Has Halo 3 really been downgraded?

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#1 cobrax80
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The only big differenceI see is in the textures. Also the E306 trailer was confirmed in-game, what happened?

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#2 SpaceMatt
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They swapped out the super-shiny bullet magnet (in other words would stick out like a sore thumb on a battlefield)E3 2006 textures for the more-realistic looking E3 2007 ones.
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#3 MADVLAD123
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I think Bungie said they didn't want the shiny concrete look of the E306 Masterchief so they changed it to a more metalic and smooth Master Chief.

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#4 wolverine4262
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I think Bungie said they didn't want the shiny concrete look of the E306 Masterchief so they changed it to a more metalic and smooth Master Chief.

MADVLAD123
bingo.... Bungie said that the actual models contain the exact same poly count, though... Plus, in the pics the lighting is much brighter in the second one....
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#5 Vylence
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I dunno, I think the MC looks better in the first pick. Plus there is more scenery in the first pic then in the second pic. I would need to see the videos again.

Though on second thought I think the only thing which made that first video so good looking was the weird blur effect they had on the sand, like heat waves coming off it. That and the mega reflectiveness of his visor.

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#6 Spartan070
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In some ways it looks much better now, just look at the gun, big improvement. MJOLNIR is supposed to have a "GLOSSY SMOOTH SHEEN", not 16th century, concrete-textured flak armor.
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#7 djxaquaxblue
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looks downgraded to me...you dont even see like the war torn surface on the first pic as you see in the second pic on his chest. the first pic looks like his armor is just blurred out. it dosnt matter if its shinny or not, you can see a big difference and the first pic has lesser detail than the second pic has.
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#8 -Ninja_Dog-
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Jeez Bungie, you all should just have used "Speedtree".

Looks good

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#9 dgroundwater
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Misconception! The E3 06' trailer was in engine. Meaning they had some extra visual filters and such that wouln't be possible during gameplay. Also, the fancy golden concrete like sheen was replaced with a more accurate to the source material... er, material. Anyone who tells you it was "downgraded" doesn't know about Halo.
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#10 wolverine4262
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Id also like to mention that the latest previews have only positives for the graphics, with joystiq going as far as saying, "We're not talking Crysis levels of photorealistic detail here, but pretty close."
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#11 adriancostin83
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the game still looks good! it has not been downgraded...
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#12 wolverine4262
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looks downgraded to me...you dont even see like the war torn surface on the first pic as you see in the second pic on his chest. the first pic looks like his armor is just blurred out. it dosnt matter if its shinny or not, you can see a big difference and the first pic has lesser detail than the second pic has. djxaquaxblue
i could have sworn that MC incurred battle damage throughout the game.... So, if thats true then he obviously wouldnt have the same amount because the first pic is from reportedly the first level and the E306 trailer is from much later in the game.... but what do I know?
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#13 Mikerules868
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if your talking about the chief, there not texturing him like that anymore, they say e3 '06 looked like concreate. and the environemnts look almost spot on, look at the trees & the moss in the new pic
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#14 XINTSUAI2
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Monster downgrade...
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#15 anshuk20002
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it looks really good actually but the animations are weird. like that brute throwing the soldier it was weird man
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#16 Mikerules868
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Monster downgrade... XINTSUAI2

:roll:

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#17 Spartan070
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Monster downgrade... XINTSUAI2

*looks at sig*

Umm...sure. Ok.

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#18 wolverine4262
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it looks really good actually but the animations are weird. like that brute throwing the soldier it was weird mananshuk20002
you mean when the brute pounded on seargent johnson in the trailer? THat was bad***!
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#19 jg4xchamp
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Not downgraded.

Only legit one is the visor. I wanted reflections. So maybe it went from a jaw dropping 10 to a 9.
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[QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"]Monster downgrade... Spartan070

*looks at sig*

Umm...sure. Ok.

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#21 lucas_kelly
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It looks just as smooth but there is a bit of detail missing and Master Chief is a diffrent color.
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#22 MickeyTheNinja
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Monster downgrade... XINTSUAI2

Monster fanboy that cant read

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#23 Mikerules868
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It looks just as smooth but there is a bit of detail missing and Master Chief is a diffrent color.lucas_kelly

no, different lighting. in e3 '06 he was reflectiong off the sand

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#24 wolverine4262
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[QUOTE="lucas_kelly"]It looks just as smooth but there is a bit of detail missing and Master Chief is a diffrent color.Mikerules868

no, different lighting. in e3 '06 he was reflectiong off the sand

yay, people need to remember the difference in locale
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#25 coolviper2003
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It looks fine to me, it doesn't look any worse, they just swaped out the textures. Not to mention both IGN and Gamespot said the single player level that they were allowed to play looks much better then the beta that the public played. The last time I checked, the beta looked at least as good as Perfect Dark Zero if not better, which is a pretty game in it's own right.
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#26 adriancostin83
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Monster downgrade... XINTSUAI2

thanks for ur opinio..moooooo

now explain how is it a monster downgrade, oh and how big is this monster?just curious that's all

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#27 PBSnipes
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Yeah the reason for the lack of detail in the armour between the screenshots is Bungie thought the E3 06 trailer looked like the armour was made of concrete, so they changed it to the current look, which is much sleeker and looks more like you'd expect armour to. As for the game it looks like a solid 9 graphically based off the newest video, but it looks like the video is made up of shots from a couple of different builds IMO, so the game might look better when it ships.
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#28 TheCrazed420
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Looks fantastic. As others have stated, it's the animations that worry me.
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#29 JakeT
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I actually think the newer pic looks better... cleaner if you will. The original reveal trailer was too shiny for my tastes, but it's good to see that the devs have gotten away from the vaseline coated shinyness of the first few launch games for the 360.

