Has Nintendo Abandoned the Hardcore Gamer? (Poll)

At Nintendo's E3 press conference, very little of it was devoted to their big games: Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. And what's more, most of the conference focused on games that catered to the casual market.

The Wii is selling very well now. Nintendo has found a way to mass profits, and they took it: the casual and non-gamer market. But in doing so, do you think they have abandoned who got them there in the first place: the hardcore gamer?

No, Nintendo is giving Hardcore gamers exactly what they need. More reading, more writing, more math, and more exercise.

Just look at this "Hardcore Gamer's" report card. :D

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa276/Windurst/X360Report.jpg

i don't think so, reggie stated that still most of the wii-owners were hardcore so i hope they just show some more footage this week of their hardcore games and announce new games (WHERE THE **** IS KID ICARUS?)

No they are producing more hardcore games then ever before newelly87

bwahahaha.

And to answer the TC. No they haven't abandoned them they have just made them less of a prioity. In 1-2 years time we will se fewer and fewer hardcore games on the system due to 3rd parties not being able to sell "normal" games on the system.

i don't think so, reggie stated that still most of the wii-owners were hardcore so i hope they just show some more footage this week of their hardcore games and announce new games (WHERE THE **** IS KID ICARUS?)

perkazz

They announced MK and it's not out till 08.

No, they've not abandoned them. That's clear from the huge amount of hardcore games they have in development. What they have done however, is put them to the side. It doesn't mean there won't be hardcore games, it jsut means they won't the in the spotlight as much as things like Brain Training or this new Wii Fit. From their conference it's pretty easy to see why. These games are a lot more profitable and more importantly need the advertising.

Hardcore games don't need as much advertising because the people that play them are avid game players, and will find these games, rather then wait for them to be shown. Wheras non-gamers obviously aren't going to know about these new "non-games" like Brain Training, unless it's shown to them in adverts and marketing campaigns. I can't say I'm happy with this new priority, but whatever, as long as they keep the great first party games coming out, I'll buy them, but I think I might as well get an Xbox 360 for third party games. Last gen I only had a GC and therefore missed out on a lot of games, so it'd be stupid to do that again.

hardocre gamers want replayability (screw that word, you know what i mean) they wrapped it up by making Metroid 3 without multiplayer

OMG, sombody seen this video ? http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21649.html
it is so horrible,super mario galaxy looks completely childish and terribly too easy, i don't even consider buying that game again

MP3, SMG, SSBB, BWII, and FEpor all coming out this year?

They HATE US! :cries:

The Wii was designed to boost the failing gamer market in japan, with something completely different that every noob and his dog can play.tomarlyn

Guess it looks like it gave everywhere a boost. ;)

hardocre gamers want replayability (screw that word, you know what i mean) they wrapped it up by making Metroid 3 without multiplayer

OMG, sombody seen this video ? http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21649.html
it is so horrible,super mario galaxy looks completely childish and terribly too easy, i don't even consider buying that game again

waza000

Hardcore gamers want their franchises to have polished core game mechanics and differ from other games, not make one beloved original franchise like a million others out there buy completly changing its genre.

okay how many of those votes for the wii abandonning the hardcore gamer from posters just trying to put down the wii because it isn't their favorite system??I bet its a lot more than thosewho voted blindly for the wii to support it

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I'm seriously starting to think so.

A Zelda here and a Metroid there just isn't enough anymore.
SSBB will be the last of the series so it's not like it matters.


I'm sorry but when your best and legendary dev says something along the lines of "Screw Mario you guys I want to show you Wii Fit", you know something has changed.DireToad

SSBB is the last? Where did you get this from?

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I'm seriously starting to think so.

A Zelda here and a Metroid there just isn't enough anymore.
SSBB will be the last of the series so it's not like it matters.


I'm sorry but when your best and legendary dev says something along the lines of "Screw Mario you guys I want to show you Wii Fit", you know something has changed.Eponique

SSBB is the last? Where did you get this from?

MP3, SMG, SSBB, BWii, Strikers, and Mario Kart all out in the next 6 months?! HOW DARE NINTENDO ABANDON US?!!?Michael85

Calling strikers hardcore is laughable, so is Mario Karts, while they are good games, they are not in that segement.

At Nintendo's E3 press conference, very little of it was devoted to their big games: Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. And what's more, most of the conference focused on games that catered to the casual market.

The Wii is selling very well now. Nintendo has found a way to mass profits, and they took it: the casual and non-gamer market. But in doing so, do you think they have abandoned who got them there in the first place: the hardcore gamer?

norfair_dweller

[QUOTE="Michael85"]MP3, SMG, SSBB, BWii, Strikers, and Mario Kart all out in the next 6 months?! HOW DARE NINTENDO ABANDON US?!!?Meu2k7

Calling strikers hardcore is laughable, so is Mario Karts, while they are good games, they are not in that segement.

