Halo Infinite Conspiracy

This is probably just nonsense in my brain, but do you think it's possible that the whole graphics debacle was by design?

Just like the Sonic movie, where they supposedly put out silly Sonic to rile everyone up over a movie that most wouldn't care about, and then swoop in and save the day.

It's already been said that what was shown was probably an old build, so is it possible/likely that either the next showing or release look markedly better? Sell the cure for the disease you created?

Do you think it's possible, or am I just being silly?

That's how Sonic actually looked at the time before the backlash and that is how Infinite actually looks. There is no conspiracy, only reality.

The reality is that 343i are just shitty developers and Microsoft is just incompetent project managers that don’t care

@BassMan: So you think the backlash changed Sonic, and not that they put out creepy Sonic to create a backlash they could fix? You're probably right.

Everytime I see your name I go "I'm a BASS MAN!"

Anything is possible with shady corps.

@dimebag667: The creators said they changed Sonic because of the backlash. They even hired another animation studio to redo all the scenes with Sonic.

I already have a theme song btw....

:)

@BassMan: haha, fair enough :)

HALO INFINITE>PS5'S WHOLE LINE UP

All we know is that 343 has made nothing but crappy games that Lems tend to defend. Heck they can't even make a remake right. I wish MS and Bungie would work together again and make the best Halo game ever created.

Exactly. Someone at both of these companies decided that those versions were good enough to show. First impressions are everything in gaming. They know this.

Halo Infinite looks exactly as they "intended". There is no conspiracy.

You might as well add that Phil is a Sony plant and killing xbox from the inside with that crazy theory.

Obvious troll is obvious.

That sarcasm?.....Halo infinite will most likely be an average game.....story-wise and gameplay. I don't see it revolutionizing or being any different from previous halo games.

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

@Ant_17: In fairness I did preface this thread with "this is probably nonsense", but do you really think lowering expectations to make your next move appear greater a crazy thought?

Is it not crazy that a game that's been in development for 5-ish years, has a $500 million dollar budget, is the biggest franchise on Xbox, would put out something that wasn't a grandslam? How crazy is that?

Seems like they way they're damage controlling, it's not that kind of conspiracy otherwise they'd be much more confident: "See that? That was just the Xbox One X version (because apparently its still dynamic 4K). We will soon show the Series X version. Be mucho excite! =)"

If they've revealed that it will have 120fps mode then people would've ignored the graphics.

I'm still giving them a chance because like someone said here, a lot could be riding with this because it's Halo and its time for next gen. 4-6 month magic could still happen.

@dimebag667: why damage control then? Why say it ran on pc or blame covid when others are working just fine. They showed the medium in the same event.

@ProtossRushX said:

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

I don't get it. What's wrong with it?

@sealionact said:

@ProtossRushX said:

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

I don't get it. What's wrong with it?

see? Brutes are supposed to look like this.

not a 2008 Orc from World of Warcraft they aren't supposed to look like that.

@ProtossRushX said:

@sealionact said:

@ProtossRushX said:

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

I don't get it. What's wrong with it?

see? Brutes are supposed to look like this.

not a 2008 Orc from World of Warcraft they aren't supposed to look like that.

Just use a lore excuse. Different kind of brutes. Voila!

@Ant_17: that's fair, but Halo is their "big boy" that's already on the ropes from 343s past mistakes. Plenty of people are looking to tear it down, where medium is an unknown quantity.

Again, it could just be that this is the best they can do...it's possible, but it still seems insane to me that this IS the best they can do.

@dimebag667: I dont know dude, maybe they lied about the budget and though that looked great.

@Ant_17: Yeah I don't know man, but even in this wackadoo world it's pretty wackadoo.

I have very little knowledge about game creation, but I have heard people say that a lot of the game doesn't actually come together until the very end. So maybe this is an old build that they had to show, and did so because they knew it would show better down the road. Maybe not nefarious, but still calculated.

@dimebag667: but then you have people saying they liked how it looks so what then? Release it like that and never fix it? Seems like a plan based on luck and no business does that.

