Halo: Reach is not a "Rehash Sequel"

You know, we always talk about wanting sequels of games to change significantly. We beg that sequels not be a refined version of old gameplay, rather you know, different.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Bungie is taking a slight risk here that I say will obviously benefit them.

As a Halo fan, I am both immensely impressed yet shocked. The game is doing so many things that I just wouldn't expect. You can so see beard guy's Shadowrun design influence in this, but in a good way. And I understand you guys mights try to break it down. Running, jetpacks, rolling, etc. So what? However, if you're familiar with the series, or just have a good rational of game design, Reach is going to play quite differently.

Furthermore, while this is a bit premature seeing as how we can only see what they are, not play in them yet- the environments do look nicely designed.

Frankly, this is set to top Halo 1. And many said that about Halo 2, Halo 3, yes I understand, and frankly they sort of did in some regards-- though never wholely. However, as a Halo fan or 360 owners, I feel like this is the definitive xbox title.

And frankly, stop talking about graphics. They're good and look great in first person. That being said they're ideal halo graphics-- clean, good looking, and allowing for big open environments. Is it graphics king? I'd personally say no, but it looks very good and more than that-- we'll be playing it for years. Honestly, I think people overexaggerate this feature. And I truly feel weird going on about this seeing as how they do look good. However....it's not important.

Anyway, my main point: This is Halo: Reach. It is not simply a refinements of Halo 3. While Halo never made like Call of Duty with changes between iterations, they admittedly never did anything huge. Halo 3 is more of a highly refined version of Halo 1. Many differences, different play.In no way rehashes, but by contrast Halo Reach is quite a large change.

And you know what? They probably have the highest chance ofscrewing up Halo: Reach, much more than Halo2/3. Itappears they are succeeding.

My hype: Better than Halo 1 (in their respective days) + better than best of Halo 2/3 multiplayer.

Mama mia.

In before hell arises

I think we need another Reach sticky

The single player (good different) and multiplayer(bad same) don't look like the same game. The beta is made for hype.

it will be good, but nothing will ever top the almight halo 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LwHzXL_Tww

I think we need another Reach sticky

PAL360

Just like Halo2 was Halo1.5 and Halo3 was Halo 2.5? come on now.

Actually, Halo Reach is Halo 0 (excluding the actual fangame), in that it's before Halo 1. So ....

good point.

In graphics it sure looks like it. Gameplay im sure will be great. shabab12

[QUOTE="shabab12"]In graphics it sure looks like it. Gameplay im sure will be great. ImageChef

Your right it's rehash prequel :P

Halo Reach will be the best Halo prequel to date and very impressive since it's only a game and yet....

It only does everything. :P

Ummm, no rehash at all.

In graphics it sure looks like it. Gameplay im sure will be great. shabab12

[QUOTE="shabab12"]In graphics it sure looks like it. Gameplay im sure will be great. SilentlyMad

None of us have even played the game yet. Can we at least do that before we start deciding what it is or isn't?

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"][QUOTE="shabab12"]In graphics it sure looks like it. Gameplay im sure will be great. shabab12

You know, we always talk about wanting sequels of games to change significantly. We beg that sequels not be a refined version of old gameplay, rather you know, different.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Bungie is taking a slight risk here that I say will obviously benefit them.

As a Halo fan, I am both immensely impressed yet shocked. The game is doing so many things that I just wouldn't expect. You can so see beard guy's Shadowrun design influence in this, but in a good way. And I understand you guys mights try to break it down. Running, jetpacks, rolling, etc. So what? However, if you're familiar with the series, or just have a good rational of game design, Reach is going to play quite differently.

Furthermore, while this is a bit premature seeing as how we can only see what they are, not play in them yet- the environments do look nicely designed.

Frankly, this is set to top Halo 1. And many said that about Halo 2, Halo 3, yes I understand, and frankly they sort of did in some regards-- though never wholely. However, as a Halo fan or 360 owners, I feel like this is the definitive xbox title.

And frankly, stop talking about graphics. They're good and look great in first person. That being said they're ideal halo graphics-- clean, good looking, and allowing for big open environments. Is it graphics king? I'd personally say no, but it looks very good and more than that-- we'll be playing it for years. Honestly, I think people overexaggerate this feature. And I truly feel weird going on about this seeing as how they do look good. However....it's not important.

Anyway, my main point: This is Halo: Reach. It is not simply a refinements of Halo 3. While Halo never made like Call of Duty with changes between iterations, they admittedly never did anything huge. Halo 3 is more of a highly refined version of Halo 1. Many differences, different play.In no way rehashes, but by contrast Halo Reach is quite a large change.

And you know what? They probably have the highest chance ofscrewing up Halo: Reach, much more than Halo2/3. Itappears they are succeeding.

My hype: Better than Halo 1 (in their respective days) + better than best of Halo 2/3 multiplayer.

ImageChef

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment
* Forge mode
* Theatre mode

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

It's not a rehash sequel it's a rehash prequel, jk. All I know I haven't played a Halo game in awhile and Halo Reach got me interested again. I'm looking forward to it.

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

AdobeArtist

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

shadow_hosi

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

He meant evovle the series, not the genre, as in things that were not in previous Halo games.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

SpiritOfFire117

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

He meant evovle the series, not the genre, as in things that were not in previous Halo games.

^^ somebody's awake in cIass :)

maybe its just me but halo gets the most hate here. mostly coming from most of ps3 owners and pc owners.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

shadow_hosi

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

shadow_hosi

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

You completely missed the point of his post :| He never said Halo evolves the genre, just as a series its always added new wrinkles to never be a full on rehash. How the hell did you miss that?

jg4xchamp

I love all you guys for backing my post against shadow_hosi :)

and by that... I ahhh... meant it strictly in the most platonic manner... yeahhhh :) :oops: :P

maybe its just me but halo gets the most hate here. mostly coming from most of ps3 owners and pc owners.

TheShadowLord07

Many games get hate. But with Halo, it's a frakkin RELIGION. I think the "acolytes" are afraid if they don't put appearance of being the most committed to The Crusade, they perish in what ever form of hell they have :lol::lol::lol:

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]You completely missed the point of his post :| He never said Halo evolves the genre, just as a series its always added new wrinkles to never be a full on rehash. How the hell did you miss that?

110million

This Halo only does everything.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

NONE of the sequels were ever rehashes.

Halo 2 from the first added:
* dual weilding Actually alot of games had dual wielding, like goldeneye an perfect ark
* vehicle jacking
* complete online multiplayer with every known format (slayer, team, CTF, etc..)
* user customized game modes just like UT2K4 an many other games

Halo 3 then added:
* 4 player campaign co-op
* Equipment CS anyone?
* Forge mode pc games had that long befor it was every an idea of bungies
* Theatre mode replays, nothing special about

Halo ODST gave us Firefight mode

Bungie has always continued to evolve the series, some in small steps that still greatly impacted how we played the game, and others that were just complete new features that gave us extra options of what to do with the game. And Reach will be no exception to this practice of theirs. They know what they're doing.

shadow_hosi

they arent evolving anythign, the are just throwing more thigns in there other devs came up with

ouch, you see.

those things were thrown in to make the game different. they never made claims they were first to do this and that. it would bea rehash if they made no attempts to enhance the experience, in which graphic detail might be the only thing arguable here.

too bad, new campaign, new characters, new graphics.

"Theatre mode replays, nothing special about"

luls @ grasping for straws. Here, let me help. Monster Truck Madness 2 for Windows 95 had this feature. cheers.

This Halo only does everything.

HavocV3

:lol::lol::lol:

NICELY done, good sir, very nicely done :D

*love your sig too :)