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#1  Edited By chikenfriedrice
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This is according to a new blog post on the Xbox Wire, which describes 343 Industries' solution as a "new progressive resolution system." It allows the game to run at 1080p when possible; at other times, the resolution can decrease "based on the needs of the scene," Microsoft explained. "This enables us to deploy resources where they have most impact across a diverse series of experiences throughout the game while delivering the most visually stunning Halo game ever."

"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps," explained campaign environment art lead Justin Dinges.

"Without this system, we would need to either reduce the scale of our most intense combat encounters or lower the quality of content across the game in order to stay at 60fps at all times. With progressive resolution, we get the best of both worlds: epic scale experiences that look incredible while running at a consistent 60fps."

Okay with this folks? I appreciate the focus on 60fps, which is most important. And this better be the "most stunning Halo game ever" if we can't get full time 1080P.

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#2 finalstar2007
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Does anyone even care for Halo anymore? its barely selling on amazon and intro trailer barely got any views :P

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#3  Edited By chikenfriedrice
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@finalstar2007 said:

Does anyone even care for Halo anymore? its barely selling on amazon and intro trailer barely got any views :P

Millions do, yes.

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#4 BassMan  Online
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It is a good approach as 60 fps is crucial. Shame that it is still running on shit console hardware and they have to resort to these measures. They should just release it on PC as well where we can play the game properly with max settings, high fps, and KB+M controls.

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#5 Blabadon
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Their aim for 60 FPS makes me not care, this is awesome and should be standard for FPS games.

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#6 MlauTheDaft
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Sounds neat, but they better make sure the changes are smooth, because that could potentially be jarring as ****.

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#7 EG101
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IMO, all games that can't maintain a steady Frame Rate should use a variable Res.

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@finalstar2007 said:

Does anyone even care for Halo anymore? its barely selling on amazon and intro trailer barely got any views :P

People sure care about it more than PlayStation's inferior FPS games.

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#10 uninspiredcup
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My gods, that "sometimes" make it almost 1/4 as good as pc gaming every 5 minutes for every 3 hours.

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#11  Edited By lamprey263
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according to Digital Foundry (from a video someone hear posted a while back) the game has a variable near 60fps framerate but then has sections of flat steady realtime rendered 30fps in-game gameplay which is kind is kind of head scratching

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#12  Edited By AM-Gamer
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So it's like the engine that powers RAGE.

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#13 blueinheaven
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I love Halo (I mean really love it) but this is a bit disappointing. 1080p and 60fps for an FPS can't be that difficult to pull off.

I expect it's because all the extra stuff happening on screen is down to the fact it's squad based which I didn't want anyway. Obviously I'll buy it anyway, slave to tradition that I am.

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"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps"

Sounds pretty damn good to me

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"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps,"

Good decision. If one thing has to be compromised, it should be resolution. Can't stand cinematic frame rates anymore. On PC I turn off some settings if necessary to achieve constant/higher frame rates. The experience is way better that way.

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#16 mems_1224
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@finalstar2007: more than the shitty weebo trash you always hype

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#17 Moistcarrot
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These fucking consoles.

Oh well, as long as the it's a stable 60fps then it doesn't really matter too much.

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#18  Edited By sonic_spark
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@chikenfriedrice said:
@finalstar2007 said:

Does anyone even care for Halo anymore? its barely selling on amazon and intro trailer barely got any views :P

Millions do, yes.

That response was right on the money. I lol'ed. Halo is still huge.

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#19 blueinheaven
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@moistcarrot said:

These fucking consoles.

Oh well, as long as the it's a stable 60fps then it doesn't really matter too much.

I thought as the gen progressed they woud learn to use them better, oh well.

In this case though I'm convinced their insistence on squad bullshit means they used too many assets to maintain that res and frame rate. 343 absolutely determined to make Halo a MP experience and **** everything else.

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#20 mems_1224
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Halo looks pretty damn sexy at 60fps

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#21 sailor232
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@mems_1224: The game looks great, I cant wait until there's more going on on-screen, will be glorious. Another solid Halo in the franchise, cant wait. One more month.

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#22  Edited By Wickerman777
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Considering the specs of X1 I thought it was a little silly of them to promise 1080p/60 right off the jump. Maybe the 60 fps but not both. But I applaud the solution they've come up with. Framerate > resolution. Ya hear that, CDR?

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#23 chikenfriedrice
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@mems_1224: I haven't seen much of the single player....that video looks damn good.

