HALO: ODST absent from gamespot best of e3

This topic is locked from further discussion.

Avatar image for wv06
wv06

570

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1 wv06
Member since 2007 • 570 Posts

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

Avatar image for johnnyblazed88
johnnyblazed88

4240

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2 johnnyblazed88
Member since 2008 • 4240 Posts

i liked what ive seen so far

Avatar image for SparkyProtocol
SparkyProtocol

7680

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 76

User Lists: 0

#3 SparkyProtocol
Member since 2009 • 7680 Posts

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

wv06

Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

Avatar image for Patatopan
Patatopan

1890

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#4 Patatopan
Member since 2008 • 1890 Posts

I think it looks awesome, not one of the best halos, but probably will get a 9/9.5, at least I hope it does.

Avatar image for wv06
wv06

570

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5 wv06
Member since 2007 • 570 Posts

[QUOTE="wv06"]

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

SparkyProtocol

Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin with
Avatar image for krp008
krp008

4341

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#6 krp008
Member since 2006 • 4341 Posts

[QUOTE="wv06"]

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

SparkyProtocol

Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

I cant wait to see what the Reach MP Beta will look like! And also the massive MS hype advertising campaign! (the poster art looks so epic, it would look amazing on a Mountain Dew bottle!) :P

They really didnt show all that much at E3. They pretty much showed and explained more the days AFTER E3 over on bungie.net (and im very impressed with what they've did). This is much more than a simple expansion

Avatar image for krp008
krp008

4341

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#7 krp008
Member since 2006 • 4341 Posts

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

[QUOTE="wv06"]

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

wv06

Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin with

They want it to still look and feel like Halo 3. Hence the title "Halo 3: ODST"

I still think they should add a sprint feature. Afterall, you ARE a stealthy ODST that doent just run out in the open with superhuman abilities like the MC, one shot and you are nearly dead as an ODST. Sprinting from cover to cover, especially in the firefight mode would be so awesome in a Halo game

Avatar image for cainetao11
cainetao11

38065

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 77

User Lists: 1

#8 cainetao11
Member since 2006 • 38065 Posts
Well I don't know about best yet, but I liked what I saw. The player seemed to move slower as compared to being MC which makes sense. I liked the different vision modes. Look forward to playing it.
Avatar image for -Pred-Alien-
-Pred-Alien-

1733

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9 -Pred-Alien-
Member since 2009 • 1733 Posts
Gamespot also said Full Auto was the best game of E3 for XBOX 360:?
Avatar image for GodofBigMacs
GodofBigMacs

6440

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#10 GodofBigMacs
Member since 2008 • 6440 Posts
Sorry, they don't count 60 dollar expansion packs.
Avatar image for -Pred-Alien-
-Pred-Alien-

1733

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#11 -Pred-Alien-
Member since 2009 • 1733 Posts
Sorry, they don't count 60 dollar expansion packs. GodofBigMacs
I know, just look at how crap Warhead was:roll:
Avatar image for killab2oo5
killab2oo5

13621

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#12 killab2oo5
Member since 2005 • 13621 Posts
Dragonage:Origins isn't getting much buzz either...surprisingly.
Avatar image for PAL360
PAL360

30574

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 0

#13 PAL360
Member since 2007 • 30574 Posts

I liked what i saw. Especially that horde like new mode!

Avatar image for millwrought
millwrought

2032

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 4

User Lists: 0

#14 millwrought
Member since 2008 • 2032 Posts

Well mainly because it's a expansion pack and there was a ton of other stuff there, I think since Halo: Reach will probably look better and be different it'll have a better chance to stand out.

Avatar image for 789shadow
789shadow

20195

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#15 789shadow
Member since 2006 • 20195 Posts

Gamespot also said Full Auto was the best game of E3 for XBOX 360:?-Pred-Alien-

What? They gave that award to Splinter Cell........

Avatar image for Ninja-Hippo
Ninja-Hippo

23434

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#16 Ninja-Hippo
Member since 2008 • 23434 Posts
You were surprised the graphics weren't better than Halo 3 when the title of the game is Halo 3: ODST? Emphasis on the 3. :|
Avatar image for krp008
krp008

4341

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 0

#17 krp008
Member since 2006 • 4341 Posts

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Gamespot also said Full Auto was the best game of E3 for XBOX 360:?789shadow

What? They gave that award to Splinter Cell........

FA came out 2-3 years ago, so i think he means the E3 from then...

