Has there ever been a case of reversal of fortunes this comprehensively devastating in System Wars history?

Think about what I am about to say. Every single console multiplat in existence will now run better on the Xbox One X than on any other console, patch or not.

Think about all of those resolution threads the cows made with the PS4 version running at a higher res and having steadier performance. All of that will be reversed on November 7th.

All of the pwnage to Xbox fans with their games running worse than Playstation, now it gets reversed because the Xbox One X version will run the best patch or not.

Everything is backwards now, Playstation consoles are now the sluggish compromised experiences.

All anyone has to do is buy an X1X and TCHBO!!!

It's the ultimate console.

I still got my OG PS4 for when God of War and Last of Us 2 comes out, until then... I'll be gaming real freaking nice.

Power doesn't matter to lems?

the most important question is>

Will MS take over current gen 8 console leader KING from SONY??

Even the load times have been dramatically improved. Just in case you didn't think all of the other dramatic improvements made enough of a difference.

Most definitely in the land of dreams. :)

Yeah apparently GTA V doesn't take a decade to load anymore

@Xplode_games: Lol. Your threads just turn into cow circle-jerking...

This happens every generation.

@hrt_rulz01: its the clickbait title

It sends cows into a frenzy

Reversing multiplat superiority retroactively has never happened in the console space until it happens when November 7th hits.

The greatest reversal was when the PS3 with cell architecture was stomped by the 360 over and over again

@Xplode_games: people already have their x1x consoles. So saying it will happen on nov 7 is inaccurate! Lol

Jokes on me, before I opened the thread I thought it was gonna be about how far of a fall MS had from 360 to the one compared to Nintendo's Wii u to Switch success.

There's a reversal every time a new powerful console releases.

All SW's aside, that is the part that really made me go..wtf..the install times...I still dont understand on why that happened with Xbox One. I put a disk in the Ps4 and in a matter of seconds I can play.

In any event, I need a 4K TV first and my coworker my sell me his 2 year old 55" for $500. He wanted an OLED so he got a new one. Once I get TV, then I'll get X. No reason to right now with my 2 year old 60" 1080p Samsung.

Has there ever been a case of reversal of fortunes this comprehensively devastating in System Wars history?

uh, PS3 losing to 360 after the PS2 era, and then managing to turn it around by the end of the gen to equal 360 sales? Both of them getting outsold by a waggle controller with a bowling game? MS shitting the bed with the X1? Nintendo coming off the WiiU to release a well received hybrid console that is selling well and has two GOTY/GOAT caliber games in the same year?

In power yes indeed but in sales over PS4, that's not gonna happen.

The real question is do you think Switch will end up overtaking X1?

The average consumer isn’t gonna rush out and buy another 500 dollar Xbox especially when most already own an Xbox one, PS4 or both. Lol the original xbox one couldn’t even move unIts at 500 dollars it dropped by spring 2014.

@drlostrib: If Nintendo Switch continues to release more exclusive games into 2018, it might very well possibly overtake X1X.

This power obsession and nitpicking this gen has gotten so old.

@Xplode_games: "Every single console multiplat in existence will now run better on the Xbox One X than on any other console, patch or not."

:nope

According to another SW thread Digital Foundry claims that Wolfenstein II runs @1440p on the Pro, 1080 on standard PS4 and 810p on XBone. What's worse, on a recent article on GS there are three groups of X enhanced games, "available now" , "coming soon" and "in development" and Wolfenstein II (which I bought in a green case specifically to showcase on my X) is in the last group.

Now, according to you, that's good for me because 810p and lower FPS is the superior version somehow? I hope I don't regret not having bought it in a blue case but "in development" doesn't sound promising for Nov 7 and my still in the box CE of Wolfie II is glaring at me from my shelf and mocking me for making the wrong choice.

Lucky for me I have all three systems so Mario Odyssey can pick up some slack but if this trend continues my X will possibly mirror the legacy of my LaunchBone in only getting exclusives and otherwise gathering dust. Preparing for the X I have now acquired three multiplats in green cases. South Park tFBW, COD WW2 and Wolfenstein II. Seems at least one of those was a poor choice, so going forward I will be making more informed multiplat purchases- lesson learned I guess cuz personally I'll take checkerboard 4K over 810p every time.

Dang, that would be extremely embarrassing for lems. This gen has already been a disaster for them, Switch overtaking them would probably lead to them going extinct. The humiliation would be too much.

@drlostrib: How is the ps3, which came out a year later, higher price by far, and zero hype for it yet still selling more consoles in the end a loss?

If power is what mattered we would all just game on PC's. If games are what mattered Xbox would be the last choice for most. Nintendo, Playstation and the PC all have good reasons for existing. Xbone, wether it be an S or X, continues to struggle to justify its existence this gen. I do own an Xbone S though and I don't dislike it. Still, it hasn't given me enough value and Microsofts bad attitude towards single player games worries me. It seems delusional to me to consider this gen anything but a write off for them at the moment. It's nice that they are finally getting the hardware to a respectable level though.