Besides, within the single player campaign, how often are you looking at yourself (as MC) outside of cutscenes?

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#30 elite_ferns1
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This thread is the perfect example of how graphics are so important. The poly count is the exact same. Zoom in on both pics and see the level of detail on the 2007 one. That is what i heard from the bungie site.
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#31 machitocaliente
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nice trees.
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#32 trix5817
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Yes. Anyone who says otherwise needs to take their fanboy goggles off. It looks good, but not nearly as good as the E3 2006 trailer. The textures are 10x better and so is the lighting. MC's armor actuall looks like it's 3d so to speak and is much more detailed. Please, you can't deny this.
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#33 sPOON_f33dU
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nice trees. machitocaliente

downgrade complete

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#34 coakroach
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Monster downgrade... XINTSUAI2

Monster dumbass

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#35 trix5817
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In some ways it looks much better now, just look at the gun, big improvement. MJOLNIR is supposed to have a "GLOSSY SMOOTH SHEEN", not 16th century, concrete-textured flak armor.Spartan070

It's funny how people are saying this now, yet when they released the E3 trailer in 06 they did nothing but praise it. Many actually thought it looked better than Crysis. I did a poll on which looked better, Crysis, MGS4, or Halo3. The majority chose Halo3......

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#36 iNeedFreedom
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[QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"]Monster downgrade... Spartan070

*looks at sig*

Umm...sure. Ok.

looks at halo 3 sig ... yup your answer .
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#37 jujutheking
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I actually think the newer pic looks better... cleaner if you will. The original reveal trailer was too shiny for my tastes, but it's good to see that the devs have gotten away from the vaseline coated shinyness of the first few launch games for the 360.

Besides, within the single player campaign, how often are you looking at yourself (as MC) outside of cutscenes?

JakeT

Finally a mod.Why are u locking KZ@ positive threads while the negtives stay up.Either take the sticky down or stop locking the threads.Anyways u could clearly see more detail on the old version, but the new one still look amazing.

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#38 JakeT
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[QUOTE="JakeT"]

I actually think the newer pic looks better... cleaner if you will. The original reveal trailer was too shiny for my tastes, but it's good to see that the devs have gotten away from the vaseline coated shinyness of the first few launch games for the 360.

Besides, within the single player campaign, how often are you looking at yourself (as MC) outside of cutscenes?

jujutheking

Finally a mod.Why are u locking KZ@ positive threads while the negtives stay up.Either take the sticky down or stop locking the threads.Anyways u could clearly see more detail on the old version, but the new one still look amazing.

Urg... I haven't really locked anything about KZ tonight. But yeah... I'm on it.

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#39 jujutheking
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[QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="JakeT"]

I actually think the newer pic looks better... cleaner if you will. The original reveal trailer was too shiny for my tastes, but it's good to see that the devs have gotten away from the vaseline coated shinyness of the first few launch games for the 360.

Besides, within the single player campaign, how often are you looking at yourself (as MC) outside of cutscenes?

JakeT

Finally a mod.Why are u locking KZ@ positive threads while the negtives stay up.Either take the sticky down or stop locking the threads.Anyways u could clearly see more detail on the old version, but the new one still look amazing.

Urg... I haven't really locked anything about KZ tonight. But yeah... I'm on it.

Thanks a unbias mod.

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#40 Blackout-------
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I think it looks better tbh.
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#41 JakeT
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[QUOTE="JakeT"][QUOTE="jujutheking"][QUOTE="JakeT"]

I actually think the newer pic looks better... cleaner if you will. The original reveal trailer was too shiny for my tastes, but it's good to see that the devs have gotten away from the vaseline coated shinyness of the first few launch games for the 360.

Besides, within the single player campaign, how often are you looking at yourself (as MC) outside of cutscenes?

jujutheking

Finally a mod.Why are u locking KZ@ positive threads while the negtives stay up.Either take the sticky down or stop locking the threads.Anyways u could clearly see more detail on the old version, but the new one still look amazing.

Urg... I haven't really locked anything about KZ tonight. But yeah... I'm on it.

Thanks a unbias mod.

Not a problem. :D

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#42 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="Spartan070"]

[QUOTE="XINTSUAI2"]Monster downgrade... iNeedFreedom

*looks at sig*

Umm...sure. Ok.

looks at halo 3 sig ... yup your answer .

I'll have you know I'm known as being very open minded.:D

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#43 justforlotr2004
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In all honesty people blow the Halo 3 real-time video way out of proportion. If you look at the surrounding detail besides the model the game actually looks BETTER than the real-time video. The model also wasnt downgraded either, the texture was just changed artisicly.

For example the structure textures are not very high res or detailed. Basicly the only thing is diffrent is the Chief's armor and that doesnt really matter to much considering you wont be seeing him much ingame unless your playing co-op and even still he doesnt look bad.

A good example that it was actually a artistic change and not a downgrade is the CGI commercial actually represnts the new style that the game now has.

Anyway I think it looks great and in motion during playing it I bet the game will look just fine.

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#44 Psychosisrain
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MONSTER DOWNGRADE! :D
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#45 furtherfan
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They swapped out the super-shiny bullet magnet (in other words would stick out like a sore thumb on a battlefield)E3 2006 textures for the more-realistic looking E3 2007 ones.SpaceMatt

exactly. same amount of polygons. and the shiney sand grained texture is fugly. it's for the better. no downgrade at all.