Has there EVER been a system with hardware as bad as the 360?

i got 2 32x's before i got one that worked the day they released. also, during the dreamcast launch. i had a defective sonic adventure, hydrothunder, and went through 2 ready to rumbles. the point being ive had just as much trouble with defective games.

on a side note ive had 2 RROD's.

i got 2 32x's before i got one that worked the day they released. also, during the dreamcast launch. i had a defective sonic adventure, hydrothunder, and went through 2 ready to rumbles. the point being ive had just as much trouble with defective games.

on a side note ive had 2 RROD's.

prodiqy32

My buddy went through an entire stack of Dreamcast games, I guess alot of the first shipments were defective. He kept going back to Wal-Mart and exchanging his games until finally one day they worked.

PS1 & PS2, although playstations would break right when the warranty expired...TerroRizing

...and they never extended the warranties. You were simply out of luck at that point.

PS1 & PS2, although playstations would break right when the warranty expired...TerroRizing

Thats weird, 360s seem to be broken out of the box.

[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]PS1 & PS2, although playstations would break right when the warranty expired...standarddamage

...and they never extended the warranties. You were simply out of luck at that point.

But, admittedly, the problems were not as bad as the 360.

No. I can't think of a single piece of mass-market consumer electronics with quality control issues comparable to the Xbox 360 that hasn't had a major recall.

And whoever said PC can step right back down, because while PC components have a higher failure rate than most consoles, they don't even come close to the 360. It's had reputable estimates putting it at close to a 16% fail rate - even if the actual fail rate is only half that, around 8% or so, it blows everything else out of the water.

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[QUOTE="TerroRizing"]PS1 & PS2, although playstations would break right when the warranty expired...thrones

...and they never extended the warranties. You were simply out of luck at that point.

But, admittedly, the problems were not as bad as the 360.

I can't be sure on that one. I personally knew a good deal of people with PS2s that died in the first 18 months, myself included, but I was never able to find an official count. Just like Microsoft is doing now, Sony wouldn't release the truth. We'll never really know for sure.

in the end people have got to drop the bias and realise the 360 problems are not nearly as wide spread or bad as fanboys want you to believe.

I have 2 360s pro launch and elite and neither have failed, I have an wii *it has failed a few times but came back to life for me* and i have an ps3 and its never failed once.

I've had 5 ps2 since launch one had bad DRE regardless of what i did *used disc cleaner indorced by an sony tech, used the lil screw half turn thing in the lense assembly...ect* at no time would sony take the systems this was in the early days, Eventually id just take the system back to the store and get another, upon my 3rd i finally got sony to take it and fix it and it came back working, then the lense assmbly died completely *one of those bad laser assemblies of which i do believe sony had like 500,000 in recall one year*

My 5th slim ps2 works fine and has for about year and a half.
Ps1....problems cant read disc...ect I went through 3 of them.

Gamecube never had a problem once it worked and worked infact...still does...long after i took the case apart and forgot the case screws it purrs without a case.

Snes never a problem sept a dirty connector which was easy to clean with a nail file, NES? same thing cleand with nail file, genesis? never a problem, Dreamcast? never a problem, Saturn? my first one failed and got a replacement from sega.

Problems occure and really the supposed 1-3% failure rates are all speculation and thats a fact many people have problems with systems throughout the years, not every one has a problem and some do, its the same for all the systems.

P.S: but i do say the ps2 and ps1 we're the ones that failed the most on me, but once i got to the slim line revision every thing was fine...but it makes you suspicious because ps1 and ps2 systems have had like 10 revisions each....

I'm not fighting this battle again with all the DRE naysayers, but the ps2 problem was worse to this consumer anyway.

My launch 360 had to be fixed once, I had to repurchase 2 new ps2s.

My PS2 broke twice, the first time it was the disc tray (wouldn't read and made a horrific grinding sound.) And the second time, when they sent it back, the port for the second controller was broken, and that one did the same thing as my last ps2 four months later.Abigorus

[QUOTE="Abigorus"]My PS2 broke twice, the first time it was the disc tray (wouldn't read and made a horrific grinding sound.) And the second time, when they sent it back, the port for the second controller was broken, and that one did the same thing as my last ps2 four months later.GARRYTH

Yeah, PS2 DRE wasn't a major design flaw. Just some shoddy engineering in the early consoles. The Slim virtually wiped this problem out, along with the later PS2s. Of course, it was around this time in the PS2's lifecycle that DRE went away for the most part with newer consoles, the question is will Microsoft get rid of RROD..among other problems, to be honest. I've had a DRE for my 360 and the cheap ba...chaps at Microsoft doesn't cover this in the extended warranty and I had to pay for it to be repaired.

[QUOTE="Abigorus"]My PS2 broke twice, the first time it was the disc tray (wouldn't read and made a horrific grinding sound.) And the second time, when they sent it back, the port for the second controller was broken, and that one did the same thing as my last ps2 four months later.GARRYTH

I only used one controller, the second port was rarely used. This was before the slim, I always take good care of my things. My PS1 had no issues, my PS2 had plenty. So far my 360 Elite has NONE.

pcmingo123

i built a PC with all top of the line parts. quad core precessor, 2 8800s, powerful cooling 2 GB ram, andeverything in it ran perfectly for about a month, now it just shuts itself down. i'm writing this on my 3 year old macbook

As far as the dreaded RROD is concerned, NO.

Even the Jaguar, 3DO, 32x, despite having some of the worst library (or lack there of), were very functional consoles. As far as I know.