Avatar image for LiquidShnake
LiquidShnake

295

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#18 LiquidShnake
Member since 2009 • 295 Posts
Halo 3 has some of the worst graphics i've seen on 360 so if this looks the same i'll be hugely dissapointed.
Avatar image for Riverwolf007
Riverwolf007

26023

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#19 Riverwolf007
Member since 2005 • 26023 Posts

i nominate it for best 5 hour expansion pack that will be $60...lulz, l4d2 has company...

Avatar image for PAL360
PAL360

30574

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 31

User Lists: 0

#20 PAL360
Member since 2007 • 30574 Posts

Halo 3 has some of the worst graphics i've seen on 360 so if this looks the same i'll be hugely dissapointed.LiquidShnake

Halo3 has great graphics except the marine character models. We have all known from the beginning that ODST will use the same engine. No reason for disapointment

Avatar image for Walker34
Walker34

1471

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#21 Walker34
Member since 2005 • 1471 Posts

alan wake was also absent

Avatar image for LiquidShnake
LiquidShnake

295

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#22 LiquidShnake
Member since 2009 • 295 Posts

[QUOTE="LiquidShnake"]Halo 3 has some of the worst graphics i've seen on 360 so if this looks the same i'll be hugely dissapointed.PAL360

Halo3 has great graphics except the marine character models. We have all known from the beginning that ODST will use the same engine. No reason for disapointment

Are you sure?, I admit it has some beautiful colours and lighting but the resolution and textures are really poor in all honesty i don't think i've played a game with worse graphics this gen.
Avatar image for -Pred-Alien-
-Pred-Alien-

1733

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#23 -Pred-Alien-
Member since 2009 • 1733 Posts

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Gamespot also said Full Auto was the best game of E3 for XBOX 360:?krp008

What? They gave that award to Splinter Cell........

FA came out 2-3 years ago, so i think he means the E3 from then...

Yep E3 05:P
Avatar image for bobbetybob
bobbetybob

19370

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#24 bobbetybob
Member since 2005 • 19370 Posts
Looks like an expansion pack, no real change in graphics even though 2 years will have passed since Halo 3, exact same style of gameplay even though they had the chance to redo it a bit, seems like a great big missed opportunity. However I may get it for multiplayer, because they screwed new Halo 3 players over by not letting them play more than like 3 game modes unless they got DLC, this should be better.
Avatar image for -Pred-Alien-
-Pred-Alien-

1733

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#25 -Pred-Alien-
Member since 2009 • 1733 Posts
[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="LiquidShnake"]Halo 3 has some of the worst graphics i've seen on 360 so if this looks the same i'll be hugely dissapointed.LiquidShnake

Halo3 has great graphics except the marine character models. We have all known from the beginning that ODST will use the same engine. No reason for disapointment

Are you sure?, I admit it has some beautiful colours and lighting but the resolution and textures are really poor in all honesty i don't think i've played a game with worse graphics this gen.

At times Halo 3 can look fantastic, other times it look ugly as hell. So yeah, its either good or bad.
Avatar image for Leejjohno
Leejjohno

13897

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#26 Leejjohno
Member since 2005 • 13897 Posts

It represented a low point for me.

Seeing a 10 foot gorilla with regen shields and armour get sparked out by an odst rifle butt put me off the game tbh. It goes to show that bungie is incapable of moving outside of their safe zone.

Avatar image for bobbetybob
bobbetybob

19370

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

#27 bobbetybob
Member since 2005 • 19370 Posts
You were surprised the graphics weren't better than Halo 3 when the title of the game is Halo 3: ODST? Emphasis on the 3. :|Ninja-Hippo
...what has that got to do with anything? It's a completely different setting, different characters, they had to basically make a whole new game, why could they have not upped the graphics? They really should of, Halo 3 is a massive disappointment graphics wise, 1 and 2 looked amazing for last gen games, 3 is basically an HD version of 2, and it has loads of jaggies as well.
Avatar image for Leejjohno
Leejjohno

13897

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#28 Leejjohno
Member since 2005 • 13897 Posts

[QUOTE="LiquidShnake"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Halo3 has great graphics except the marine character models. We have all known from the beginning that ODST will use the same engine. No reason for disapointment

-Pred-Alien-

Are you sure?, I admit it has some beautiful colours and lighting but the resolution and textures are really poor in all honesty i don't think i've played a game with worse graphics this gen.

At times Halo 3 can look fantastic, other times it look ugly as hell. So yeah, its either good or bad.

At the same time it ALWAYS has jaggies that can be very distracting at times.

