Has the PS3 surpassed the 360's install base?

Maybe. But they have a large install base that does not play games with the ps3. Otherwise the ps3 would be outselling the 360 in alot more multiplats.

one could make the claim that there are more ps3 OWNERS than there are 360 owners. after all its only in the UK and USA that the 360 really sells everywhere else around the world the ps3 is the console of preference.

no.

the extended warranty means people who own 360s didnt have to buy a new console when it died. Im sure a few did... but the vast majority probably just waited the 2 weeks or however long it took. Out of warranty buys were probably significantly more for the ps3 since they have a much shorter warranty.

ya well, alot of ps3 buyers just wanted to buy a bluray player and couldnt care less about games.

Well, Tehnubtuber, we have no way to know this, so we will just go with the fact that the Xbox sold 41 mil, and the PS3 sold 38 mil. Plus if PS3 was higher it would probably have a higher attach rate too.

You got any data for that 35 - 55% failure rate, and for the other systems? And who is 'they'? Also, your name reminds me of someone :)Ravensmash

Say it's at 10%, which is super low compared to what people believe it's actually at. That still accounts for the 4 million gap between them.

That being said, 360 probably still has a bigger install base judging from software sales.

No, not yet. I think the difference is ~5 million (no hard facts, going off vgchartz and older numbers I have heard). That is about half of the margin that it was when the PS3 was released. (These numbers are extremely rough).

You have to take into account that a decent number of people have bought a second 360 after thier first RROD and that there were quite a few that bought a ps3 for blu-ray.

Does it matter? There is no coneivable way of determining what you want.

At the end of the day, we look at what MS/Sony release and go off of that.

There really is no way to judge. But from what software sales have shown i would guess the 360 currently has around 1.5-2.0 x more people who buy games

Of course just by hardware sale numbers you can't judge. The wii doesn't have a 60 million install base. Like the hardware numbers say

I'm sure they are many people like me that only use the PS3 for movies.Chiddaling

Maybe. But they have a large install base that does not play games with the ps3. Otherwise the ps3 would be outselling the 360 in alot more multiplats.

James161324

[QUOTE="Chiddaling"]I'm sure they are many people like me that only use the PS3 for movies.NubTub_of_Win

No, not yet. I think the difference is ~5 million (no hard facts, going off vgchartz and older numbers I have heard). That is about half of the margin that it was when the PS3 was released. (These numbers are extremely rough).

You have to take into account that a decent number of people have bought a second 360 after thier first RROD and that there were quite a few that bought a ps3 for blu-ray.

Jacobistheman

i really doubt a decent number of people bought a new 360 due to RROD. Maybe early on before the extended warranty... but there was only a small window for launch 360 owners when they were out of warranty until MS announced the extended warranty as i recall.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

Maybe. But they have a large install base that does not play games with the ps3. Otherwise the ps3 would be outselling the 360 in alot more multiplats.

Tyrant156

but thats about it. And i really can't draw anything from 5 games.

the 360 has around 10 million core gamers accourding to the the numbers that micrsoft gives for xbl gold

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Chiddaling"]I'm sure they are many people like me that only use the PS3 for movies.Ravensmash

Put on your analyst caps and give me you honest projection. The PS3 is 3.6M units behind the 360 in total sales. This doesn't mean however that the 360 has a bigger install base because of hardware failures amongst other possible reasons, like banned console rebuys, out of warranty, multiple buys for whatever reason. They say the failures rates of each console are around 2% to 10% for the PS3 and 35% to 55% for the 360. Using this info and whatever else you find relevant would you say you believe the PS3 has surpassed the 360's installed base? NubTub_of_Win

Probably, I had to buy another Xbox 360.

The username of OP is very similar to TehNubTuber...

On-topic: Wansnt there a study conducted that showed PS3 users bought the PS3 mainly for blu ray? So install base would be invalid.

Your whole argument is nothing but speculation that cant be proved.

[QUOTE="Chiddaling"]I'm sure they are many people like me that only use the PS3 for movies.NubTub_of_Win

No, not yet. I think the difference is ~5 million (no hard facts, going off vgchartz and older numbers I have heard). That is about half of the margin that it was when the PS3 was released. (These numbers are extremely rough).

You have to take into account that a decent number of people have bought a second 360 after thier first RROD and that there were quite a few that bought a ps3 for blu-ray.

Jacobistheman

Why are you going off of older numbers from vgchartz, which isn't accurate anyway, when official numbers have been released, thus telling you exactly how many sales there have been?

[QUOTE="NubTub_of_Win"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] But how do you plan on ever finding that information out? It's irrelevant to be honest. Whether it's rebuys due to broken hardware (on either side), second purchases to upgrade models (like I did to the Elite, and others did with the 360 S/PS3 Slim) etc. etc.Ravensmash

It's not irrelevant. A sale is a sale, true, but in this industry it's software sales that are the profit driver, and the install base is what drives the software sales.

Welcome back, TehNubTuber.

The failure rates from 35-55% (though still unconfirmed) only existed for Xbox 360's purchased before 2009. Any consoles produced after that (with the Jasper chip), probably have a failure rate closer to the PS3, about 10-15% if I could take a guess. Who knows what it's at with the 360 S, though.

Also, all of your other points are invalid and could be applied to the PS3 as well.