REALTY is, 360 is the worst design ever (me being an Xbox fan). It's program friendly and flexible, BUT.....horrifically designed.

Well I think you can't get an honest answer here, because the cow fanboys are a little well, better not say it, actually I think everything a fanboy says is absolutely stupid. I don't see why people get worked up over consoles, sheesh, must live a sad life I guess.

But anyhoo, I went through 3 ps2's, and on my original 360, so take it what u want, both machines are still great, heck cars break down so why does anyone care?

also the sad thing is about 90% of those ps 2 failures could have been fixed by taking two things off the ps 2. disc read error was due to the laser track thing being dirty. it took me ten mins to fix my ps 2. only if sony jump the gun and got that info out before every one bought a 2nd one.GARRYTH

I agree. The DRE was a simple fix for me. Remove the six screws on the underside of the PS2, open that puppy up, remove any dust with compressed air and clean the laser-eye with IPA and a Q-tip. All my DRE problems stopped after I gathered balls to open it myself. I sure tons of people assumed their PS2 was broke instead of actually doing something for themselves!

[QUOTE="GARRYTH"]also the sad thing is about 90% of those ps 2 failures could have been fixed by taking two things off the ps 2. disc read error was due to the laser track thing being dirty. it took me ten mins to fix my ps 2. only if sony jump the gun and got that info out before every one bought a 2nd one.gdp72

I agree. The DRE was a simple fix for me. Remove the six screws on the underside of the PS2, open that puppy up, remove any dust with compressed air and clean the laser-eye with IPA and a Q-tip. All my DRE problems stopped after I gathered balls to open it myself. I sure tons of people assumed their PS2 was broke instead of actually doing something for themselves!

You can fix a rrod xbox 360 pretty easily as well. You need some screws, nylon washers, and Artic Silver thermal compound.

Yes the ps2.. but sony fixed it.......... and microsoft didnt LoLbig_boss4life

sony never really fixed it, they fixed one problem and created another.

I just have to step in here for a sec....Yes the 360 has a RROD issue, but let us not forget about the world famous PS1, a system that SONY to this very day never admitted having laser issues. It was so bad that poeple had to ACTUALLY flip the system upside down in order to get the CDs to read. Don't tell me you guys don't remember that cuz it was running rampant round these parts. Hell I even walked into a Funcoland where the display PS1 was sitting upsidedown. No joke. So take that as you will, the the 360 does have RROD issues YES, but at least M$ addressed the issue with an extended warranty. What did Sony do again? sinseers

the laser was ok, but the plastic that kept the disc in place would melt and deform a bit.

Yes, PC easilly has the worst hardware

I have two PCs explode due to power supply failure, 3 PC's burned their motherboards, etc

360 is loud, that is all there is to it, if it was not loud, would be the best console hardware around

sony never really fixed it, they fixed one problem and created another.

TerroRizing

What was the new problem they created? I did finally kill my PS2 "fat version" after it took a digger on a hardwood floor twice in one day from about 3.5 feet up, thanks to my daughter tripping over the corded remote twice. The first hard drop it still worked. The second drop was all she wrote. I went out and bought the PS2 "slim" and had zero problems for many years.

360 is loud, that is all there is to it, if it was not loud, would be the best console hardware around

saolin323

:lol::lol::lol:Me laughing at you for thinking the only problem the 360 has is being loud!

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360 is loud, that is all there is to it, if it was not loud, would be the best console hardware around

gdp72

:lol::lol::lol:Me laughing at you for thinking the only problem the 360 has is being loud!

At least that is the ONLY problem i had with it, it is the ONLY console i have that never got stuck, PS3 got stuck the very first day i bought it !!! I was trying to exit Motorstorm, and did not press the quit game menu, just ejected the disk, that was it, a 100% frozen machine

360 is PERFECT, but the loud drive, that is a LOUD drive, what were they thinking ?

No. It should've been on the recall list.Cute_Red_Panda

MS would not want to do that, because they would have to pay a lot of money.

Yes, PC easilly has the worst hardware

I have two PCs explode due to power supply failure, 3 PC's burned their motherboards, etc

360 is loud, that is all there is to it, if it was not loud, would be the best console hardware around

saolin323

If you know how to buy good parts, and you take good care of your PC. The PC skyrockets all the way up to the most reliable form of gaming.

No, and anyone who says PS1 or PS2 should be banned for being a moron.Zerostatic0

nice counter-agrument...you should go into politics

That being said...the Ps2 had an uncanny ablility to die AFTER the warranty was up...I ended up buying 3 before the generation was done.

At least that is the ONLY problem i had with it, it is the ONLY console i have that never got stuck, PS3 got stuck the very first day i bought it !!! I was trying to exit Motorstorm, and did not press the quit game menu, just ejected the disk, that was it, a 100% frozen machine

360 is PERFECT, but the loud drive, that is a LOUD drive, what were they thinking ?

saolin323

So you ejected the disc while the game was frozen instead of pressing and holding the pressure sensitive power-switch until it beeps at you several times and then shuts down? Sounds like you ultimately caused it to be permanently frozen instead of following the standard procedure for when the PS3 does occasionally freezes up! I've had my PS3 freeze also, mostly while playing that crappy game Assassin's Creed but as long as I did what I mentioned, my PS3 still works fine and I haven't had any freezing issues since I got rid of AC!

As far as your statement in bold, tell that to the millions who have suffered through the plague that is RRoD.