@Ant_17: I would assume that the people saying they like it "as is" would say that no matter what. And I think they know that.

So much of modern games and our culture seems to be based on mental manipulation; whether it's outrage, spending habits, belief systems, etc. So to say they did this without intent...I find suspicious. But like I've said, I could be totally wrong.

When games are shown at high profile events they are always shown at their best, including BS that won't make the final build. Games are typically downgraded before launch not upgraded, at least visually. MS can say it was an old build all they want, when in reality this is the best the game looks as they would show it in the best light possible. There is no bait and switch happening here, the only thing left is bug fixes and going gold. Fortunately or unfortunately for lems this is the Halo game for the next 8-10 years sol they can roll out endless patches to improve visuals.

Explain to me what the **** are those minecraft structures doing in a halo game? Like What Are Those??? Art choices are as messed up as the graphics.

@hardwenzen: Blame the young SJW's 343 hires fresh out of school. Clearly the requirements for their art team is about as low as it gets.

No conspiracy just bad incompetent with no talent developer.

Creative Director Tim Longo left in August 2019

Lead Producer Mary Olsen left in October 2019

Hope they actually releases a good game cause all these negative press is really piling on. Oh do hope the pilot is dead by the end of the game for some emotional impact or something.

I am not buying the old build argument, they knew the day would come they'd need this to help sell the XSX and this is what they showed. There's less than four months before release, I don't think there's time for drastic iimprovements.

DF did some interesting takes though everyone that tries to make a thread gets locked. They address the 4K/60fps feed gave noticeable improvement to point they can tell there's detail in the assets, however image still comes out flat, and they attribute it mostly to the dynamic lighting implementation. They think ray-tracing will improve details. Hopefully the lighting issue something they can tweak instead of relying on an RT patch for XSX sometime after launch.

Anyhow, not that I think 343 lacks talent or anything, but once the pandemic hit they should have haulted porting the MCC to PC, I think they've wasted a lot of their resources that should have been prioritized for Infinite.

If you and DF think better lighting will fix this:

You and DF got another thing coming. Look I ain't the smartest guy in the world--especially compared to the guys at DF, but I sure as hell ain't blind either.

@seba20007: Now that was painful to watch, sounded like Mass Effect Andromeda's post mortem. But the one thing brought up numerous times that just sounded the worse was the reporting of their use of hourly paid contractors patching this game together, like how the hell are they supposed to optimize anything in such a fashion.

By the end of the game? No, he better die faster than Joel died in TLOU2

His voice actor, overly expressive face that looks like he's trying to amuse a child and the "please feel sad for his story" can f*ck off. Complete garbage new character, but i am not surprised, because garbage new characters is all 343i has been creating.

But who am i kidding, its not happening. He will waste screen time throught the game. This is just awful.

@ProtossRushX said:

@sealionact said:

@ProtossRushX said:

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

I don't get it. What's wrong with it?

see? Brutes are supposed to look like this.

not a 2008 Orc from World of Warcraft they aren't supposed to look like that.

Just seems like he just shaved.

I don't see the issue.

DF is full of shit. Microsoft no doubt bribed them to damage control this dumpster fire.

Doubt it. MS is behind and need all the good press and momentum they can get to battle PS5.

Showing that shitty ass demo put them many steps back. There's no reason for the graphics for their leading AAA franchise to look like that at this stage. I'd be more understanding if the game was scheduled way down the line, in late 2021. But it's supposedly a launch game in 2020.

I didn't log on here for a while so I probably missed some good Lemming meltdowns and spinny damage control.

I would say that's entirely possible. For people to exclude the idea that companies are getting more creative with their marketing is asinine at best. Look at the negative attention that surrounded TLoU 2... how did that turn out? Sometimes the biggest thing to remember is that exposure is exposure whether good or bad and people don't like to be told what isn't "good"... they like to be there own judges, especially if the company/product in question goes out of their way to "fix" or "improve" what they had previously. This makes that person feel empowered and feel that they made an informed decision based upon research and trust in a product or company while being a double edged sword and also tempering expectations for the product. This means that going in expectations are already lower, so it's easier to be pleasantly surprised by a promising outcome that they also feel that they may have helped influence.

