Halo Reach is Sub-HD, catastrophic fail

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#1 YankeesNYC4life
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did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh, im not a big killzone fan but this should end all "halo reach graphics king" topics, remarks, whatever.

720p is 1280x720... The Halo Reach was 1152x720, technically lower than 720p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

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#2 ActicEdge
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My world has been destroyed. How could the game I looked so forward to be so much fail? :|

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Oh thank God you found that, now no one will have to waste their hard earned cash. :D
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did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

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And the game will still be better than anything on the ps3... and one of the highest rated games of the year. And without a doubt a great game. I forgot I'm not allowed to have fun with a game unless there are enough pixels on screen.
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First, there is a sticky... Second, that is alpha gameplay. Third, 1152x720=720p=HD.....
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#6 TheShadowLord07
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so was mgs4;)

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#7 Grawse
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Better cancel my pre-order :(

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Reach hype destroyed.
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#9 lundy86_4
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Oh noez... Alpha footage was sub-720p? My world = blown!

Even if it does end up sub-hd, that's not going to be all that noticeable... At all.

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#10 JonSnow777
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Demons Souls is 720p, as are most ps3 games, and it's at least in the top 5 games I've played this gen. So please tell me how this thread's topic is in any way relevant to whether or not the game is going to be good.

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#11 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="YankeesNYC4life"]

did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

I like how you omitted the fact that it's the Alpha build that's being analyzed. Bravo. :roll:
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#12 KGB32
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Oh noez... Alpha footage was sub-720p? My world = blown!

Even if it does end up sub-hd, that's not going to be all that noticeable... At all.

lundy86_4
you're right, it won't be noticable, because almost every other major title on a console has the same fault....sub-HD resolution.
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#13 ActicEdge
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Oh noez... Alpha footage was sub-720p? My world = blown!

Even if it does end up sub-hd, that's not going to be all that noticeable... At all.

lundy86_4

To late, was so pissed I smashed my friends 360 and burned down the local games store.

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I love articles from half a year ago.
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#15 tommyas
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[QUOTE="YankeesNYC4life"]

did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

No offense but anyone who makes big deal out of this are fanboys. People made big deal when AW was sub HD. People made big deal when RDR on ps3 was sub HD. People made big deal when MGS4 was sub Hd. Does this matter outside SW? Not at all.
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#16 lundy86_4
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To late, was so pissed I smashed my friends 360 and burned down the local games store.

ActicEdge

Dammit, now you've done it Actic... They're coming for you...

Whatcha gonna do!?

you're right, it won't be noticable, because almost every other major title on a console has the same fault....sub-HD resolution. KGB32

Yeah, there have been quite a few sub-HD titles... People need to get over it.

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#17 thepoop7
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Actually..... 720P is HD..... what do you think you watch on TV more than 90% of the time? 1080P (not 1280 or whatever you said) is considered "Full HD", but nonetheless, 720p is still HD. PS. AVS or someone did a test on the Halo Reach beta and came to the conclusion that Reach ran at a full 720p resolution, unlike a lot of other games that run at much lower resolution and converted up to 720p ( several other games on both systems.)
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#18 -Red-Cell-
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did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

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#19 lundy86_4
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Actually..... 720P is HD..... what do you think you watch on TV more than 90% of the time? 1080P (not 1280 or whatever you said) is considered "Full HD", but nonetheless, 720p is still HD. thepoop7

720p is 1280x720... The Halo Reach Alpha was 1152x720. Not a big difference at all, but technically lower than 720p.

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Bungie is a bunch of overrated hacks. Don't they know the most important aspect of a video game is what resolution it runs at? God console gaming is such fail, always delivering with inferior resolutions. God damn trash.
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#21 Arbiterisl33t69
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720P is HD.. And that's from February freaking 15, and it's ALPHA gameplay.. Wow, fanboys have officially gone to new lows... the impossible has been done.
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#22 thepoop7
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[QUOTE="thepoop7"]Actually..... 720P is HD..... what do you think you watch on TV more than 90% of the time? 1080P (not 1280 or whatever you said) is considered "Full HD", but nonetheless, 720p is still HD. lundy86_4

720p is 1280x720... The Halo Reach Alpha was 1152x720. Not a big difference at all, but technically lower than 720p.

Didn't catch that, thanks for clearing that up.
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#23 noob-saibot2010
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so what?reach looks like what they showed in E3 and it looks that way.so many gameplay vids exist out there and they all show that the game runs smooth.other things I don't care.

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#24 lundy86_4
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Didn't catch that, thanks for clearing that up.thepoop7

Soryy, wasn't sure if you just didn't know, or you just missed it. I wasn't out to correct you or anything :P

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Bungie is a bunch of overrated hacks. Don't they know the most important aspect of a video game is what resolution it runs at? God console gaming is such fail, always delivering with inferior resolutions. God damn trash. jg4xchamp

I thought the most important aspect of a video game was the foliage...or maybe high res bricks. I can't decide.

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#26 tutt3r
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I will still enjoy the game TC so wooohoooo for meee

and lol name one good console game that runs 1080p 60 fps

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#27 bigboss5ak
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Id say thats more of a slap to the face to killzone. I mean a sub HD game still out scores, out hypes and out sales the ps3s best graphical game....yea
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#28 lundy86_4
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I will still enjoy the game TC so wooohoooo for meee

and lol name one good console game that runs 1080p 60 fps

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Hey it scored 9.0 at GS, but I haven't played it :P

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Id say thats more of a slap to the face to killzone. I mean a sub HD game still out scores, out hypes and out sales the ps3s best graphical game....yeabigboss5ak
it probably wont outscore uncharted 2
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#30 badtaker
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In other words MGS4 was a failure :P
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#31 topgunmv
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Guess that makes the modded version of doom better than both.

