Hardcore Gamers --- Every console and handheld ever made has catered to you.

I never understood why hardcore gamers complain about certain consoles and/or handhelds. The truth is that every console/handheld ever made has had games that appeal to hardcore gamers. The way hardcore gamers talk, you would think this isn't the case. Now, are some consoles/handhelds more hardcore gamer friendly than others? Sure. But hardcore gamers have NEVER been excluded for consoles or handhelds. Name ONE console or handheld that hasn't catered to the hardcore. There isn't one. There is ALWAYS a game on any console/handheld that caters to the hardcore.

I'm only making this topic because I've read a lot of complaining from hardcore gamers.

Hardcore gamers may love gaming, but they are always very critical.

Why else are gaming forums and sites so popular.

The DS is a perfect example of something that isn't made for gamers primarily. The iPod look, the touch screen, tons of casual games... these all happened to the fact that Nintendo wanted to portray the DS as a casual handheld since the beginning. dracula_16

Nintendo are effectively mimicking what Apple have done - except gaming wise.

In a business and design sense too.

The Wii was not catered towards hardcore gamers....look at the majority of people that own Wii's....they are casuals of all ages.Flabu

[QUOTE="Flabu"]The Wii was not catered towards hardcore gamers....look at the majority of people that own Wii's....they are casuals of all ages.jg4xchamp

However the problem is these 'hardcore' games seem to sell far less than 'casual' titles, which speaks volumes about the main userbase.

I was talking to the owner of a local game store today, and i was surprised to hear from him that Carnival Games and Wiiplay - just retail game only - sold loads more than titles like Mario Galaxy, LoZ TP, and Metroid Prime (which from him didnt sell much at his store at all). The hardcore game sales - he says - seem to fluctuate - when they release they sell well, then now and again they spike - wheras these casual games constantly say well - both amazing and sad at the same time.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Flabu"]The Wii was not catered towards hardcore gamers....look at the majority of people that own Wii's....they are casuals of all ages.skrat_01

However the problem is these 'hardcore' games seem to sell far less than 'casual' titles, which speaks volumes about the main userbase.

I was talking to the owner of a local game store today, and i was surprised to hear from him that Carnival Games and Wiiplay - just retail game only - sold loads more than titles like Mario Galaxy, LoZ TP, and Metroid Prime (which from him didnt sell much at his store at all). The hardcore game sales - he says - seem to fluctuate - when they release they sell well, then now and again they spike - wheras these casual games constantly say well - both amazing and sad at the same time.

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

You guys can make up additional definitions to try and make certain "groups" look superior if you want, but a hardcore gamer is someone devoted to gaming(the definition of hardcore is incredibly loyal). This says nothing about what types of games he/she plays, how deep or how long they are. With that said, someone who's devoted to gaming may find something to love in each system..

It really seems this gen that the majority of the casual gamers who've existed for quite some time seem to have bumped themselves up to "hardcore" gamer status to make way for the so called "non gamers".

Some others also seem to think that a game has to be "deep" or "challenging" to cater to a "hardcore". Yet, the wii and ds certainly do not lack those. In fact, they probably have more deep/long/challenging games then all the other systems(excluding pc probably). Contra 4 DS, Etrian Odyssey, Fire Emblem, and Trauma Center.

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

mjarantilla

I agree that Nintendo and other dev's are not leaving the hardcore fan base in the dust.

Its just that the way the Wii was designed and the way the most popular games are small attach rate games such as Wii Sports and Wii play, these are the reasons that the Wii has sold so well. Its because the casuals want to play games that you can hop right into for 2 hours on a weekend with a couple friends not play a long 40 hour adventure that takes weeks to complete.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

skrat_01

What about the 360?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

mjarantilla

What about the 360?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

skrat_01

What about the 360?

I wouldn't say they've been massive. Better than the original Xbox, but only by about a quarter to a third. It looks like it'll take the 360 about three years to reach the same total that the Xbox had in four.

The thing most people don't seem to grasp is that games like TP, SMG, MP, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Sunshine, SMB2/Lost Levels, hell even the earlier Castlevanias (1/2/3) etc are not games that any 'ol console owner can enjoy fully, even if your bad arse at Halo, you may not even be able to finish TP.

It's the same deal with classic games like Planescape: Torment, Chrono Trigger, Werewolf: The Last Warrior, Ninja Gaiden SMS, FFV, Wizards and Warriros etc. Many people may have played them, but few have conquered them.

Most consoles have games like this, most gaming systems have games that you have to be hellishly dedicated to to finish. To be honest, I love every gaming system that has ever been, from the Fountain and Odyessy, to the home cps2, to the high end PC. I just take part in the console war because it's entertaining.