I guarantee you that Halo Infinite is getting WAY more exposure than it would have if this didn't happen. They already got me interested and I'm now hooked. Not only am I a fan of an underdog story (imagine saying that about Halo), but I also love the idea (yes idea) of games as a service. Then add in the fact it looks like they're taking the gameplay/look/feel more oldschool and back to its roots and it excites me to see more.

I have a feeling this is going to be the best Halo multiplayer we have seen in a long time. Just for reference I did not buy Halo 5 but I will likely purchase Infinite on launch day. I want to see where it ends up, and everyone loves to feel like they are part of the journey. It seems as though marketing is evolving into tugging on consumers heartstrings to make them feel more engaged and sympathize with their endeavors. Perhaps I could be wrong, but time will tell.

I'll make a bold prediction and say that this game will wind up selling much better than the previous few installments (Halo in general)... and if it does I would say it's safe to assume (we all know) that marketing is making drastic overhauls and cutting ties with traditional means (look at E3, gaming magazines and forums for quick reference). For what other reason do you think that they are keeping track of all the little things you do? Building profiles is all about the money... they aren't trying to see you sitting naked in a bean bag eating Cheetos. ;)

Note: Now I'm not saying this is what they are doing, I'm just saying I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see more of it as a standard moving forward. There can only be so many "coincidences" before even the most staunch of non believers start to wonder. That's all I'm saying.

@ProtossRushX said:

Its not conspiracy you had lems saying whats wrong with the picture they think its fine that craig looks like this.

Lems don't think it is conspiracy there defending how the game looks right now.

I posted this picture in another thread an Hardcore Lem Pedro said "whats wrong with it?"

YOU LOOK AT IT ITS A FRIGGIN TERRIBLE THATS WHATS WRONG WITH IT.

As a fellow Craig I don't like this whole thing... lol.

Feels a little too much like Karen. It's not his fault they shaved his majestic beard and smeared his pixels :P

The new upgrade instead of downgrade approach perhaps? Perhaps they feel they had nothing to lose or maybe you're on to something. I was questioning the legitimacy as well. I think it's obvious the game will launch in better condition than they showed.

If I'm wrong I'll gladly admit to it, but it would be puzzling to say the least.

I really, really doubt it.

The only thing that makes me consider this theory is that having such a high profile marketing department making such obvious mistakes, to the point where you can predict some of their mistakes before they making them, is suspicious. But then you realise that some of the people were involved since Xbox One launch and you just accept that it's probably just shear incompetence.

But yes, thay be doin a lttle shim sham just so they shock the world when the real deal gets released. :P

I am sure there is no bribe here,DF is doing again what it did for the xbox one in 2013 damage control.

It is clear the lighting is not the problem,as the game were in direct sun light several times and still look bad,those textures,assets and even character models were simply bad.

This is an xbox one game upres to 4k/60fps,i don't even want to imagine how much worse it most look on xbox one S and at what resolution it will run,halo 5 wasn't 1080p,it basically ran much lower most of the time.

If you don't get what is wrong with it then something is wrong with you.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Infinite might be the ugliest game of the next generation. It will be the Lococycle of next gen 🤣

@WitIsWisdom: same here. I don't actually know any more that anyone else. If it looks the same at launch as it does now, then I was clearly wrong. But if it magically looks better...

That's gotta be the worst plan ever in all of history if it was. 🤣 Xbox only has one new first party game to sell their latest console with, and the reception has been... less than kind.

what so funny is the trees aren't moving either. is there no wind on this planet? i never seen a level design like this sense 360 and ps3 era. heck even atrobots playroom looks better than this and that is a free game.

were are the particle affects? were is the next gen textures heck were are last gen textures?

also this is the first game in a long time were the cut scenes looks beyond the gameplay graphics. cutscenes are blending with gameplay now.

343 is using cgi for there cutscenes now instead of blending it with gameplay.