Halo 3:ODST is now a full game

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1007087p1.html

And from the Link.

ODST is one of the most curious offshoots of the Halo universe to date - whereas Bungie's numbered efforts in the series have been full-blooded, triple A blockbusters, ODST seems to be suffering something of a personality crisis. First announced as an add-on for Halo 3, its diminutive price tag reflected a dip in scale from the epic canvas on which Halo 3 was painted. Six months later however, it has grown to a full price affair.

"Over the course of development it got a lot bigger than we were anticipating," says Bakken. "We thought of it more as an expansion and then it grew well beyond that. We didn't really talk about it until E3 this year, and it's something internally that Microsoft saw and said; 'What are you talking about - this is a full game.'"

Microsoft Game Studio's Ryan Crosby chimes in; "The scope changed significantly as we went along, and every time we saw it the game got longer, the spaces got bigger, new things were added. Certainly when you sit down with it, it's a lot more than just an expansion pack."

Another link!!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/halo-3-odst-hands-on

Another!!!

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/090603HaloODST.aspx

Bungie Podcasts also confirm this.

Let it end here. Please.

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

Now to just buy a 360 so that buying this game would make sense. :cry:

Awesome stuff. Finally some one actually posted real info instead of just saying, "ODST is an expansion, Bungie said so last year".

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

BioShockOwnz

Someone told me you had a huge list of multiplat games for holiday 09. Would you list them for me?

Also, I thought ODST being a full game was common knowledge by now?

I'll believe it when the reviews come out. IGN always sugar coats previews anyway.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

ActicEdge

Someone told me you had a huge list of multiplat games for holiday 09. Would you list them for me?

Also, I thought ODST being a full game was common knowledge by now?

So...exactly how long is it now?killab2oo5

Seems like Microsoft forced them into it.

Seems like Microsoft forced them into it.

Nike_Air

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Seems like Microsoft forced them into it.

Avian005

And how do you know? companies would do anything to make money, even though to take advantage of there fanbase..

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]So...exactly how long is it now?Next-Gen-Tec

I cant wait for this game. The campaign and firefight looks a lot fun :)

Seems like Microsoft forced them into it.

Nike_Air

They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Seems like Microsoft forced them into it.

Avian005

They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Avian005"]

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]Bungie's is one of those developers that doesn't lie to their fanbase.

II-FBIsniper-II

They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.Vandalvideo

Well, I am sure you have all the inside info.

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

BioShockOwnz

i got it. 4 hours or less= expansion.

5 hours+ beta=+backwards compatible=+1 new mode+ full game

They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.Vandalvideo

Expansion is an ambiguous term really. Halo 2 merely expands the story of Halo 1. Many sequel or offshoots are mere developments of a particular story or universe.

Expansion is an ambiguous term really. Halo 2 merely expands the story of Halo 1. Many sequel or offshoots are mere developments of a particular story or universe.poptart

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

ReaperV7

It seems you haven't done enough research on the title if that's all you believe is different. The entire city is sandbox (well, after the beginning tutorial-style part) and it's very much a noir-style adventure game (quoting Bungie) about discovery. The only part you're talking about is what you do in the missions, not the actual hub sandbox world area, which is where the majority of the game will take place. Think of it like Alan Wake, which in its case you adventure during the day, then have intense combat at night. It's basically the opposite here (adventuring at night, and most missions so far look to be in daylight areas).

This is a completely different approach to Halo, and there also just aren't many FPS's like it these days.

[QUOTE="poptart"]Expansion is an ambiguous term really. Halo 2 merely expands the story of Halo 1. Many sequel or offshoots are mere developments of a particular story or universe.Vandalvideo

LOL That would make WoW and expansion to CoD4.boredy-Mcbored

[QUOTE="poptart"]Expansion is an ambiguous term really. Halo 2 merely expands the story of Halo 1. Many sequel or offshoots are mere developments of a particular story or universe.Vandalvideo

By your definition there are many games we define as sequels that we would have to reposition as mere expansions. The same assets, game engines, 'interplayability' - how would GeoW 2 or Mass Effect 2 not be considered expansions by your own terms? If you read Bioshocks insight into the game above me, you'll realise ODST is probably a greater departure from the series than Halo 2 was of Halo 1.

And yes, expansion by your definition is rather ambiguous.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Avian005"] lol, they are also one of those developers that don't listen to their fanbase as well.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.ArcticWolf77

Well, I am sure you have all the inside info.

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

BioShockOwnz

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

hy4k

We will see when the reviews come out bu7t as of right now I would rather go by what Bungie says.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Yup. It's well worth my $60. A day one purchase. The campaign looks great and unique.

hy4k

No, I just know what's in the package and its worth. I always said it'd be $60, even when it was still listed as $40. Check out my old posts. Make any assumption you'd like, but I'm very well educated about my purchases and buy what I want. There's no need for you to disrespect those who feel differently than you do, but I guess that's the same ol', same ol' in System Wars.