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#24 blueinheaven
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@sailor232 said:

@mems_1224: The game looks great, I cant wait until there's more going on on-screen, will be glorious. Another solid Halo in the franchise, cant wait. One more month.

It doesn't look any better than Halo 4 which was made for the 360. Presumably the 60fps holy grail for 343 for the MP is all that mattered. It still looks good if you're a Halo fan but it's going to look distinctly average even by X1 standards judging by that video.

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#25 silversix_
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1080p in the menus. 810-830p during gameplay. Please be excited, we worked hard on this one.

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#26  Edited By chikenfriedrice
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@silversix_: Not what they said

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#27  Edited By Wickerman777
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@mems_1224 said:

Halo looks pretty damn sexy at 60fps

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That does look nice. It's the smoothness that does it. 60 fps jumps out at you from across a room, is noticeable immediately. So many devs underestimate what it does for a game.

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#28 silversix_
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@chikenfriedrice said:

@silversix_: Not what they said

we've already seen this "dynamic res" in tw3, we know how it works on the 5 billion X1's transistors.

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#29 BassMan  Online
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Actually I really liked this approach. Because stable frame rate is more important. And I am ok to encounter slightly lower frame rate in an intense 0.5 second scene. And with this type of technology, we can game on PC with 4K without suffering unstable frame rate.

They could even lower the resolution on the partition where I normally don't look, like top and bottom of the screen. I don't want black bars of course, but, I don't care much when their resolution drops for less than a second.

Even if the two bars area are frequently lower resolution, I think it is not much a big deal in favor of frame rate. Of course, they should allow me to select how low frame rate I am ok with. Honestly 30 fps is not that bad, it was actually amazingly smooth on FH2.

FH2 30fps was not smooth. It was steady, but not smooth. 30fps is 30fps. They tried to mask the judder with excessive motion blur, but it didn't work. The game ended up being both juddery and blurry. The main FM series is nice and smooth though. :)

Also, this dynamic resolution is common with id Tech 5 games.

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#30  Edited By BassMan  Online
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@Wickerman777 said:

Considering the specs of X1 I thought it was a little silly of them to promise 1080p/60 right off the jump. Maybe the 60 fps but not both. But I applaud the solution they've come up with. Framerate > resolution. Ya hear that, CDR?

That is just the CDPR's way of saying... you really should be playing this on PC as these consoles are shit.

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#31 senses_fail_06
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Sub 1080, can't even get splitscreen.

Lol.

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#32 silversix_
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random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

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#33  Edited By BassMan  Online
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@silversix_ said:
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random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

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@RR360DD said:

"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps"

Sounds pretty damn good to me

Cows will be pouring in here "I can totally tell the difference when it dips from 1080p to 997p"

They are experts in resolution you know. lol

I will be fine with this. Metal Gear 5 looks amazing to me and 900p vs 1080p isn't even a thing.

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#35 silversix_
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@BassMan said:
@silversix_ said:
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random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

who said this looks better than crysis 3? of course crysis 3 shits on this but that's not the point. im comparing destiny to halo 5, not crysis 3.

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In other words they prioritized the gameplay over the visuals, good call as far as I'm concerned.

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#37  Edited By R3FURBISHED
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The focus has always been 60fps, 1080p was just a "if it can be done without hampering the framerate" thing.

343 stated that framerate was more important than resolution like a year or two ago, I just can't find the original link.

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#38  Edited By BassMan  Online
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@silversix_: I only mentioned C3 because that level reminds me of it... and it was an opportunity to make fun of the consoles. lol.

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@senses_fail_06 said:

Sub 1080, can't even get splitscreen.

Lol.

Splitscreen is getting dumped by a lot of studios. These consoles suck too bad for it.

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@GreySeal9: They don't care enough though as PS4 is outselling Xbox One badly and Xbox 360 owners are buying PS4s now.

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#41 Wickerman777
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@silversix_ said:
@BassMan said:
@silversix_ said:
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random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

who said this looks better than crysis 3? of course crysis 3 shits on this but that's not the point. im comparing destiny to halo 5, not crysis 3.

Lol, trips me out how much Destiny looks like Halo. Bungie claimed they were tired of making the same thing so they go out and make a Halo mmo that isn't a Halo mmo but really ... it's a Halo mmo. And now they have less control over things than they ever did.

