THe only genre of game that is better on a PS controller is "fighting", because they have a superior D-Pad. And I'll take a good FPS over a fighting game anyday.Zandeus

And unluckily for them, WE'RE the ones with the superior version of VF5 and have Dead or Alive 4 whereas all they have is Tekken.

If I were a COW I wouldn't wanna play FPS's... their controller sux for it. THe only genre of game that is better on a PS controller is "fighting", because they have a superior D-Pad. And I'll take a good FPS over a fighting game anyday.Zandeus

http://au.gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html

Its hard to beleive..... :P

Yes Halo is going to have its work pretty cut out....

My money is one Crysis, Bioshock and UT3..........

I have a hunch Bioshock will win FPS GOTY over Crysis though.... Just a hunch.

skrat_01

I don't think a game automatically wins just because it has more game play features than another game. If a game is damn fun then new game play features really don't matter.

CoD 4 can somehow get away with this. Halo can't. I think both those games have greater chances at FPS GOTY than some other FPSs.

And UT3? I don't think that series has ever won FPS GOTY here at GS. May be wrong though.

Lemmings should just forget GotY. With this many promising shooters out, Halo 3's generic standards will be more obvious compared to the upcoming FPS.

Take a look at Halo 2 and all its competition for GotY. It garnered Gamespy's GotY but lost out to Half-Life 2 in IGN while WoW took Gamespot's GotY. Gamespot's shooter of the year was given to Half-Life 2. Half-Life 2 was extremely groundbreaking for its graphics, A.I. and physics and Crysis is practically synonymous with what Half-Life 2 did for FPS. The only other FPS that was high profile in 2004 was Doom 3 and that FPS was a disappointment.

Now, we're in 2007. Many, many FPS in the works. And on top of them, many, many more GotY contenders like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, and (to appease the sheeps) Super Mario Galaxy. FPS specifically?

Crysis, which will come out before Halo 3
Haze
UT3
Call of Duty 4
Bioshock
HL2 Orange Box
Blacksite Area 51

Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brothers In Arms Hell's Highway

Did I get them all?

With all these FPS coming out and the standard of FPS raised beyond Halo's roof, we will finally and clearly see that Halo 3 is nothing special. I think Crysis will take GotY.

NobuoMusicMaker

I agree that the chances of Halo 3 winning GOTY does not look good, but considering that most of those games are coming out on the 360, it is not exactly bad news for 360 owners (unless you only care about Halo).

The top contenders for me are Bioshock and Crysis, and no matter which one wins, it is still good news for 360 owners. There is no shame in loosing to a game like Crysis and Bioshock would mean a win for the 360 as well.

There are three games which I am unsure of when it comes to GOTY, and they are MP3, Assassin Creedand Uncharted. I think this games could be real contenders if theydeliver on what they promise.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Yes Halo is going to have its work pretty cut out....

My money is one Crysis, Bioshock and UT3..........

I have a hunch Bioshock will win FPS GOTY over Crysis though.... Just a hunch.

FrozenLiquid

I don't think a game automatically wins just because it has more game play features than another game. If a game is damn fun then new game play features really don't matter.

CoD 4 can somehow get away with this. Halo can't. I think both those games have greater chances at FPS GOTY than some other FPSs.

And UT3? I don't think that series has ever won FPS GOTY here at GS. May be wrong though.

Well COD4, and Halo 3 dont seem to be introducing any new formulas to their legacy.

UT3, you could say the same about.... But the devs are packing in a huge amount of content, and were still yet to see the SP. So yea, I guess it does fall into the same category as Halo 3 and COD4.

Crysis, well its pretty obvius why I think it could be FPS GoTY........ It has so much going for it.

But Bioshock..... It has somthing about it. The story, the enviroment, the enimies, the ways of fighting... And all from the makers of System Shock.... I think its neck and neck with Crysis for FPS GOTY - but that is opinion.

The way I see it, Halo 3 is going to have to be considerably better than Halo CE or Halo 2 to have a chance at GOTY or Shooter of the year.

GOTY is usually reserved for what seems to be fresh and sometimes genre defining experiences: Gears of War, World of Warcraft, GTA 3, The Sims, Grim Fandango, Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, etc. The history of game of the year comes from dynamic and new experiences (and an inproportionate amount of Blizzard games it seems). The only game I can think of that stands as an exception to this rule is the Wind Waker, and you can debate over how much of a fresh experience that gave from Ocarina of Time.

I'm just not yet sure that Halo 3 is going to be this fresh new experience required to scoop up the title. Sure, it'll combine all that classic Halo gameplay we (and by that I mean myself and Halo fans, since I know it isn't universally appreciated) love, but if it's only going to evolve and upgrade it's foundations, I'm not sure it can compete in a year full of titles that look set to up the threshold.

In 2001 and 2004, it's earlier renditions failed to win the awards. With FPS like MP3, UT3, COD4, Crysis and Bioshock (the last two in particular seem to be attempting that dynamic experience), Halo 3 seems to have much more competition on it's plate in 2007 than in those years.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="jimmygrace"]

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

FrozenLiquid

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="jimmygrace"]

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

Greyhound222

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

Perfect Dark :lol:

Woops

[QUOTE="Greyhound222"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="jimmygrace"]

Thats funny cuz all I hear is "Halo killer" meaning everyone who says it must consider Halo the standard for FPS.

FrozenLiquid

Uh because Halo started the whole console FPS thing, which isn't much to brag about. You guys already got owned when Halo 2 moved to PC so I'll just leave it to that. Halo killed itself.

GoldenEye started the console FPS rage.

Perfect Eye as well.

Halo merely brought the standards amongst the PC shooters.

Perfect Dark :lol:

Woops

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