The thing most people don't seem to grasp is that games like TP, SMG, MP, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Sunshine, SMB2/Lost Levels, hell even Castlevania etc are not games that any 'ol console owner can enjoy fully, even if your bad arse at Halo, you may not even be able to finish TP.

It's the same deal with classic games like Planescape: Torment, Chrono Trigger, Werewolf: The Last Warrior, Ninja Gaiden SMS, FFV, Wizards and Warriros etc. Many people may have played them, but few have conquered them.

All consoles have games like this, all gaming systems have games that you have to be hellishly dedicated to to finish. To be honest, I love every gaming system that has ever been, from the Fountain and Odyessy, to the home cps2, to the high end PC. I just take part in the console war because it's entertaining.

householdman

I concur. TP was my first console Zelda and boy was the puzzles very difficult. It took me 60 hours to finish with a little bit of help from a guide.Zelda fans won't find it difficult because they're already familiar with the formula and design of most Zelda games.

I remember an RPG game for GB which was very difficult. It was old school and required grinding but not too much. However, what made the game so hard were the bosses especially the last boss. I can't remember how much exactly his life was but it was too high. My brother fought the last boss for more than an hour. What kept the battle entertaining was the fact that you could die anytime and you have to make a strategy and plan on what to do and to survive. Good ol' days.

Hardcore gamers buy every successful console that comes to the market and have a nice PC , that's exactly why they are called hardcore gamers .

You are mistaking hardcore gamers with the Fan-girl whiners and moneyless haters that infest this part of the forum .

Hardcore gamers buy every successful console that comes to the market and have a nice PC , that's exactly why they are called hardcore gamers .

You are mistaking hardcore gamers with the Fan-girl whiners and moneyless haters that infest this part of the forum .

Caseytappy

Perhaps thats your definition of a Hardcore gamer, but I would say someone who only ever owned a few systems yet plays SF2 or SSBM at a competetive level are more Hardcore than some rich person who owns everything under the sun.

In my eyes, it's dedication and passion that define a gamer, not the depth of their coffers.

Surely Hardcore gamer is someone who Plays games because they love them.... they put alot of time and dedication in no matter the game.....

But then there are games which need time and dedication to understand them and get the most out of them..... not just pick up and play...

Every console/handheld on the market has those games

Every console and handheld ever made has catered to you.

AvIdGaMeR444

This thread fails.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"] Every console and handheld ever made has catered to you.

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This thread fails.

No THING caters to all but what he's implying is all consoles and handhelds caters to hardcore gamers.

You fail.

So, because I game with a passion I am not allowed to be critical of a company or a system? I'm sorry, but I disagree.SpruceCaboose

Yeah of course you can be critical, but the fan boys running saying "wii sux because it has no hardcore games" or "the games looks kiddy so it can't be hardcore" or what ever they say.... can't seem to see that you don't need to play games on 40" HD LCD's with your PS3 to be a hardcore gamer

Wii does cater for a hardcore audience(e.g Fire Emblem)but you will have to deal with Graphics e.t.c which do not match the 360/PS3

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

With a big enough userbase, there's a market for everybody. Why do you think that no game, not even the most popular games, ever managed to get higher than a 10% attach rate on the PS2, while the Xbox and GameCube (and the PS3 and 360) both had games that had 30% attach rates and higher?

skrat_01

I see 360 games sharign a similar pattern of selling well in the first month or 2 months and then disappearing. there just not much casual games to compare it too. nor does the 360 have a userbase that is as diverse.

I concur. TP was my first console Zelda and boy was the puzzles very difficult. lordlors

I never understood why hardcore gamers complain about certain consoles and/or handhelds. The truth is that every console/handheld ever made has had games that appeal to hardcore gamers. The way hardcore gamers talk, you would think this isn't the case. Now, are some consoles/handhelds more hardcore gamer friendly than others? Sure. But hardcore gamers have NEVER been excluded for consoles or handhelds. Name ONE console or handheld that hasn't catered to the hardcore. There isn't one. There is ALWAYS a game on any console/handheld that caters to the hardcore.

I'm only making this topic because I've read a lot of complaining from hardcore gamers.

AvIdGaMeR444

Ask and you shall receive :)

:lol:

In all seriousness, I agree that the conventionalconsoles/handhelds have always had something that appealed to my hardcore side.

The Wii may have a couple "hardcore" type games, but it doesn't cater to hardcore gamers at all. It uses last generation graphics with a new remote. It is designed for casual gamers, children, and as a secondary system for those that own a Xbox360 or PS3.druid318

Your logic fails.

Any console or handheld that has a couple of hardcore games, caters to hardcore gamers.

The Wii has a couple of hardcore games.

Therefore, the wii caters to hardcore gamers.