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#32 LegatoSkyheart
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Didn't feel like a Catastrophic Fail when I played the Beta.

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#33 Tigerrus
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I will still enjoy the game TC so wooohoooo for meee

and lol name one good console game that runs 1080p 60 fps

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Halo Reach's alphabuild ran @ 1152x720 which is slightly less than 1280x720 which =720p the lowest HD resolution on a TV. Though it is sad that people will claim it is sub HD for missing somewhat over 720 pixles. Though that means that it will be slightly stretched to fit a 16:9 tv which will mean that the aspect ratio will be slightly off. Though in the end does all of this matter if the game is fun? (I guess it will on system wars)
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did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh, im not a big killzone fan but this should end all "halo reach graphics king" topics, remarks, whatever.

720p is 1280x720... The Halo Reach was 1152x720, technically lower than 720p.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

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Even if the build they rated was even close to the final build plenty of games these days are released in sub HD resolutions, in fact the Call of Duty series which is often praised for it's graphics runs in sub HD and no one really complains about that. Also I would love to see how much work Bungie could do in the graphics department if they were given the same amount of time Sony gave the developers of Killzone 2 as well as a similar budget. Considering 2007 we got Halo 3, 2009 we got Halo: ODST, and just a year later we are getting Halo: Reach running on an entirely new engine and just about everything has been completely overhauled, just imagine what they could do given 5 years+ to work on a Halo game. No sense playing the what if game though lol. Anyways old article is old. Fail thread is fail.
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Now maybe all those fanboys will finally be quiet. But we all know that can never happen
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#36 jhcho2
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First, there is a sticky... Second, that is alpha gameplay. Third, 1152x720=720p=HD.....wolverine4262

Not quite right. The official definition of HD is achieving the 1 megapixel count. That's why most HD TVs are 1366x768 = 1,049,088 pixels, hence it's HD. A 'Full HD' TV achieves the 2 megapixel count, namely 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels.

1280x720 = 921,600 pixels, 'sub-1 megapixel', hence not HD.

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I've yet to see any sub HD game be worse because of it. The only sub HD games that I've played that looked sub HD was the COD games this gen, all other ones seemed to have some pretty good upscaling tricks to lessen the effect, like MGS IV, or RDR. Alan Wake looked like it was probably a good looking game as well.

I highly doubt this will effect Reach's overall look, but of course it will be highlighted here due to people always looking for ownage

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#38 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Um it still looks good?

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#39 mitu123
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First, there is a sticky... Second, that is alpha gameplay. Third, 1152x720=720p=HD.....wolverine4262
1280 not 1152.

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I've yet to see any sub HD game be worse because of it. The only sub HD games that I've played that looked sub HD was the COD games this gen, all other ones seemed to have some pretty good upscaling tricks to lessen the effect, like MGS IV, or RDR. Alan Wake looked like it was probably a good looking game as well.

I highly doubt this will effect Reach's overall look, but of course it will be highlighted here due to people always looking for ownage

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RDR is sub-hd??
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#41 lundy86_4
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RDR is sub-hd??Arbiterisl33t69

I believe it is on the PS3.

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#42 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

I've yet to see any sub HD game be worse because of it. The only sub HD games that I've played that looked sub HD was the COD games this gen, all other ones seemed to have some pretty good upscaling tricks to lessen the effect, like MGS IV, or RDR. Alan Wake looked like it was probably a good looking game as well.

I highly doubt this will effect Reach's overall look, but of course it will be highlighted here due to people always looking for ownage

Arbiterisl33t69

RDR is sub-hd??

Only on ps3 I think.

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Bungie is a bunch of overrated hacks. Don't they know the most important aspect of a video game is what resolution it runs at? God console gaming is such fail, always delivering with inferior resolutions. God damn trash. jg4xchamp
QFT my friend QFT.
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Since when is 720P sub-HD, jealous cows.
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#45 lundy86_4
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Since when is 720P sub-HD, jealous cows.deleterguy

1152x720 isn't 720p.

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#46 tubbyc
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[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

I will still enjoy the game TC so wooohoooo for meee

and lol name one good console game that runs 1080p 60 fps

lundy86_4

MLB: The Show 09 and mabe 10... Not sure.

Hey it scored 9.0 at GS, but I haven't played it :P

Plus Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. It's nice but 720p or close to it and a solid 30FPS is enough to do the job.

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#47 smartcriminal
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[QUOTE="YankeesNYC4life"]

did some research and found out halo reach runs at 1152x720, which is not 1280 or so required to be considered HD. catastrophic fail, all discussion about halo reach vs killzone 2 or 3 in the graphics department is over. it runs at 30 and sometimes 20 frames per second. sigh

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-halo-reach-alpha-analysis-blog-entry

dotWithShoes
And the game will still be better than anything on the ps3... and one of the highest rated games of the year. And without a doubt a great game. I forgot I'm not allowed to have fun with a game unless there are enough pixels on screen.

i doubt that. The Halo series is way overrated. And yes look at my sig i have played it
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#48 lundy86_4
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Plus Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2. It's nice but 720p or close to it and a solid 30FPS is enough to do the job.

tubbyc

Yeah, i'm really only a stickler for 60fps in my PC games. I enjoy console games fine at 30fps.

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#49 nZiFFLe
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Meh, still looks superb to me.

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#50 Pug-Nasty
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[QUOTE="Arbiterisl33t69"]RDR is sub-hd??lundy86_4

I believe it is on the PS3.

Yeah, at least I think it is. But you wouldn't know it looking at it. That's why I don't put too much thought into the resolution of a game, as MGS IV showed me a long time ago that resolution doesn't = graphics. The fact of the matter is you can have a 1080p game that looks like poop, and a 480p game that looks awesome.

My two cents anyway.