Halo Wars will only sell because of its name.

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#1 Taalon
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There's so much hate against RTS games, right up until the day Halo Wars is announced. Now, it's being hyped up like a tornado. World Of Warcaft is lame - until the day World Of Halo is announced. If this happens (which, somehow, is possible) it'll sell like hotcakes.


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Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

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World of Warcraft is lame because the mainstream relates fantasy to nerds. Sci-fi isnt as hardcore nerdy as fantasy elements are, unless you're talking Star Trek or Peter Jacksons socially acceptable Lord of the Rings ( which is hated by most of LOTR book readers).

Mages withcolorful robesor MJOLNIR Mark VI Battlesuits? If there was a World of Halo I'm sure it would suck despite my love for Halo. Halo Wars will get my money because it further expands on the universe. I've always wanted to hear an alternative AI to Cortana in the Halo universe instead of just reading about them in the books.
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#4 Taalon
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Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

Blue-Sky


From the videos so far, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of past RTS games. It's very simple, very basic. But regardless, I and many other people feel it will sell simply because it's Halo.
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

Taalon



From the videos so far, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of past RTS games. It's very simple, very basic. But regardless, I and many other people feel it will sell simply because it's Halo.

Thats because 360 doesn't have a mouse. Just no way you can manage hordes of unitswithout one i.e. Supreme Commander. Ensemble would have to model the gameplay around that. but thats why I mentioned they have to make it "work"

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There's so much hate against RTS games, right up until the day Halo Wars is announced. Now, it's being hyped up like a tornado. World Of Warcaft is lame - until the day World Of Halo is announced. If this happens (which, somehow, is possible) it'll sell like hotcakes.


Taalon

Yes lets ALL pass judgement on a game that is in development...

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#7 Taalon
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[QUOTE="Taalon"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

Blue-Sky



From the videos so far, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of past RTS games. It's very simple, very basic. But regardless, I and many other people feel it will sell simply because it's Halo.

Thats because 360 doesn't have a mouse. Just no way you can manage hordes of unitswithout one i.e. Supreme Commander. Ensemble would have to model the gameplay around that. but thats why I mentioned they have to make it "work"

[QUOTE="Taalon"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

Blue-Sky



From the videos so far, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of past RTS games. It's very simple, very basic. But regardless, I and many other people feel it will sell simply because it's Halo.

Thats because 360 doesn't have a mouse. Just no way you can manage hordes of unitswithout one i.e. Supreme Commander. Ensemble would have to model the gameplay around that. but thats why I mentioned they have to make it "work"



No, I don't expect it to be like a PC RTS. but so far it looks like this:

Select units - Select target - Attack

And there's not much more to it. I hope they build up on the gameplay, make it epic. Supreme Commander worked because it was more of a cinematic experience rather than a game.
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#8 Makari
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Mages with colorful robes or MJOLNIR Mark VI Battlesuits?Gigas_Yuu
Reading that sentence in or out of context, I think both are equally nerdy, possibly even with Halo taking the nerd crown there. Take it just as 'yeah, I play Halo and shoot my friends online' is something everybody does. Calling it a Mark VI anything transports you into robe-and-wizard-hat-land.
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I'm actually hoping it will be a good game, so people can have an RTS to enjoy on their 360s, which can't be found on any other platform.
I don't care if it will sell just because it's halo, it may turn out to be an enjoyable game.
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it looks a lot like total annihilation to me. and yes the name will help it but i'm sure it'll be fun
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#11 dlind70
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If anything, I think it'll be a qualty game regardless of its title because the devs don't have to catter the game for PC as well. Even if it is good, it'll have to compete with other strategy games coming next year for the 360: SupCom, EndWar, UaW: Earth Assault, Civilization Revolution, Kane's Wrath, World in Conflict, plus Halo Wars.

Yea...you heard that right. All these strategy titles coming next year for the console!

