Halo 3's September release and its effect on the Console War.

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#1 rykaziel
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Recently, it was rumoured that instead of Halo 3 being released in November, that Microsoft and Bungie were aiming for a September release date (Link).  While many fans don't want the game to be rushed, I could care less, as Halo 2 ruined the series for me anyways.  But the bigger picture is, Microsoft can get their primary system seller out the door BEFORE the release of GTA IV.  This, I think, is the reason they are doing this. 

 

Halo 3 will sell a lot of consoles.  A good amount of Halo fans are waiting on getting the 360 until it comes out, so the game's ability to move consoles is pretty well accepted.  Grand Theft Auto is one of the highest selling franchises of all time, so if Microsoft can use Halo 3 to increase its installed base before GTA comes out, the success of GTA will be much higher on the 360 than on PS3.  

 

Will this move put the nail in Sony's coffin?  I don't think so, really.  But it will definitely hurt.  

 

Sorry for my spelling in advance. 

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#2 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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most casuals are stupid and think that gta is only on ps3. so it wouldn't help.
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#3 Infinatey
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sony needs to answer the call by releasing killzone2 and hyping it as if it's the new halo before.
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sony needs to answer the call by releasing killzone2 and hyping it as if it's the new halo before. Infinatey
Yeah, but that didn't work last time, and there's no reason to believe it will be different on their second try.
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#5 billing
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There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world. 

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#6 Infinatey
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[QUOTE="Infinatey"]sony needs to answer the call by releasing killzone2 and hyping it as if it's the new halo before. rykaziel
Yeah, but that didn't work last time, and there's no reason to believe it will be different on their second try.

We all know americans are graphixs whores. We all know this game has a 20million doller development budget, so it's at least expected to look good and have a nice physics system. So...sony slips in some commercials during the summer and the americans go "GRAPHIX!!!! I;m buying!!".
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#7 GunSmith1_basic
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are there really that many halo fans that haven't yet bought the 360?
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#8 GsSanAndreas
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I lol'd wen you said GTA 4 would be better/sell better on the 360. GTA's home is the playstation brand
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#9 imothissucks
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can't wait for the delay to come!
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#10 youngtongue
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most casuals are stupid and think that gta is only on ps3. so it wouldn't help.paullywog
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#11 billing
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are there really that many halo fans that haven't yet bought the 360?GunSmith1_basic

Yes,

Since Halo 1 & 2  is still playable without a 360.

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#12 Heith
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There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

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WoW may have a bigger fanbase.. but that is about it.  I agree for the most part, it's gonna hurt a lot.
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#13 Kook18
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I don't really care for halo either. But I can already imagince SW: if it gets 9.0+ lots of 'owned' threads by lemms & damage control threads by the trollcows (keywii) 8.9- lots of 'owned' threads by cows & damage control threads by lemms. if halo 3 dos flop, i would bet quite a few people would take back their 360s, I've talked to a bunch that like the 360 games, but they really just want to play halo3.
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I lol'd wen you said GTA 4 would be better/sell better on the 360. GTA's home is the playstation brandGsSanAndreas
More people own 360's, so naturally it will sell better on the 360. It's the same reason why DMC4 is no longer exclusive.
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#15 eastside49er
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The 360 is delivering 3 haymakers in late 2007. Halo 3, Lost Odyssey and GTA IV. Add these games, plus the fact that a price drop will probably happen sometime between now and then, well the sales of the 360 should be the best yet.
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#16 billing
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[QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

Heith

WoW may have a bigger fanbase.. but that is about it. I agree for the most part, it's gonna hurt a lot.

WOW is a freak of nature, virtual drug.

It's really unfair to compare it with anything. :-) 

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#17 KillaHalo2o9
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Halo3 will kill :P
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#18 Raidea
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I lol'd wen you said GTA 4 would be better/sell better on the 360. GTA's home is the playstation brandGsSanAndreas

With current install bases and attach rates it will sell better on the 360.

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There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

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ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.
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#20 billing
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[QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

ff7isnumbaone

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo 1 & 2 is actually spit into 2 seperate communities.

Fans tworn between 2 belief. 

Halo 3 will be The Reunion, a reformation of the Biggest Most Successful Console FPS Ever Made.

 

 

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[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

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ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo 1 & 2 is actually spit into 2 seperate communities.

Fans tworn between 2 belief.

Halo 3 will be The Reunion, a reformation of the Biggest Most Successful Console FPS Ever Made.

i doubt that. halo 2 was a disappointment imo, i dont think it'll be the most successful console fps ever....
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[QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

ff7isnumbaone

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo sales,
  • Halo 2 (8 million)[40]
  • Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[41]
So your saying the Halo fanbase is actually 13 million?

