Heavy Rain did what U2 couldn't do, sales related !!!!!!!

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#1 2mrw
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http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/01/uk-charts-heavy-rain-reaches-number-1/#more-82859

i am impressed, according to the link, HR charted no. 1 at the UK market which made it the first Sony game that charts no. after KZ2 a year go, the game most probably won't have half the sales U2 will have on the long term, but it's a good thing to see such a unique new IP get such sales especially when many predicted a flop.

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even though I never care about sales, its nice to know that Heavy Rain is doing good in sales, this game deserves it, such a masterpiece, Im now actually officially heavy rain fanboy
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Too bad I still haven't get this game yet, damn games coming out all at once !
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That's good, more sales mean better hopes for a new IP

and a better production values.

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Good to hear that it is having success. I need to borrow this game from one of my friends.

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I think it is because of the story of the game. Some people that don't play videogames that I know want to at least see it. Even, a friend is willingly to give me the money so I could buy it and let him play it in my ps3.
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#7 DropTarget
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That is nice. Too bad I can't play either of them right now.

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deserves it, is such a great game
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#9 50u1r34v3r
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Good to hear it's doing well.

I'm finally buying a PS3 this week. I loved Indigo Prophecy / Fahrenheitso I refuse to go without HR:P

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Good to hear that it is having success. I need to borrow this game from one of my friends.

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borrow, why borrowing???? the game is great, go buy it now if you have the money, i swear i will if i have the money.
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Dam i wish i had the money :(
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lol vgchartz.... Oh, sorry. Wait, Heavy Rain is #1?! Wow, I thought it was supposed to be niche adventure game. I'm surprised it has so much mass appeal.
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#13 KittyKat
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[QUOTE="psn8214"]

Good to hear that it is having success. I need to borrow this game from one of my friends.

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borrow, why borrowing???? the game is great, go buy it now if you have the money, i swear i will if i have the money.

Yes, i bought it to support the Dev. I hope they make more titles along this line.
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Great game that deserve the sales!
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#15 mirriorman
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thats nice

how much were they selling it for?

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#16 2mrw
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vghartz says the game sold around 500 k in its first week.

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Madison Paige is also basically Chloe Frazer.
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#18 KittenWishes
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Whats #1 these days for Feb UK charts? 15 000? lol
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Madison Paige is also basically Chloe Frazer.juden41
Lol, no
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That's pretty cool, good for the dev.
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#21 shinrabanshou
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Whats #1 these days for Feb UK charts? 15 000? lolKittenWishes
Yes, it's 15k. The second biggest single country gaming market can only manage 15k units for its no. 1 game, while Heavy Rain at no. 6 in JPN the third biggest market managed 27k.

Mass Effect 2 only sold 15k it's first week and then 5k in its second, then continued to drop, so it probably only sold like 25k in the UK since it released.

:roll:

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#22 SaltyMeatballs
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Awww, Sonic and SEGA Racing is too low. That game is awesome. Heavy Rain had good advertising, unlike Uncharted 2 which was basically using Uncharted 2 to advertise PS3 (if that makes sense).
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#23 Silent-Hal
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What happened to all those people saying it would be a sales flop :lol: ? Good games get good sales, nothing else to it.

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#24 locopatho
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What happened to all those people saying it would be a sales flop :lol: ? Good games get good sales, nothing else to it.

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#25 shinrabanshou
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Well we still need to see how the game did on the other side of the pond.

The US market might have different taste from its UK cousin. It did have Bioshock 2, AvP and Dante's Inferno to compete with for the month of Feb, and was only released for about 5 or so days for the tracked period for Feb for NPD I think, so I'm keeping my expectations low and hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

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#26 Silent-Hal
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[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"]

What happened to all those people saying it would be a sales flop :lol: ? Good games get good sales, nothing else to it.

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Well... it doesn't happen EVERY time, of course. Can't blame consumers for having a brain fart every now and then :P.
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A refreshing idea deserves some love. Props to the devs and the game :)
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It is unfortunate for the developers that I couldn't care less about either game, or the fact they are selling well. Both games don't strike me as the kind of game that "need" to sell well in order to benefit the industry. I don't doubt both their budgets were incredibly high and their doing well will only further the issue of drastically increasing budgets.

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It is unfortunate for the developers that I couldn't care less about either game, or the fact they are selling well. Both games don't strike me as the kind of game that "need" to sell well in order to benefit the industry. I don't doubt both their budgets were incredibly high and their doing well will only further the issue of drastically increasing budgets.