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#12 crispytheone88
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I have hope for this game

Microdoft is pretty good at one thing, Halo has been hyped since day 1 on the original xbox, and no matter what anyone says, it has always done well in sales, and scoring from respected sites, in other words, it has always met the hype, I would hope this would be no diffrent, we will see, but Microsoft has a great history with the Halo Frnachise, i8 doubt they would jepodise that

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i guess youre right since all the enseble fans and the halo fans will buy it because of the name HALO made by ENSEMBLE Studio.
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I don't think Halo boys will buy, at least not a good deal of them, RTS don't go well with them. It probably will sell to those interested in the Halo lore, but I think it only extends to a certian point when it comes down to the general individual.

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Hardly, Ensemble is one of the best RTS developers out there (I've heard those Age of Empires and Age of Mythology games are pretty good) and games like C&C3 and BFME2 have shown that RTS's can work on consoles. Now considering those two games were merely PC titles shoehorned in to work with a gamepad, I am confident that Ensemble can make an even better RTS (both C&C3 and BFME2 were AA titles mind you) considering Halo Wars is built from the ground up for the 360. I'm not expecting a Starcraft or Company of Heroes quality, but I'm sure Halo Wars will be a great game.
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Your thread is unoriginal and thoughtless, I can sum up exactly what you did before you hit the submit button and that was veiw the other, larger multiple "Halo Wars" threads on the front page. I call that, The System Wars Copy/Paste syndrome.

What makes you qualified to compare this game to PC RTS' ESPECIALLY since it's 6 months away. No were on your XBL profile do I see CnC3, BFME or BattleStations so Im curious as to were your pulling criticism when you haven't had past experience with similar games or are you just being fanboyish, going with the gist of things. I think this is a clas-sic case of invalid opinion.

PS. You gave Assassins Creed, Ratchet and Clank a prime 10? Talk about diminished credibility.
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cant agree more with the topic, im thinking of a bet saying that halo wars will get AAA, and I havent watched a single gameplay video or seen a single screenshot of it, i only know its a rts with HALO in its name
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cant agree more with the topic, im thinking of a bet saying that halo wars will get AAA, and I havent watched a single gameplay video or seen a single screenshot of it, i only know its a rts with HALO in its nameKoba123

Everything you just said is exactly why that opinion is stupid.

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World of Warcraft is lame because the mainstream relates fantasy to nerds. Sci-fi isnt as hardcore nerdy as fantasy elements are, unless you're talking Star Trek or Peter Jacksons socially acceptable Lord of the Rings ( which is hated by most of LOTR book readers).

Mages withcolorful robesor MJOLNIR Mark VI Battlesuits? If there was a World of Halo I'm sure it would suck despite my love for Halo. Halo Wars will get my money because it further expands on the universe. I've always wanted to hear an alternative AI to Cortana in the Halo universe instead of just reading about them in the books.Gigas_Yuu

Uh-huh. So War of the Worlds was set in modern day America instead of 1990's England. What a crap film...

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Hardly, Ensemble is one of the best RTS developers out there (I've heard those Age of Empires and Age of Mythology games are pretty good) and games like C&C3 and BFME2 have shown that RTS's can work on consoles. Now considering those two games were merely PC titles shoehorned in to work with a gamepad, I am confident that Ensemble can make an even better RTS (both C&C3 and BFME2 were AA titles mind you) considering Halo Wars is built from the ground up for the 360. I'm not expecting a Starcraft or Company of Heroes quality, but I'm sure Halo Wars will be a great game.PBSnipes

wait wait, you've heard? You mean you actually didn't play them?

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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]Hardly, Ensemble is one of the best RTS developers out there (I've heard those Age of Empires and Age of Mythology games are pretty good) and games like C&C3 and BFME2 have shown that RTS's can work on consoles. Now considering those two games were merely PC titles shoehorned in to work with a gamepad, I am confident that Ensemble can make an even better RTS (both C&C3 and BFME2 were AA titles mind you) considering Halo Wars is built from the ground up for the 360. I'm not expecting a Starcraft or Company of Heroes quality, but I'm sure Halo Wars will be a great game._Pedro_

wait wait, you've heard? You mean you actually didn't play them?

