HARMONIX developer on PS3 capabilities... link

was this already posted..... this is HUGE...

"I read various game forums from time to time, and often see gamers complaining about 'lazy ports' to the PS3. They often mention how the PS3 is the most powerful game console and blame developers working on the console for doing a bad job. Sony has all of these people duped by impressive marketing spin... ports to the PS3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and ...most PS3 exclusives will likely continue to suck," he says.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17934

I agree with multiplats, but PS3 exclusives WILL be the best looking games this generationtherealmcc0y

and so will 360s/

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I agree with multiplats, but PS3 exclusives WILL be the best looking games this generationtherealmcc0y

... 0.o is this the same Dev who made a blog entry? he's fired.Hitamaru-homia

He is?!

that's some ownage, but we all already know that 360 has better graphics than ps3_KenKittyragi_

OH MY EYES!!! That is one disturbing sig!!

More evidence that developing on the PS3 is significantly more difficult than developing on the 360. Difficulty in developing for the PS3 may prove a major disincentive for developers to support or prioritize development on the platform.fuzzysquash

ports maybe but games specifically for ps3 do look really really good :oomarguy01

Pretty much. The PS3 is capable of being great if developers are willing to spend the time making a game run better on it, but like we have seen with the Wii, some developers do not give a rats ass about the console and would rather spend time making a stupid rehash instead of trying to do unique things witha game when it comes to multiplatform games.

This is a pretty easy argument to dispute in a few ways. First, for every developer that claims the PS3 is incapable of certain things, there is another developer that says the opposite. Second, Harmonix has worked on a single game for the PS3 and I highly doubt the required development for something like Rock Band is even close to the simplest of games in any other genre.Velric

That is the thing though, Rock Band will look the same on both consoles anywaybecause the game is not very graphics intensive (unlike Mass Effect, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, etc). Were we talking about some open ended RPG with huge environments and stuff, then yeah I could see certain games running better and the ease of development being easier on the 360 but were it a multiplat, if developers added some extra time to make the PS3 version as good, there would be no comparison.

Didn't he get the memo? Ratchet is the most graphically intensive game I've ever seen or played in my life.

If what he says is true, he's going to have to relook that comment about PS3 games being interesting if done correctly but still inferior to the Xbox 360....especially considering the order of magnitude at which Ratchet hands it to Halo 3 in the visuals department.

Why doesn't he stop, rethink his comment, and explain Rage. Explain LA Noire. Explain Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, etcetera. Explain UT3 and Haze.

I understand exactly what the trend is. It's a trend he hasn't noticed, obviously. Games that are exclusive to the Playstation 3 or for which the developers have taken a significant amount of time optimizing look a hell of a lot better on the Playstation 3. UT3 looks amazing....Rainbow Six does not.

I have never seen any logical basis for his half the pixel fillrate point. I have never heard anything like it mentioned. The only complaint that I have ever catalogued about the Playstation 3 in terms of development difficulties with regards to the platform itself refer to "lack of RAM," which is an insanely uneducated opinion. As far as pixel fill-rate....we've literally got the statistics in front of us.

We've got the games in front of us. Make your selection.

I seriously doubt the correctness of this in my own opinion supported by small amounts of limited research. This is hardly remarkable as it is just one more log tossed into the fire that burns in both directions. There are many "informed" pieces written stating many different things about both consoles; they range from the PS3 being incredibly more powerful than the 360 to the 360 tromping the PS3 in everything but media drives. I believe the PS3 is slightly more powerful (think PS2 vs. GC) than the 360 but only when well coded for. Anyone who takes this as some huge turning point is either a fanboy or just very naive, or in all likelyhood, both.GIJames248

Ratchet was the only legitimate turning point for me thus far.

:lol: again.

Guitar Hero and Rock Band both push the console to it's limits! :lol:

Look at Insomniac's games, then tell me again that you can't do it.

I will tell you that you aren't as good at your job as they are. L2develop.