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Incredibly high development costs these days is more along the lines of the $50-100 million of games like MW2 or GT5 or GTAIV.

U2 had a $20 million budget iirc and HR is rumoured about $20 something million, which are rather par for the course budgets for current gen games, I believe.

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#30 -Snooze-
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It's been getting a ton of advertisements in the UK, i'm glad they paid of.

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Too bad I still haven't get this game yet, damn games coming out all at once ! glenn2709
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="psn8214"]

Good to hear that it is having success. I need to borrow this game from one of my friends.

KittyKat
borrow, why borrowing???? the game is great, go buy it now if you have the money, i swear i will if i have the money.

Yes, i bought it to support the Dev. I hope they make more titles along this line.

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it really bugs me when people say this. Now answer me this please KittyKat and 2mrw: would you rather lend a game of a friend and complete it, or buy a multi-million dollar game just to "support" a company? I find that absolutely ridiculous, especially in these tough times.
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Incredibly high development costs these days is more along the lines of the $50-100 million of games like MW2 or GT5 or GTAIV.

U2 had a $20 million budget iirc and HR is rumoured about $20 something million, which are rather par for the course budgets for current gen games, I believe.

shinrabanshou


$20 million is an extraordinary amount of money... even in today's industry where some games are beginning to cost upwards of $100 million. By "low" budget, I'm talking under $1 million. Games like Sins of a Solar Empire and other games that are purposefully designed around a low budget.

The constant increase of the "mean budget" of the industry is only going to hurt it in the long run. Look at how many developers have been forced to close due to high development costs and the expectations of the gamers for games with high budgets and full voice acting.

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It's been getting a ton of advertisements in the UK, i'm glad they paid of.

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Incredibly high development costs these days is more along the lines of the $50-100 million of games like MW2 or GT5 or GTAIV.

U2 had a $20 million budget iirc and HR is rumoured about $20 something million, which are rather par for the course budgets for current gen games, I believe.

foxhound_fox


$20 million is an extraordinary amount of money... even in today's industry where some games are beginning to cost upwards of $100 million. By "low" budget, I'm talking under $1 million. Games like Sins of a Solar Empire and other games that are purposefully designed around a low budget.

The constant increase of the "mean budget" of the industry is only going to hurt it in the long run. Look at how many developers have been forced to close due to high development costs and the expectations of the gamers for games with high budgets and full voice acting.

I always thought that as retail games began to cost insane amounts smaller devs would switch to making downloadable games, along the lines of Braid, The Maw, etc. I know it's not ideal but it seems like a not terrible solution to a quite scary problem!

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Incredibly high development costs these days is more along the lines of the $50-100 million of games like MW2 or GT5 or GTAIV.

U2 had a $20 million budget iirc and HR is rumoured about $20 something million, which are rather par for the course budgets for current gen games, I believe.

foxhound_fox


$20 million is an extraordinary amount of money... even in today's industry where some games are beginning to cost upwards of $100 million. By "low" budget, I'm talking under $1 million. Games like Sins of a Solar Empire and other games that are purposefully designed around a low budget.

The constant increase of the "mean budget" of the industry is only going to hurt it in the long run. Look at how many developers have been forced to close due to high development costs and the expectations of the gamers for games with high budgets and full voice acting.

In this day and age I think you're being unrealistic to expect games to return to $1 million average budgets.

I mean FFXII, a last gen game, cost $50 million in development costs.

I don't think U2 or HR are bad for the industry as I don't think either had purposefully high development costs or free reign and unlimited leeway - you could make the case for something like GT5 of GTAIV maybe. HR was on time and on budget according to devs.

I agree with you on the point of higher budgets being bad for the industry - part of the reason I hope this gen lasts longer, so that devs can become more efficient, instead of having to move to new hardware.

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In this day and age I think you're being unrealistic to expect games to return to $1 million average budgets.shinrabanshou

Not really. The only reason budgets remain at the level they are is because gamers and the industry have come to expect certain "standards" when it comes to making a game. And those standards can always change, nothing is ever set in stone. Not to mention how many very successful and high quality games that have been released this generation that have cost very little and received quite a lot of critical praise. Braid in particular comes to mind. A game made basically by two guys (a programmer and artist) with a budget under $100K (I think it was between $40K and $50K), and it has sold hundreds of thousands of copies and been received as one of the best games of the generation (in its genre).