You might wanna get your sarcasm detector checked ;).
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from what has been shown of the game.... it looks terribly boring.
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[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]Hardly, Ensemble is one of the best RTS developers out there (I've heard those Age of Empires and Age of Mythology games are pretty good) and games like C&C3 and BFME2 have shown that RTS's can work on consoles. Now considering those two games were merely PC titles shoehorned in to work with a gamepad, I am confident that Ensemble can make an even better RTS (both C&C3 and BFME2 were AA titles mind you) considering Halo Wars is built from the ground up for the 360. I'm not expecting a Starcraft or Company of Heroes quality, but I'm sure Halo Wars will be a great game.PBSnipes

wait wait, you've heard? You mean you actually didn't play them?

You might wanna get your sarcasm detector checked ;).

Ooooh ok, :P

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Ensemble are great devs, they can deliver.
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There's so much hate against RTS games, right up until the day Halo Wars is announced. Now, it's being hyped up like a tornado. World Of Warcaft is lame - until the day World Of Halo is announced. If this happens (which, somehow, is possible) it'll sell like hotcakes.


Taalon

WOW is lameok there and you think this wy. I never played the game but 9,000,000 think othrer wize so it has to be good I think your lame and don't know what your talking about

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I don't think Halo boys will buy, at least not a good deal of them, RTS don't go well with them. It probably will sell to those interested in the Halo lore, but I think it only extends to a certian point when it comes down to the general individual.

ArisShadows

I bet you this game sells over 2million

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from what has been shown of the game.... it looks terribly boring.hip-hop-cola2

you need a new hoby insted of piking apart games you never played yet

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There's so much hate against RTS games, right up until the day Halo Wars is announced. Now, it's being hyped up like a tornado. World Of Warcaft is lame - until the day World Of Halo is announced. If this happens (which, somehow, is possible) it'll sell like hotcakes.


Taalon

world of warcraft has over 9 million subscribers.... what are you talking about. age of kings has a lot of players as well and halo wars is being made by ensemble the same studio that makes age....

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[QUOTE="Taalon"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Halo Wars will be good for the RTS genre. I can see it recruiting a lot of new folk the same way Halo brought a lot of newbies into FPS.

I more concerned about Ensemble making RTS "work" and putting out a good game rather than how much it sells.

Blue-Sky



From the videos so far, it doesn't seem to meet the standards of past RTS games. It's very simple, very basic. But regardless, I and many other people feel it will sell simply because it's Halo.

Thats because 360 doesn't have a mouse. Just no way you can manage hordes of unitswithout one i.e. Supreme Commander. Ensemble would have to model the gameplay around that. but thats why I mentioned they have to make it "work"

lord of the rings one worked very well.

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#30 karram
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I think the game is going to sell well not because its name only but also because it's going to be great.
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Its being made by a relable dev so I have faith that it will be good. But I don't have much personal interest in it.
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halo wars is going to copy everything from starcraft II. then lemmings are going to go around and say halo wars innovated rts genre. :lol:

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Selling only because of the name brand has worked out pretty well for Sony so far.
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Wow, very intelligent statement! Um, ALL games that are sequels and spin-offs of popular series sell because of the name. Why do you think we have Tony Hawk #10 and Need for Speed #20? They could make a Madden RTS and people would buy it even if it was a horrible idea.
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it won't work

you cannot, i repeat, cannot, play an RTS without a mouse and keyboard.

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halo wars is going to copy everything from starcraft II. then lemmings are going to go around and say halo wars innovated rts genre. :lol:

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How? Despite what people are saying starcraft 2 is going to be a very good RTS. But will it innovate? Thats yet to be seen.

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It probably will do well because of the name but that's why Microsoft are making it. Even though it wasn't their idea in the first place they'll take all the credit for it.
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Your thread is unoriginal and thoughtless, I can sum up exactly what you did before you hit the submit button and that was veiw the other, larger multiple "Halo Wars" threads on the front page. I call that, The System Wars Copy/Paste syndrome.

