Have Epic fallen out with MS that badly?

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/epics-new-game-paragon-launches-first-online-tests/1100-6432901/

Paragon is now announced for PlayStation 4 but still nothing for Xbox One. Yeah it's a third person Moba but it's looking rather good.

Have Epic fallen so far out of love with MS or is this a case of the Xbox One being too weak for them and Unreal Engine

(freebee for the Sony gang, sorry Xbox fans)

This will not be the next Gears.

We don't know by now, maybe Epic just went with the dominant console for the debut.

Quite sure, it'll end up on the bone as well.

Who cares. They were never good. Gears is the worst major franchise on Xbox.

Excuse me!

As an Xbox fan...Gears never resonated with me the same way Halo did. I played through 1 and 2 split screen coop with my bro but when the 3rd came out, I forcefully rented it and we couldn't give 2 shits to continue playing after about 30 minutes. I hate the characters, and I hate the way they're designed.

Fair enough.

Epic goes where the best graphics and money can be achieved, they are graphcs whores through and through

I don't know, but EPIC looks as though they're returning to form. UT, Shadow Complex Remastered, and this looks pretty good.

I also specifically remember Cliffy B and how jealous he was about the success of Halo. He legit talked a lot of shit about the franchise throughout the years and tried hard to make his Unreal series relevant with Unreal Championship 1 and 2 on the original Xbox. He came close with Gears though but still couldn't kill the beast. Ultimately, Halo killed itself.

It's because the Xbox One is the dookie. The poo. Smelly stink farts out of the butt. And only the PS4 is powerful enough to handle the Unreal engine things and blurghityblop. Blurgablurga blurgity blagh. Blorgblurgh blurged blu blurgah Xbox, hahaha!

This should count as a pro for the xbox. Some of the worst games I've ever played are from Epic.

I thought MOBAs are not games, according to some consolites.

We also know a lot of them are massive hypocrites as well. ;)

I wonder if a certain super cow will make a graphics king thread for it?

Comic Sans? How? Are you Satan?

Some of the best ever are also from Epic so...

Let me try...

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I has failed. How do I turn the editor off?

I mean, the game just got announced at PS event. There's a bit of an imperative to push the PS brand as a consequence. I have zero doubt this game is going to be multiplatform but Paragon is still way off in the distance that they don't have to be concerned about going over every aspect of their game. It more appears to me that they're putting themselves on display to see who will give them some marketing kickback love.

Read the article mate, it was announced for PC over a month ago. Could be that Sony threw some cash at them to get it on PS4 though.

@GarGx1: Neither. You are searching for a common fanboy ownage thing and ignoring a simple piece of business: The PS4 has at least twice potential buyers. You want it to be about power or past relationship but in reality its probably about numbers.

epic won't be epic without cliffy B. i'm more interested in his new game then this

I'm as far away as you can get from the PS4 v Xbox One ownage thing. In fact I'm more often accused of being a 'lemming hiding behind the PC' than anything else.

The likelihood is that it is about money, like I said in my last post, Sony could have thrown some cash Epic's way. If it was about sales numbers though it would be full multi-plat, well perhaps barring the Wii U but it would be on Xbox One as well as PC and PS4.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, NOONE likes working with MS and their restrictive draconian policies.

Little known to some system warriors but Epic had a big falling out with MS because MS wanted to FORCE Epic to charge for their Gears DLC and Epics policy was to give away maps for free.

MS said they wanted all gamers to get used to paying a premium for all content in games. Epic had to follow suit because the franchise belonged to MS but it wasn't without some backlash.

Gears Map Pack: Disagreement Between Microsoft and Epic

"VP Mark Rein has gone on record to say that you'll have to dish out some Microsoft Points to get future content. The reason for this mainly is because of an internal power struggle between Microsoft and Epic about pricing the maps. Mark Rein via a forum post on Evil Avatar clarified that, "Epic thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to give the maps away for free and Microsoft thinks the way to maximize the return on Gears of War is to sell the maps. The dispute concluded, with Epic and Microsoft agreeing to make the map pack cost a fair price for the first three months, then afterwards becoming free. Everyone wins in the end, except the hardcore Gears players. Sorry guys!"

http://www.gamezone.com/originals/gears-map-pack-disagreement-between-microsoft-and-epic

MS is so anti-gamer, anti-consumer, restrictive and draconian with their policies that if any dev has their way, they'd just steer clear of working with the MS all together. This gen really shows that devs don't like doing business with MS.

Disputes like the above are not limited to Epic when it comes working with MS, but they are one of the few that openly went on record to speak about it.

Excuse me...it was just recently "unveiled" at a PS event.

Many Bothans died to bring us this information.............

The game was announced as PC Exclusive, only now they've announced it for PS4, which means Sony approached them first after hearing that they are working on a new PC game, and asked them to do PS4 port as well. Sad to see those amazing character models and cutting edge visuals being wasted on a MOBA though.

Yes, they've fallen out of money.

Cliffy B is in bed with Nexon, one of the most greediest companies around. Won't be surprised if LawBreakers is a pay to win game. Meanwhile Unreal Tournament is 100% free and looking great so far. I'm also glad to see that Overwatch is a buy to play product. It's a breath of fresh air.

Same here, but Gears is far from being "the worst major franchise on Xbox".

Thank god for that. Gears blows.

@rektmuhface: Well, what do you expect? Halo was a blatant rip-off of his Unreal Tournament games lol

Probably on Xbox one too, so it doesn't really matter

Some bold statements. You sure you played Gears of War ?

Microsoft are not known for retaining talent and making friends.

Remember what happened with Freelancer devs, that was such a shame. I still am sad about that.

Wonder what's behind the Epic MS spit, I mean they had to be making money out of it.

This is a guy who loves Halo 5 so much, he even hates Gears of War? He's a fakeboy.

That the fact Jack, Gears of War 4 will be the next and Greatest Gears and Only on X1 baby. lol :P

Epic never did anything out of the ordinary- in recent memory- other than Gears 1 (and to an extent 3) anyway, so I don't really give a damn

This thread would have been worth a damn if the game wasn't a shitty MOBA. The genre needs to be doused in oil and set alight.

I think it's looks quite good and that's coming from someone who has never played Lol or DoTA.

@rektmuhface: LOL

pretty sure it has more to do with Sony having a bigger base and them probably throwing money at it for their recent conference than anything else. I really doubt its how underpowered X1 is considering Fable Legends uses the Unreal 4 engine and so will Everspace. It'll probably come to Xbox eventually as well unless Sony buys a console exclusivity deal.

Just wondering why is there so much MOBA hate in this thread? I'm not a huge DOTA or LoL player but its hard to argue about them being decent games. I get the moba genre gets oversaturated with bad games but theres bad games in every genre the same way. Bad shooters, bad rpgs, bad retro games

They're probably going to allow cross play for PS4 and PC and you know that MS doesn't allow that on Xbox.

A briefcase could fix this falling out.

microsoft does have smite which is very successful and they have fable legends in beta(although not a moba)

could still end up on the xboxone so lets not all of a sudden get excited for a moba

Shadow Complex was last good IP from Epic. People Can Fly, for a time known as Epic Games Poland is an independent game developer once again. So we might see Bulletstorm 2, they developed Fortnite with Epic Games. Overall both Crytek and Epic are dead, they are following F2P model.Crytek is making weird announcements. But nothing impresses me.

Let's see how this tuns out.F2P can be good if it's done right.

The Coalition - Gears of War 4 developer. :D

Its a MOBA, who cares...

It's gorgeous but it's still a moba, so eww.