They haven't abandoned them, but they sure are moving farther and farther away from them. Finale-

I would disagree, only a little piece of Nintendo is concentrating on them. This little piece seems to pump out about one innovate title for them year, what's the big deal?

Big N is just catering to more than just the hardcore

Nintendo hasn't abandoned the hardcore gamer, but has abandoned making good games :|Dahaka-UK

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21554.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21553.html

Look at these two trailers and tell me that nintendo has completely abandoned hardcore gamers.

They haven't abandoned them, but they sure are moving farther and farther away from them. Finale-

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I'm seriously starting to think so.

A Zelda here and a Metroid there just isn't enough anymore.
SSBB will be the last of the series so it's not like it matters.


I'm sorry but when your best and legendary dev says something along the lines of "Screw Mario you guys I want to show you Wii Fit", you know something has changed.DireToad

SSBB is the last? Where did you get this from?

i don't think so, reggie stated that still most of the wii-owners were hardcore so i hope they just show some more footage this week of their hardcore games and announce new games (WHERE THE **** IS KID ICARUS?)

perkazz

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I'm seriously starting to think so.

A Zelda here and a Metroid there just isn't enough anymore.
SSBB will be the last of the series so it's not like it matters.


I'm sorry but when your best and legendary dev says something along the lines of "Screw Mario you guys I want to show you Wii Fit", you know something has changed.DireToad

SSBB is the last? Where did you get this from?

I don't believe so. But the next entry may not come up for a while, considering the time between installments in the Smash Bros. franchise.

""No, Nintendo is giving Hardcore gamers exactly what they need. More reading, more writing, more math, and more exercise."

QFT my good man!

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I'm seriously starting to think so.

A Zelda here and a Metroid there just isn't enough anymore.
SSBB will be the last of the series so it's not like it matters.


I'm sorry but when your best and legendary dev says something along the lines of "Screw Mario you guys I want to show you Wii Fit", you know something has changed.norfair_dweller

SSBB is the last? Where did you get this from?

I don't believe so. But the next entry may not come up for a while, considering the time between installments in the Smash Bros. franchise.

No they haven't abandoned the hardcore, but the hardcore is not their biggest concern anymore, and why should they focus on the hardcore, doing so put them in third place, now they are about to take first place, only a million behind the 360axt113

The lack of third party support put them in third place. Microsoft andSony catered to the hardcore and yet they didn't take third.

I have a hard time seeing your argument, considering the announcements they made: 32-player online MoH, Mario Kart with more players than ever before online, Brawl and Galaxy got release dates, et cetera. Consider this: the Balance Board is going to bring in everyone. Yeah it starts with a fitness game, but eventually you'll see real games making use of it.ZebethOrZebes

This is simply a poll to see what System Wars thinks; I have not added my personal views.

They haven't abandoned the hardcore. They are still making the same hardcore franchises as before. It is just now they are also making casual games, to attract people. As stated above hardcore gamers will find the games anyways and that e3 was all journalists so they had to try to advertise to the market.

Also if you think about it. 3rd party developers put games on where the numbers are. In appealing to the casual and non-gaming community it boosts sales which will also boost 3rd party support.

"Nintendo may be reaching out to casual players and basing its new system on things like Wii Sports and Wii Fit, but the fact of the matter is that the company is still all about the gamer, and all about the games, and Super Mario Galaxy is pure living proof of that."

From IGN's Super Mario Galaxy preview.

In other words, they aren't "abandoning the hardcore gamer."

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21554.html

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21553.html

Look at these two trailers and tell me that nintendo has completely abandoned hardcore gamers.

Shinobishyguy

YES

galaxy looks childish and too easy, and the kind of game where you'll probably reach 25 lives before you die once

metroid 3, nintendo said they listen to customers, not on this one, the lack of multiplayer (i hope) will kill that game
metroid 3 is the complete opposite of what makes a perfect game for everybody
* perfect game : easy to learn + hard to master
* metroid 3 : easy to learn + easy/medium to master + hard to stay alive (at hard difficulty)
thats the only thing they made for hardcore gamers to have a good feeling about that game, some high difficulty

No, seeing the latest trailers off Mario Galaxy and Prime 3, im very happy :).

Sure, they are still catering more to the casuals, but i think that will pay off for us hardcore players.

[QUOTE="Michael85"]MP3, SMG, SSBB, BWii, Strikers, and Mario Kart all out in the next 6 months?! HOW DARE NINTENDO ABANDON US?!!?Meu2k7

Calling strikers hardcore is laughable, so is Mario Karts, while they are good games, they are not in that segement.

Yeah, because they attracted SOOOO many people to the gamecube.