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#42 speedfog
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@finalstar2007 said:

Does anyone even care for Halo anymore? its barely selling on amazon and intro trailer barely got any views :P

Yet you care about Destiny.

I like it as long as we really don't see a huge impact on it.

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#43 silversix_
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@Wickerman777 said:
@silversix_ said:
@BassMan said:
@silversix_ said:
Loading Video...

random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

who said this looks better than crysis 3? of course crysis 3 shits on this but that's not the point. im comparing destiny to halo 5, not crysis 3.

Lol, trips me out how much Destiny looks like Halo. Bungie claimed they were tired of making the same thing so they go out and make a Halo mmo that isn't a Halo mmo but really ... it's a Halo mmo. And now they have less control over things than they ever did.

it is and if there's one thing that isn't mediocre in that game its the gunplay.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps,"

Good decision. If one thing has to be compromised, it should be resolution. Can't stand cinematic frame rates anymore. On PC I turn off some settings if necessary to achieve constant/higher frame rates. The experience is way better that way.

Hypocrite...

That is a trade off,trade off are for peasant...hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sacrificing frames for resolution = Bad

Sacrificing effects for frames = Great.

@chikenfriedrice said:

@silversix_: Not what they said

But that is how dynamic resolution games on xbox on work,COD advanced war,Wolfenstein,The witcher 3 non hold 1080p and are almost always lower,COD 1360x1080p mostly,Wolfenstein 954x1080 i think which is closer to 720p than 1080p and Witcher 3 is only 1080p one the menu...lol'

They should sue CD project for false advertising..

@silversix_ said:
@chikenfriedrice said:

@silversix_: Not what they said

we've already seen this "dynamic res" in tw3, we know how it works on the 5 billion X1's transistors.

lol I remember how ronvalencia use to trow the 5 billion crap at me so did other lemmings..hahahaha

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#45 chikenfriedrice
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@tormentos: I guess you are okay with the PS4's trade offs lol.....at least 343 is sacrificing the right thing.

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#46  Edited By lostrib
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@tormentos said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

"In much of the campaign you may be playing at 1080p, but when we want to get really crazy with vehicles, visual effects and combat we can trade some of the resolution in order to maintain the crucial 60fps,"

Good decision. If one thing has to be compromised, it should be resolution. Can't stand cinematic frame rates anymore. On PC I turn off some settings if necessary to achieve constant/higher frame rates. The experience is way better that way.

Hypocrite...

That is a trade off,trade off are for peasant...hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sacrificing frames for resolution = Bad

Sacrificing effects for frames = Great.

How is he being a hypocrite?

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Game looks great, and I already knew the gameplay was going to be fantastic judging from the Beta I played nearly a year ago.

Well done, 343!

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@silversix_ said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@silversix_ said:
@BassMan said:
@silversix_ said:

random pvp maps from Destiny look visually better than the campaign of Halo 5 that mems posted... 343i was a beast for 360, they delivered visuals. What the f*ck happened? Is X1 that weak? Possibilities, lots of them.

WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

who said this looks better than crysis 3? of course crysis 3 shits on this but that's not the point. im comparing destiny to halo 5, not crysis 3.

Lol, trips me out how much Destiny looks like Halo. Bungie claimed they were tired of making the same thing so they go out and make a Halo mmo that isn't a Halo mmo but really ... it's a Halo mmo. And now they have less control over things than they ever did.

it is and if there's one thing that isn't mediocre in that game its the gunplay.

Gunplay doesn't really mean shit when the enemy AI, encounters, level design, missions, story and multiplayer are all fucking garbage.

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#49  Edited By VictorGnome
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Game will be 140p when there's a lot going on.

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#50 silversix_
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@mems_1224 said:
@silversix_ said:
@Wickerman777 said:
@silversix_ said:
@BassMan said:
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WTF is that? A Crysis 3 wannabe? That is begging for someone to post some C3 screens/vids and put that to shame.

who said this looks better than crysis 3? of course crysis 3 shits on this but that's not the point. im comparing destiny to halo 5, not crysis 3.

Lol, trips me out how much Destiny looks like Halo. Bungie claimed they were tired of making the same thing so they go out and make a Halo mmo that isn't a Halo mmo but really ... it's a Halo mmo. And now they have less control over things than they ever did.

it is and if there's one thing that isn't mediocre in that game its the gunplay.

Gunplay doesn't really mean shit when the enemy AI, encounters, level design, missions, story and multiplayer are all fucking garbage.

calm your package i never said destiny is great horry shet