It just goes to show how little the budget actually means to a quality game. If gamers are willing to make sacrifices (especially with regards to visual fidelity and voice acting), budgets should easily be able to return to sub-million dollar regions. Ultimately, the big-budgets are going to kill that type of gaming... it is a self-destructive market, despite the quality of games it turns out. It cannot be sustained, and the sooner the industry realizes it, the better. I still love the big budget games, but we have to realize that they will most likely be very short lived... unless we want our game industry to turn into Hollywood and turn out sequels every year, and have them be basically the same thing for every iteration. Unfortunately, this has already started with Activision and games like Call of Duty and Guitar Hero.

All I'm trying to say is that the industry needs to evaluate the "importance" of giant budgets and figure out how to make a quality game on a limited budget... because it most definitely will come to bite them in the ass at one point or the other.

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[QUOTE="-Snooze-"]

It's been getting a ton of advertisements in the UK, i'm glad they paid of.

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[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Whats #1 these days for Feb UK charts? 15 000? lolshinrabanshou

Yes, it's 15k. The second biggest single country gaming market can only manage 15k units for its no. 1 game, while Heavy Rain at no. 6 in JPN the third biggest market managed 27k.

Mass Effect 2 only sold 15k it's first week and then 5k in its second, then continued to drop, so it probably only sold like 25k in the UK since it released.

:roll:

i thought japan was #2 biggest gaming country?

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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]Whats #1 these days for Feb UK charts? 15 000? lologvampire

Yes, it's 15k. The second biggest single country gaming market can only manage 15k units for its no. 1 game, while Heavy Rain at no. 6 in JPN the third biggest market managed 27k.

Mass Effect 2 only sold 15k it's first week and then 5k in its second, then continued to drop, so it probably only sold like 25k in the UK since it released.

:roll:

i thought japan was #2 biggest gaming country?

Nah, the UK overtook Japan in 2009. Although I think Japan is still close at third.

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Yes, it's 15k. The second biggest single country gaming market can only manage 15k units for its no. 1 game, while Heavy Rain at no. 6 in JPN the third biggest market managed 27k.

Mass Effect 2 only sold 15k it's first week and then 5k in its second, then continued to drop, so it probably only sold like 25k in the UK since it released.

:roll:

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i thought japan was #2 biggest gaming country?

Nah, the UK overtook Japan in 2009. Although I think Japan is still close at third.

ahhh. interesting...

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When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)
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Good for QD. I hope they do more of this (not HR, but this "genre") and do it exclusively on PS3. I feel it's usually better for smaller teams to stick to exclusives.

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When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)darthogre
that what GOW3 is for :D .
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)2mrw
that what GOW3 is for :D .

except that god of war is not a huge seller
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="darthogre"]When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)mtradr43
that what GOW3 is for :D .

except that god of war is not a huge seller

compared to the other ps3 exclusives, i would think it will outsell them.... although, i dont believe its a system seller, but i was proven wrong with MGS4... so we will see

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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="darthogre"]When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)mtradr43
that what GOW3 is for :D .

except that god of war is not a huge seller

i feel GOW3 will change that, the game style perfectly matches teh american taste, bloody action, i can't wait for it.
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Good to hear that it is having success. I need to borrow this game from one of my friends.

psn8214
Isn't that kind of hypocritical? This game is great! Go buy it.
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="2mrw"] that what GOW3 is for :D .2mrw
except that god of war is not a huge seller

i feel GOW3 will change that, the game style perfectly matches teh american taste, bloody action, i can't wait for it.

considering it is near identical to gow2 in playstyle and what not from what ive seen, i dont think that will help any. if basically the same game could only sell 3 million tops on the insanely huge ps2 install base, i doubt gow 3 ps3 will do much better. id say it will reach 3 million tops and thats about it.
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#50 danish-death
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="darthogre"]When the NPD numbers come out I'm expecting the numbers to look bad in terms of sales. Of course NPD is just for the US but from what I've been seeing in my stores it's not doing to well (not even the top renter). PS3 just does much better overseas........I can't believe sony has lost so many people in the US. It doesn't matter if they have been getting good titles lately, Sony still struggles compared to X360 (in the US)mtradr43
that what GOW3 is for :D .

except that god of war is not a huge seller

TBH GoW3 could become a mega-seller if it had a decent marketing. Just look at the most recent trailer (not the interview).