 

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#23 billing
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[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

Raidea

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo sales,
  • Halo 2 (8 million)[40]
  • Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[41]
So your saying the Halo fanbase is actually 13 million?

 

I don't know the real numbers,

I only stated that it is the biggest. 

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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

billing

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo sales,
  • Halo 2 (8 million)[40]
  • Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[41]
So your saying the Halo fanbase is actually 13 million?

I don't know the real numbers,

I only stated that it is the biggest.

i think the mario series is bigger
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#25 billing
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[QUOTE="billing"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

crashintome202

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo sales,
  • Halo 2 (8 million)[40]
  • Halo: Combat Evolved (5 million)[41]
So your saying the Halo fanbase is actually 13 million?

 

I don't know the real numbers,

I only stated that it is the biggest.

i think the mario series is bigger

Until they grow up and play Halo 

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#26 eastside49er
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Halo 2 actually sold around 9 million WW and Halo sold over 6 million. Combined they sold close to 15+ million WW. I'd like to think that Halo would have had more sales if not for the fact it was the first title in the series on a brand new console, from a company who had never made a console.

 Halo 3 IMO will probably outsell both and move more 360s than any other game this fall.

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Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.
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Halo 2 actually sold around 9 million WW and Halo sold over 6 million. Combined they sold close to 15+ million WW. I'd like to think that Halo would have had more sales if not for the fact it was the first title in the series on a brand new console, from a company who had never made a console.

Halo 3 IMO will probably outsell both and move more 360s than any other game this fall.

eastside49er
plus live probably boosted sales for halo 2 as well for people who didn't bother with halo CE.
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[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

Halo 2 actually sold around 9 million WW and Halo sold over 6 million. Combined they sold close to 15+ million WW. I'd like to think that Halo would have had more sales if not for the fact it was the first title in the series on a brand new console, from a company who had never made a console.

Halo 3 IMO will probably outsell both and move more 360s than any other game this fall.

Kook18

plus live probably boosted sales for halo 2 as well for people who didn't bother with halo CE.

That is true. Considering XBL has nearly tripled its user base in the last year, Halo 3 IMO will not only push 360 sales, but XBL sales as well and in the end will probably overall sell 10+ million copies WW.

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Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.shsonline
Heh...
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[QUOTE="shsonline"]Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.Doom_HellKnight
Heh...

well considering it kept the xbox alive for a year against the PS2, thats a pretty strong thing to do for a new I.P.
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[QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"][QUOTE="shsonline"]Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.Kook18
Heh...

well considering it kept the xbox alive for a year against the PS2, thats a pretty strong thing to do for a new I.P.

Warcraft?
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[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"][QUOTE="shsonline"]Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.imothissucks
Heh...

well considering it kept the xbox alive for a year against the PS2, thats a pretty strong thing to do for a new I.P.

Warcraft?

uhh
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#34 imothissucks
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[QUOTE="imothissucks"][QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"][QUOTE="shsonline"]Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.Kook18
Heh...

well considering it kept the xbox alive for a year against the PS2, thats a pretty strong thing to do for a new I.P.

Warcraft?

uhh

as in the most powerful francise with 3 and world it has alot of users
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#35 Kook18
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[QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="imothissucks"][QUOTE="Kook18"][QUOTE="Doom_HellKnight"][QUOTE="shsonline"]Halo right now is the most powerful videogame franchise today.imothissucks
Heh...

well considering it kept the xbox alive for a year against the PS2, thats a pretty strong thing to do for a new I.P.

Warcraft?

uhh

as in the most powerful francise with 3 and world it has alot of users

well i don't think halo is the biggest franchise around, but it is pretty big. yes warcraft is probably one of the biggest. especially being able to take MMOs into the mainstream.
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[QUOTE="ff7isnumbaone"][QUOTE="billing"]

There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

billing

ok? yea people like halo. But all the poeple that like halo didn't buy it. So your message is an opinion.

Halo 1 & 2 is actually spit into 2 seperate communities.

Fans tworn between 2 belief. 

Halo 3 will be The Reunion, a reformation of the Biggest Most Successful Console FPS Ever Made.