Surpass 360 or not , Ps3/Sony shouldnt be happy imho , when is dead thrid for near 5 years now , and MIGHT catch 360 this year or next ( official sales ). This imho is EPIC FAIL... If we add that in the end of generation , Sony will got a big minus number as a total loss of this console gen... ( where billions of losses the past 4 years clearly shows that except if PS3 start selling like crazy the next 5-6 years to fill the gap of loses that i really doubt it ) ... We talking about the epic fail imho... Its a shame really ... To rival X360 , when in reality IS NOT x360 doin good , is PS3 doin BAD vs 2 previous gens ... PERIOD... So stop with all these TOPICS about PS3 catching X360 after 4-5 years or whatever.... In reality you admitting pownage with such posts...( hardware sales not software btw ) Struggle to catch up second when First is x2 above... And be happy about it with 1.2billion losses every year the last 4 years? Come on... Wake up sony fans and admit/see reality at least. AzatiS

Great post!

How is it "dead" third if its outselling the main competitor every year? The 1 year headstart is almost gone.

The ps3 might not be as big of a success as the ps1 or the ps2, but its doing very good.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]Surpass 360 or not , Ps3/Sony shouldnt be happy imho , when is dead thrid for near 5 years now , and MIGHT catch 360 this year or next ( official sales ). This imho is EPIC FAIL... If we add that in the end of generation , Sony will got a big minus number as a total loss of this console gen... ( where billions of losses the past 4 years clearly shows that except if PS3 start selling like crazy the next 5-6 years to fill the gap of loses that i really doubt it ) ... We talking about the epic fail imho... Its a shame really ... To rival X360 , when in reality IS NOT x360 doin good , is PS3 doin BAD vs 2 previous gens ... PERIOD... So stop with all these TOPICS about PS3 catching X360 after 4-5 years or whatever.... In reality you admitting pownage with such posts...( hardware sales not software btw ) Struggle to catch up second when First is x2 above... And be happy about it with 1.2billion losses every year the last 4 years? Come on... Wake up sony fans and admit/see reality at least. lucky_star

Great post!

How is it "dead" third if its outselling the main competitor every year? The 1 year headstart is almost gone.

The ps3 might not be as big of a success as the ps1 or the ps2, but its doing very good.

The PS3 isnt outselling the Wii every year.

Lets see, 360 launch was november 2005. So almost all of the 360's sold in the first 2 years since release are outside of warranty now. Its widely assumed that those first batch of consoles had 30% failure rates, though MS will NEVER release that info. But them extending warranty to 3 years says enough. That was not being nice, they would get sued badly if they didn't take action.

Also the people who bought one in the first 2 years are to be considered hardcore gamers who buy alot of games and are not going to throw those away once their xbox breaks outside of warranty. I think they would buy an updated version like the elite or slim (like I did) instead of having it repaired for $80. It was my 3rd rrod so I kinda lost faith that MS can repair it for good.

So yeah, I think its more than reasonable to assume there are 5 million owners with 2 or more 360's.

the 360 has more sold they have a larger install base thats the way i see it

the software attach rate (which is more important than hardware sales) on the 360 would suggest that the 360 still has the largest install base,unless a rediculous amount of people bought the Ps3 purely as a blu-ray player,but i can't see it as stand alone BR players have been cheaper than the Ps3 for some time, and the 360 has the highest sales in the two largest gaming region on the planet (US and UK), there have bben so many different figures thrown out about the 360's failure rate that none of them can be trusted, and most people are not as stupid as you think, they would have used there 3 year warranty,and replacements are not classed as sales by MS, plus you would have to factor in YLOD and blu-ray drive failure rebuys for the Ps3 ,although the Ps3 has a lower failure rate, you are more likely to have to re-buy a Ps3 as it is only covered for 1 year, there are far too many factors and variables in play for anybody to accurately come to a conclusion on this matter, so it's a moot point and not worth even debating really. as far as SW is concerned, the 360 still has the higher install base.delta3074

Take another look at the software attach ratres. you will see they're not that far appart. read this. http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-software-sales-outstrip-xbox-360s-ps3-attach-rate-up-to-8-1-3807/. Ms has a little higher attach rate but its less than 1 game a person now, even with a years head start. And according to that site sony sold more software in FY 2009.

And the UK is far from one of the largest gaming regions. Japan is way bigger (more than twice the population and way more gamers there), as is the rest of europe, where sony is winning. They didn't close the gap by 4 million in a year by nothing. Just face reality that they're catching up fast.

the software attach rate (which is more important than hardware sales) on the 360 would suggest that the 360 still has the largest install base,unless a rediculous amount of people bought the Ps3 purely as a blu-ray player,but i can't see it as stand alone BR players have been cheaper than the Ps3 for some time, and the 360 has the highest sales in the two largest gaming region on the planet (US and UK), there have bben so many different figures thrown out about the 360's failure rate that none of them can be trusted, and most people are not as stupid as you think, they would have used there 3 year warranty,and replacements are not classed as sales by MS, plus you would have to factor in YLOD and blu-ray drive failure rebuys for the Ps3 ,although the Ps3 has a lower failure rate, you are more likely to have to re-buy a Ps3 as it is only covered for 1 year, there are far too many factors and variables in play for anybody to accurately come to a conclusion on this matter, so it's a moot point and not worth even debating really. as far as SW is concerned, the 360 still has the higher install base.delta3074