I agree with multiplats, but PS3 exclusives WILL be the best looking games this generationtherealmcc0y

Agreed. Only the Sony Exclusives will be the ones to really stand out and show the potential. That's why I got the PS3, for its exclusives.

dude he's just saying that because he himself is lazy and doesnt want to put

in work to make games good

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

Games that are exclusive to the Playstation 3 or for which the developers have taken a significant amount of time optimizing look a hell of a lot better on the Playstation 3.

farrell2k

What?! As opposed to PS3 exclusives looking better on the 360?

As opposed to 360 games in general.

Uncharted.

Killzone 2 says Hi :lol:M8ingSeezun

COD4 looks better so I don't get it. Killzone 2 could be done on xbox 360

[QUOTE="therealmcc0y"]I agree with multiplats, but PS3 exclusives WILL be the best looking games this generation_KenKittyragi_

and so will 360s/

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Fanboy says what? Oh, yes, lame opinion, that's right, pointless and holds no credibility.

/your logic

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]Killzone 2 says Hi :lol:pilotc

COD4 looks better so I don't get it. Killzone 2 could be done on xbox 360

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]Killzone 2 says Hi :lol:pilotc

COD4 looks better so I don't get it. Killzone 2 could be done on xbox 360

Dead wrong, Saw IV comes out today. if you didn't know.

[QUOTE="pilotc"]

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]Killzone 2 says Hi :lol:Jared2720

COD4 looks better so I don't get it. Killzone 2 could be done on xbox 360

No the Cell woke me up and said it was a super computer and then I spoke with the RSX it said it could produce "4d" as in the fourth dimension..which is time..go figure..

He adds, "For instance, in Resistance: Fall of Man, every art asset is stored on disk once for every level that uses it. So rather than storing one copy of a texture, you're storing it 12 times. If you took that entire game and removed all the duplicate data, it would likely fit on a DVD without any problem."

Is that true?

He adds, "For instance, in Resistance: Fall of Man, every art asset is stored on disk once for every level that uses it. So rather than storing one copy of a texture, you're storing it 12 times. If you took that entire game and removed all the duplicate data, it would likely fit on a DVD without any problem."

Is that true?

PSP107

He adds, "For instance, in Resistance: Fall of Man, every art asset is stored on disk once for every level that uses it. So rather than storing one copy of a texture, you're storing it 12 times. If you took that entire game and removed all the duplicate data, it would likely fit on a DVD without any problem."

Is that true?

PSP107

Yep.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8375961&postcount=65

Yeah, this guy doesn't actually work for Harmonix anymore, and must have some kind of jealousy/vendetta against Sony. I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.
0rin

Yeah, that is ALWAYS the case when someone is trash talking.....groan

[QUOTE="PSP107"]

He adds, "For instance, in Resistance: Fall of Man, every art asset is stored on disk once for every level that uses it. So rather than storing one copy of a texture, you're storing it 12 times. If you took that entire game and removed all the duplicate data, it would likely fit on a DVD without any problem."

Is that true?

Jared2720

It does make a difference because it suggests that Blu-Ray is not needed and that anyone who bought a PS3 was trojan-horsed by it. If they could have made a PS3 with a regular DVD9 drive then it would have cost a lot less and the PS3 may have ended up in a better position then it is now.

Can you imagine if the PS3 was $400 at launch for the 60gig? That would have been great for Sony.

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]Killzone 2 says Hi :lol:pilotc

COD4 looks better so I don't get it. Killzone 2 could be done on xbox 360

CoD4 is multiplat.

I'm talking about games built around the PS3 hardware from the ground up. And Guerilla, from the videos I've seen, have done a phenomenal job with Killzone 2....so far. And has far exceeded my expectation (coming from an Xbox-Halo fan and Killzone basher). That emo Harmonix developer's argument is moot when he talks about crappy exclusives for PS3. Harmonix games, like Guitar Hero are not exactly known for its graphics. So I don't exactly know what's stuck up his -ss.

Games built from the ground up on PS3 hardware will only get better in time.