 

 

its the most successful shooter ever made on any platform which other shooter has this much hype and this many sales? and ms really has to market gta being on 360 they should try and air as many ads as possible which only mention that gta is on 360 and dont mention ps3
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I lol'd wen you said GTA 4 would be better/sell better on the 360. GTA's home is the playstation brandGsSanAndreas
More people will buy GTA4 for 360 this holiday than ps3.
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[QUOTE="GsSanAndreas"]I lol'd wen you said GTA 4 would be better/sell better on the 360. GTA's home is the playstation brandBrown52
More people will buy GTA4 for 360 this holiday than ps3.

yep, the 360 player base is already there. gta is going to do really well there. it'll push ps3 consoles too, but i don't see it pushing enough ps3 consoles versus the people who already have a 360 that'll buy it.
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#39 Spartan070
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Bungie and MS don't give a damn about GTA when it comes to Halo, GTA is not going to deny Halo 3 any sales.
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Bungie and MS don't give a damn about GTA when it comes to Halo, GTA is not going to deny Halo 3 any sales.Spartan070
GTA helps MS sell consoles, you bet your ass they care about it.
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[QUOTE="rykaziel"][QUOTE="Infinatey"]sony needs to answer the call by releasing killzone2 and hyping it as if it's the new halo before. Infinatey
Yeah, but that didn't work last time, and there's no reason to believe it will be different on their second try.

We all know americans are graphixs whores. We all know this game has a 20million doller development budget, so it's at least expected to look good and have a nice physics system. So...sony slips in some commercials during the summer and the americans go "GRAPHIX!!!! I;m buying!!".

nice generalizing there:|

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Not going to affect me in any way.

SSBB, SMG and MP3C will be releasing late 2007. There is absolutely massive sales right there.
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most casuals are stupid and think that gta is only on ps3. so it wouldn't help.paullywog
yeah and then when the marketing blitz over the summer comes into effect, most casuals will spend 200 bucks less for gta 4
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#44 nybritboy
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are there really that many halo fans that haven't yet bought the 360?GunSmith1_basic
according to MS: 50% of 360 owners didnt own xbox. halo2 is still 2nd most played LIVE game if you combined numbers for 360 and xbox, however it doesnt appear on 360 top ten list, so safe to say a hell of a lot of people are still playing halo2 on original xbox and waiting to upgrade
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#45 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Bungie and MS don't give a damn about GTA when it comes to Halo, GTA is not going to deny Halo 3 any sales.rykaziel
GTA helps MS sell consoles, you bet your ass they care about it.

I said they don't care about it "when it comes to Halo." GTA will not get in the way of Halo sales, or vice versa.
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#46 anprionsa
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Halo 3, whether you like or not, will sell Xbox 360's. It's just a matter of the name. It's one of them most known franchises in gaming for America and Europe. It's got the Red vs. Blue thing and a huge community. IT will help sell the 360. And if they get it before GTA IV, GTA will sell even better. It's a great marketing ploy. And there is a great chance it will boost the rest of the games sales for the 360 as well. And you can quote me!
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I don't really care for halo either. But I can already imagince SW: if it gets 9.0+ lots of 'owned' threads by lemms & damage control threads by the trollcows (keywii) 8.9- lots of 'owned' threads by cows & damage control threads by lemms. if halo 3 dos flop, i would bet quite a few people would take back their 360s, I've talked to a bunch that like the 360 games, but they really just want to play halo3.Kook18
You won't see the reaction that we saw from sheep when Zelda TP got 8.8. Halo fans expect a 9 or higher, but we don't think that Halo 3 is "entitled" to it.
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#48 rykaziel
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[QUOTE="Kook18"]I don't really care for halo either. But I can already imagince SW: if it gets 9.0+ lots of 'owned' threads by lemms & damage control threads by the trollcows (keywii) 8.9- lots of 'owned' threads by cows & damage control threads by lemms. if halo 3 dos flop, i would bet quite a few people would take back their 360s, I've talked to a bunch that like the 360 games, but they really just want to play halo3.Berserker_2
You won't see the reaction that we saw from sheep when Zelda TP got 8.8. Halo fans expect a 9 or higher, but we don't think that Halo 3 is "entitled" to it.

I actually think it won't get AAA, but it won't matter. The masses will buy it anyway because it's Halo.
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There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world. 

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Do you have any clue what you're talking about?  Let me answer that for you.  No, you don't.

There are a handful of series that have larger fanbases.  Halo is big, but it isn't even close to being the biggest thing in gaming.

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#50 thinicer
Member since 2006 • 3704 Posts
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There is no fanbase bigger then the Halo 3 community.

It'll be a haymaker felt around the world.

i_like_pizza

Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Let me answer that for you. No, you don't.

There are a handful of series that have larger fanbases. Halo is big, but it isn't even close to being the biggest thing in gaming.

I think that for the US it is the biggest, but not world-wide.