Avatar image for ReaperV7
ReaperV7

6756

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#29 ReaperV7
Member since 2008 • 6756 Posts
because they didnt show enough of the low light vision mode.
Avatar image for Leejjohno
Leejjohno

13897

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

#30 Leejjohno
Member since 2005 • 13897 Posts

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]You were surprised the graphics weren't better than Halo 3 when the title of the game is Halo 3: ODST? Emphasis on the 3. :|bobbetybob
...what has that got to do with anything? It's a completely different setting, different characters, they had to basically make a whole new game, why could they have not upped the graphics? They really should of, Halo 3 is a massive disappointment graphics wise, 1 and 2 looked amazing for last gen games, 3 is basically an HD version of 2, and it has loads of jaggies as well.

Not even HD considering the resolution of H3.

Avatar image for SpruceCaboose
SpruceCaboose

24589

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 9

User Lists: 0

#31 SpruceCaboose
Member since 2005 • 24589 Posts

I think it looks awesome, not one of the best halos, but probably will get a 9/9.5, at least I hope it does.

Patatopan
I tend to agree with this one.
Avatar image for -Pred-Alien-
-Pred-Alien-

1733

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#32 -Pred-Alien-
Member since 2009 • 1733 Posts

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"][QUOTE="LiquidShnake"] Are you sure?, I admit it has some beautiful colours and lighting but the resolution and textures are really poor in all honesty i don't think i've played a game with worse graphics this gen.Leejjohno

At times Halo 3 can look fantastic, other times it look ugly as hell. So yeah, its either good or bad.

At the same time it ALWAYS has jaggies that can be very distracting at times.

I played the game first on my 17" PC screen at 1280x1024 and the game was so jaggy i preferred playing on my 15" SDTV. Once i went 1080p widescreen on 46" screen, the jaggies were nowhere near as noticable.
Avatar image for SNKcell
SNKcell

28

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33 SNKcell
Member since 2009 • 28 Posts

I have no problem withthat

that game is in like 20th place from my point of view

Avatar image for Deiuos
Deiuos

1402

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#34 Deiuos
Member since 2005 • 1402 Posts

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

[QUOTE="wv06"]

Wasnt even nominated for anything that i saw? Not in best shooter or Best 360 game?

Did this game show poorly at e3? I was surprised the graphics didnt look much better then HALO3 especially after Halo Wars incredible CG cut scenes, but I still expect this to score a 9/9.5 here...

are you guys disapointed with what you saw of Halo: ODST or do you think it will be the best Halo yet?

wv06

Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin with

It still is an expansion. Bungie just goes above and beyond your typical "expansion." It's using the Halo 3 engine, and they're giving us a great deal.

Also, the game looks amazing. There were simply better games this year which is why it's not going to win any best of E3 awards, but Halo: Reach may definitely be a different story for next year.

Halo: Reach will be the next main game (I'm excluding ODST) from Bungie on the 360, and you can expect Bungie to push the console to its limits, just as they did with Halo 2, the second main game from Bungie on the original Xbox.

Avatar image for Brownesque
Brownesque

5660

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#35 Brownesque
Member since 2005 • 5660 Posts
This game is ridiculous. The graphics look hideous, many of the assets appear to be reused and at the very least the engine is a carryover with (seemingly) no or very few tweaks. I'm not impressed by the gameplay mechanics, the dialogue looks juvenile and shallow, the plot is not interesting, the character designs and art are hum-drum as usual, and the content for dollar ratio is an industry embarrassment. They should cancel this game or cut the price in half. That's where I stand on the matter.
Avatar image for PurpleHaze89
PurpleHaze89

807

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36 PurpleHaze89
Member since 2008 • 807 Posts

I think it looked really good, can't wait for it.

Avatar image for jwsoul
jwsoul

5472

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 0

#37 jwsoul
Member since 2005 • 5472 Posts

So far i dislike what i have seen! But i have liked what i have heard regarding the game! So lets see how it gose!

Avatar image for Brownesque
Brownesque

5660

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#38 Brownesque
Member since 2005 • 5660 Posts

[QUOTE="wv06"][QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] Why would the graphics be better when the game is an expansion? Wait for Halo Reach. I do think ODST deserved some sort of award.

Deiuos

It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin with

It still is an expansion. Bungie just goes above and beyond your typical "expansion." It's using the Halo 3 engine, and they're giving us a great deal.

Then it is without question the most overpriced expansion in the history of videogames. I think you forgot where the lemming line is on the issue. You're supposed to say it's a full game. Then you're supposed to start goostepping. You should probably mention that it has "30 dollars worth of maps" too. You'd be more transparent if you said these things, but, just letting you know you're falling very short of the lemming battle line here, lone warrior. I'd say you're contradicting the hell out of your compatriots.