Well, I am sure you have all the inside info.ArcticWolf77

By your definition there are many games we define as sequels that we would have to reposition as mere expansions. The same assets, game engines, 'interplayability' - how would GeoW 2 or Mass Effect 2 not be considered expansions by your own terms? If you read Bioshocks insight into the game above me, you'll realise ODST is probably a greater departure from the series than Halo 2 was of Halo 1.And yes, expansion by your definition is rather ambiguous.poptart

[QUOTE="poptart"]Expansion is an ambiguous term really. Halo 2 merely expands the story of Halo 1. Many sequel or offshoots are mere developments of a particular story or universe.Vandalvideo

]Well I think the developers are a better source for what they game will be like then people in a forum that have not had a hand in developing the game let alone even play it.

We will see when the reviews come out bu7t as of right now I would rather go by what Bungie says.

rybe1025

They need this to sell, so don't they have to say this?

I guess I'm glad, BUT the proof will be when it comes out. :)

[QUOTE="poptart"]By your definition there are many games we define as sequels that we would have to reposition as mere expansions. The same assets, game engines, 'interplayability' - how would GeoW 2 or Mass Effect 2 not be considered expansions by your own terms? If you read Bioshocks insight into the game above me, you'll realise ODST is probably a greater departure from the series than Halo 2 was of Halo 1.And yes, expansion by your definition is rather ambiguous.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]]Well I think the developers are a better source for what they game will be like then people in a forum that have not had a hand in developing the game let alone even play it.

We will see when the reviews come out bu7t as of right now I would rather go by what Bungie says.

hy4k

It will be the same length of Halo 3 IMO or just a tad shorter. People are only whining cause its Halo, and i guess Halo murdered their families, and shot their dog.

Microsoft saw and said; 'What are you talking about - this is a full game.'"

ArcticWolf77

Theres the problem right there.

[QUOTE="poptart"]By your definition there are many games we define as sequels that we would have to reposition as mere expansions. The same assets, game engines, 'interplayability' - how would GeoW 2 or Mass Effect 2 not be considered expansions by your own terms? If you read Bioshocks insight into the game above me, you'll realise ODST is probably a greater departure from the series than Halo 2 was of Halo 1.And yes, expansion by your definition is rather ambiguous.Vandalvideo

"It is alright if you use the same engine, but if any assets are used, ti is an expansion."

And in order to expand upon a particular gaming universe e.g. Halo, by and large we need fixed assets, however if we take your statement above, then it would not be a sequel, merely an expansion?

Is your definition correct? Well yes if we take it in the very literal sense, however the English language is figurative by nature.

PS - it the Skippy opening was referring to me being Australian, I actually just live here - from the UK innit :)

Don't forget PC games there yourself, skippy. The likes of the legendary Baldur's Gate II could well be an "expansion pack" by your definition... Shadow Warrior to Duke 3D... Not to mention the legendary Doom II. Starcraft used the Warcraft II engine, for that matter (I'm sure you remember the "Orcs in space" moniker it had attached to it prior to release - that was in large part why). I'd be happy considering *all* of those expansion packs... But those were all full price PC expansions packs in that case, and expansion pack is *not* a derogatory term, even when used to discuss pricing, if that's the case. I guess that would throw a monkey wrench into the people claiming that it's ridiculous to charge full price for an expansion pack, that definition of yours there... SkippyOh, I believe Fallout II as well... The Banjo series of the N64. The Donkey Kong Country series... Wow, that's a lot of *extremely* popular games which have been considered sequels, and not expansions, for decades which are expansions by your definition. Oh me oh my... Well, I guess a lot of people don't have your "indepth knowledge of what expansions are" ;)Shafftehr

"It is alright if you use the same engine, but if any assets are used, ti is an expansion." And in order to expand upon a particular gaming universe e.g. Halo, by and large we need fixed assets, however if we take your statement above, then it would not be a sequel, merely an expansion Is your definition correct? Well yes if we take it in the very literal sense, however the English language is figurative by nature.PS - it the Skippy opening was referring to me being Australian, I actually just live here - from the UK innit :)poptart

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Don't forget PC games there yourself, skippy. The likes of the legendary Baldur's Gate II could well be an "expansion pack" by your definition... Shadow Warrior to Duke 3D... Not to mention the legendary Doom II. Starcraft used the Warcraft II engine, for that matter (I'm sure you remember the "Orcs in space" moniker it had attached to it prior to release - that was in large part why). I'd be happy considering *all* of those expansion packs... But those were all full price PC expansions packs in that case, and expansion pack is *not* a derogatory term, even when used to discuss pricing, if that's the case. I guess that would throw a monkey wrench into the people claiming that it's ridiculous to charge full price for an expansion pack, that definition of yours there... SkippyOh, I believe Fallout II as well... The Banjo series of the N64. The Donkey Kong Country series... Wow, that's a lot of *extremely* popular games which have been considered sequels, and not expansions, for decades which are expansions by your definition. Oh me oh my... Well, I guess a lot of people don't have your "indepth knowledge of what expansions are" ;)Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] I did. I think the only one that that disqualifies is Starcraft. Shadow Warrior, Baldur's Gate II, the Megaman series, Banjo, Doom II... All used many of the same models and geometry, same sound effects, same engine. Shame on those greedy companies for charging full price for those expansions!Vandalvideo

They can pretend is not an expansion all day long, it is an expansion.Vandalvideo