What makes you qualified to compare this game to PC RTS' ESPECIALLY since it's 6 months away. No were on your XBL profile do I see CnC3, BFME or BattleStations so Im curious as to were your pulling criticism when you haven't had past experience with similar games or are you just being fanboyish, going with the gist of things. I think this is a clas-sic case of invalid opinion.

PS. You gave Assassins Creed, Ratchet and Clank a prime 10? Talk about diminished credibility.Pro_wrestler


Why yes, I did do that. Reason being is that there was not another thread about this paticular point, so I created one.

Secondly, I have played all three of the games you named on the Xbox 360. Battlestations worked well, but the other two just didn't feel right on the controller. Battlestations isn't even a realtime strategy game, which is why the controls work so well. It's like Halo 2 on PC, it just doesn't feel right.

And to those ratings I gave: I don't know how to add them as "favourite" games so I simply did that. They're saved on my profile just the same. And I don't see how that changes my credibility seeing as they're not only different from each other in every way, but they're different consoles and genre than the topic game. I don't see where that comes from.

Regardless, I'm not saying Halo Wars will be a bad game. I'm saying I believe that a lot of copies will sell not because the purchasers like RTS games, but because it's Halo and they want more out of the Halo. If it wasn't Halo, it wouldn't sell as many copies as when it is, I assure you.


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i belive halo named sports game will sell like 500k just because of 'halo'
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#40 dlind70
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it won't work

you cannot, i repeat, cannot, play an RTS without a mouse and keyboard.

mistervengeance

People said the exact same statement years ago conserning FPS, but then companies like Rare and Bungie proved it false.

Chris Talyor seems to think otherwise as GPG is making SupCom work on a console. For example, Strategic Zoom takes one of the biggest challeges in the conversion to console and makes moving to any part of the map near effortless.

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#41 subrosian
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Well what should they have called it - "Crap Wars: the unending boredom"? A good name is important.
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#42 Redmoonxl2
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Ensemble are great devs, they can deliver.WuTangG

They were a great developer...until AoEIII.

As the RTS genre goes thus far, there are only three names to rely on: Relic, Blizzard and Chris Taylor. Everything else requires at least a demo and a week for reviews to flow in before you swear by their quality.

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Well what should they have called it - "Crap Wars: the unending boredom"? A good name is important.subrosian


The title isn't what I meant, I meant the fact that it's Halo.
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#44 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"]Well what should they have called it - "Crap Wars: the unending boredom"? A good name is important.Taalon


The title isn't what I meant, I meant the fact that it's Halo.

I know exactly what you meant, and I simply consider that good marketing. Ensemble's a solid RTS developer, the Halo universe is decent (they stole from the best - Disc World, Starship Troopers, etc...), and it's a popular series. As Bungie originally envisioned Halo as an RTS, even the "perversion of the series" arguments don't hold water.

So what is the complaint?

"OMG how dare they call a Halo game Halo in the title!"?

Any RTS gamer knows what this will be - a combat-focused RTS somewhat like C&C3 simplified ("streamlined") for a controller and equipped with several LIVE modes. It will be too "watered down" for the micromanagement junkies, but unless they pull another AoE III it should be an okay game. I doubt it will live up to any great expecations, but then again Miss Havisham is a *****.

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It could be fun, but the name will help it in some way.
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#46 hip-hop-cola2
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[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]from what has been shown of the game.... it looks terribly boring.RippedFubar

you need a new hoby insted of piking apart games you never played yet

:|

am i not allowed an opinion on something which looks boring to me? i like RTS's and halo wars looks very generic and not in a good way. I'm sorry if you cant take the opinion of some one

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#47 out0v0rder
Member since 2006 • 1994 Posts
Lems before halo wars : RTS IS BORING AND CRAP Lems AFTER halo wars: RTS IS FUN AND COOL!