I think the launch of PS5/XB2 will be a bigger one. People were so negative about the Switch launch year. Hardly any games. One of the worst launches ever. Weak, people said. I kept telling them this looked like one of the strongest launch years for any console/handheld ever. I kept comparing it to other platforms. But nope, SW and the media had made up their mind, almost without exception, that the Switch launch looked weak, that it would suck. Despite knowing about the heavy Nintendo hitters coming out this year. Despite both the PS4/XB1 launches sucking way harder. Of course now that they've been proven wrong they focus on uhm, next year...

So I'm looking forward to all the suck threads and negative media coverage made for the XB2/PS5 launch lineups. Cause I think they're not even going to come close to what the Switch has. We're going to dig up some old threads when that happens.

This place is really depressing.....

So why do you continue to torture yourself by posting here year after year. You don't have to do this to yourself.

Nothing has changed. It's always devastating for peasants...

You know, i tried to think of a witty response to that.................but i just cant.

I honestly dont know lol

Stockholm Syndrome?

@BassMan said:

Nothing has changed. It's always devastating for peasants...

Gameplay is the most important thing. But given that both PS4 and Xbone both have good gameplay they then have to argue about graphics to decide who is best. Then PC cheesy looking guy reminds them that the PC has the best graphics, as that's all that PC's are really about, and as it turns out the PC guys don't even actually play their games but just brag about how they run on their beastly rigs that are meant for overcompensating for other shortcomings. Then the console players remind the PC guy that gameplay is the main thing. This goes right over his head. Do I have the cartoon understood correctly?

Then in a couple of years Sony will release a new console and be on top, then a couple years after that M$ will release a new console and the cycle continues.

@mark1974: Nope. Peasants only like to talk graphics and specs when it is convenient for them. As soon as they get owned by the PCMR, they try to hide behind gameplay. Meanwhile, PCMR gloriously does everything better and the peasants get angry and lower their heads in shame.

There's always a comback factor in SW lol. Some revenge stories just take longer to play out.

I love how Lems never mention exclusive games in their threads about X........They always talk about 3rd party........It's almost as if that's all they have.....lmao

But Sony has released 3 consoles also

@scatteh316: it's almost as multiplats make up the majority of the library on both platforms

Has there ever been a longer thread title in system wars history? I'm asking the important questions here.

You mean the greatest reversal was when Sony fucked up with PS3 and made X360 look better than it should and even with that X360 couldnt decisively win ? While Sony at the same time was under an epic financial mess ?

If MS couldnt win with X360 a super problematic, expensive product like PS3 when Sony was at the worst possible situation as a company .. you can tell the difference between Xbox and PS brand and if MS couldnt win PS3 then , there wont be any other chance, not one in a million.

You had your chance lems last generation and didnt work. Now its too late. GL next gen.

Because previous gens didn't have "pro" devices?

Besides the Nintendo DS/3DS handhelds....

The gap is just small, it really is.

So you think now that a £450 console is going to outsell a £350 console that is NEARLY on par but has more games? and is doing better in every country other than USA?

What have you won?

If you want fast loading times and best performance/graphics of multiplats, its PC.

The bigger likely reversal will be Nintendo Switch outselling and having many more quality exclusives than the Xbox Brand... can't wait to enjoy that laugh.

Not really because PC also has pretty fantastic games and unarguably the best graphics.

@mark1974 said:

@BassMan said:

Nothing has changed. It's always devastating for peasants...

Gameplay is the most important thing. But given that both PS4 and Xbone both have good gameplay they then have to argue about graphics to decide who is best. Then PC cheesy looking guy reminds them that the PC has the best graphics, as that's all that PC's are really about, and as it turns out the PC guys don't even actually play their games but just brag about how they run on their beastly rigs that are meant for overcompensating for other shortcomings. Then the console players remind the PC guy that gameplay is the main thing. This goes right over his head. Do I have the cartoon understood correctly?

Do you really believe any of that? or does it just make you feel better?

Was gonna say that, but couldn't bring myself to take sides with someone who says shit like PCMR unironically lol.

But yeah, PC having the best graphics is just a nice bonus. Way down the list of what makes PC gaming awesome.

I find it funny that after years of pixel counting, Cows no longer have the most powerful console. They now have less GDDR5 RAM, and will lose every Digital Foundry comparison for years to come. It’s like karma came to kick them right in the coin purse.

But the craziest part of it all, is the Lems claiming superiority in 2017, when their team will finish in 3rd place in sales... 3rd place... And they’ve finished in 4th place twice in the monthly NPD charts. 4th in their home territory. The shit is comical at this point. But yes Lems, you’re the “master race” now. ?

what?

This is the first time we've had mid gen upgrades, so the answer is no, this has never happened before.

I don't know if I'd call it a reversal of "fortunes" yet. It's a reversal of power differential, to be sure. How well it restores the market share the 360 had is still very much an open question.

Having said that boring stuff, though, I do personally think it will sell very well.

This PCMR meme got old ages ago. It was funny when it came out but then some people really started taking it seriously.