Avatar image for PurpleHaze89
PurpleHaze89

807

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#39 PurpleHaze89
Member since 2008 • 807 Posts

[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="wv06"] It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin withBrownesque

It still is an expansion. Bungie just goes above and beyond your typical "expansion." It's using the Halo 3 engine, and they're giving us a great deal.

Then it is without question the most overpriced expansion in the history of videogames. I think you forgot where the lemming line is on the issue. You're supposed to say it's a full game. Then you're supposed to start goostepping. You should probably mention that it has "30 dollars worth of maps" too. You'd be more transparent if you said these things, but, just letting you know you're falling very short of the lemming battle line here, lone warrior. I'd say you're contradicting the hell out of your compatriots.

We get it, you don't like the Game.
Avatar image for Deiuos
Deiuos

1402

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#40 Deiuos
Member since 2005 • 1402 Posts

[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="wv06"] It was going to be a expansion, but now that they have made it a full game with a full price tag i think that warrants graphical improvements from a 2 year old game that underachieved in graphics compared to other 360 games to begin withBrownesque

It still is an expansion. Bungie just goes above and beyond your typical "expansion." It's using the Halo 3 engine, and they're giving us a great deal.

Then it is without question the most overpriced expansion in the history of videogames. I think you forgot where the lemming line is on the issue. You're supposed to say it's a full game. Then you're supposed to start goostepping. You should probably mention that it has "30 dollars worth of maps" too. You'd be more transparent if you said these things, but, just letting you know you're falling very short of the lemming battle line here, lone warrior. I'd say you're contradicting the hell out of your compatriots.

... What? I didn't know I was a lemming. Guess I'll be selling my PS3. I'm a Halo fan. Bungie has stated, even though the game is an expansion, that the game wont be that much shorter than Halo 3 itself. Plus, you're getting everything Halo 3 offers, including new maps. Plus, you're getting a new cooperative mode that'll be hours of value. Also, a free invitation to Reach multiplayer? I'd pay the full price of a game just for that invitation. 60 dollars doesn't sound bad at all. Perhaps it's overpriced to you, but, what can you do?
Avatar image for Brownesque
Brownesque

5660

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41 Brownesque
Member since 2005 • 5660 Posts
[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="Deiuos"] It still is an expansion. Bungie just goes above and beyond your typical "expansion." It's using the Halo 3 engine, and they're giving us a great deal.Deiuos

Then it is without question the most overpriced expansion in the history of videogames. I think you forgot where the lemming line is on the issue. You're supposed to say it's a full game. Then you're supposed to start goostepping. You should probably mention that it has "30 dollars worth of maps" too. You'd be more transparent if you said these things, but, just letting you know you're falling very short of the lemming battle line here, lone warrior. I'd say you're contradicting the hell out of your compatriots.

... What? I didn't know I was a lemming. Guess I'll be selling my PS3. I'm a Halo fan. Bungie has stated, even though the game is an expansion, that the game wont be that much shorter than Halo 3 itself. Plus, you're getting everything Halo 3 offers, including new maps. Plus, you're getting a new cooperative mode that'll be hours of value. Also, a free invitation to Reach multiplayer? I'd pay the full price of a game just for that invitation. 60 dollars doesn't sound bad at all. Perhaps it's overpriced to you, but, what can you do?

Be loud and vocal and complain or wait for a price drop. Or you could go preorder the $100 collector's edition. Whichever suits you, I guess.
Avatar image for SgtWhiskeyjack
SgtWhiskeyjack

16364

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 0

#42 SgtWhiskeyjack
Member since 2004 • 16364 Posts

Sorry, they don't count 60 dollar expansion packs. GodofBigMacs

What expansion pack are you talking about? You can't mean ODST, you don't play any additional missions with Master Chief at all, or do you count all games that end in 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ec

Avatar image for Deiuos
Deiuos

1402

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#43 Deiuos
Member since 2005 • 1402 Posts

[QUOTE="GodofBigMacs"]Sorry, they don't count 60 dollar expansion packs. SgtWhiskeyjack

What expansion pack are you talking about? You can't mean ODST, you don't play any additional missions with Master Chief at all, or do you count all games that end in 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ec

ODST is an expansion to Halo 3. Otherwise it wouldn't be called Halo 3: ODST.

Avatar image for OreoMilkshake
OreoMilkshake

12833

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 13

User Lists: 0

#44 OreoMilkshake
Member since 2009 • 12833 Posts
Maybe it gave them ODSTD's?