Hell ya, bro! Starship Troo--I mean, Helldivers 2! Woooo! Ya pumped, bro!?

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#1 mrbojangles25
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Nah I jest, in all seriousness Helldivers was one of my favorite "games no one else seemed to have played" in the last few years.

Not even a genre I really like that much, which is a good thing this game seems to be going the third-person shooter route.

Really excited if they take the feel and art direction and world of Helldivers and give it the Aliens: Fireteam Elite treatment in a sense.

Anyone else pumped

*chest bumps*

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Is this gonna be a 3rd person shooter and not a twin stick shooter? That‘s a make or break design choice for this title imo

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It looks bad, but a high budget Starship Troopers made by a developer that understands what made the movie so great, could be an awesome game. But just like a proper Terminator or a Robocop game, we will never ever get one of these. Depressing.

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#4  Edited By Ant_17
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Suprisingly I'm a bit hyped for it.

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#5 BassMan
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Hey everyone, check out our super original game called Helldivers 2....

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@BassMan said:

Hey everyone, check out our super original game called Helldivers 2....

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8 years after the first game dropped. I'm sure Arrowhead even openly stated where their main inspiration came from back then.

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#7  Edited By Litchie
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Bit dissapointed they're turning it into a third person shooter. I really like top down shooters, and they are not common.

That said, looking forward to seeing more.

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It does look a lot like that Starship troopers game. Eventhough the Starship troopers game is based on a movie I like, and is first person to boot... I'm still leaning towards Helldivers more.

I dunno something about that trailer made the shooting seem really fun.

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#9  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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Reporting for duty!! Helldivers is an amazing game. I've been playing the first one on and off since it launched. Big Arrowhead fan! Glad it's getting a sequel.

Just watched the trailer... Whoa! They left the iso view. I hope that pays off, I really like top down twin stick games. Helldivers is reeeeally hard too especially on upper difficulties. You don't go diving with friends who just run and fun. They get eaten first.

Also.... Friendly fire better be back!

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@palasta said:
@BassMan said:

Hey everyone, check out our super original game called Helldivers 2....

Loading Video...

8 years after the first game dropped. I'm sure Arrowhead even openly stated where their main inspiration came from back then.

This.... @BassMan must've not made it past the first level. :( or never found a good squad to run with.

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@mrbojangles25: looks kind of cool, but yeah that opening scene is horrible lol...really reminds me of starship troopers.

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@TheEroica said:
@palasta said:
@BassMan said:

Hey everyone, check out our super original game called Helldivers 2....

Loading Video...

8 years after the first game dropped. I'm sure Arrowhead even openly stated where their main inspiration came from back then.

This.... @BassMan must've not made it past the first level. :( or never found a good squad to run with.

My post is more of a joke as is the thread in general. Anyway, I never got around to playing through Helldivers. I think I played a demo of it or something back in the day. It is one of those games like Dead Nation, where it was put in the backlog but never became a priority to play.

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@TheEroica said:

Also.... Friendly fire better be back!

In the trailer is a tesla tower... zapping a helldiver (1:25). At the end i believe is a shredder missile exploding.

I wonder how all the weapons, strategems and vehicle combat translate from top down to 3rd person perspective. APC, Mechs... the bike... the saber etc. What about the gameplay against the other races, if there are any. The trailer gives the impression there will be only bugs to fight.

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@hardwenzen said:

It looks bad, but a high budget Starship Troopers made by a developer that understands what made the movie so great, could be an awesome game. But just like a proper Terminator or a Robocop game, we will never ever get one of these. Depressing.

I agree with your overall point, but a game doesn't need to be high-budget to be awesome.

Terminator: Resistance was a surprisingly good game despite it's overall "bargain bin" feeling, arguably being a more enjoyable game than many other titles in the same arena (Shadow Warrior, Hard Reset, and various "boomer shooters").

Likewise, Aliens: Fireteam Elite was a pretty small budget from what I've read and it is an excellent game and in the same vein as Helldivers 2.

@blaznwiipspman1 said:

@mrbojangles25: looks kind of cool, but yeah that opening scene is horrible lol...really reminds me of starship troopers.

Haha I loved it, so cheesy.

Half expected him to say "Would you like to know more?!"

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I fucking loooooooove, LOVE Starship Troopers in the modern context (that is, to be clear, satire).

The book was a fun read, but it was also a blatant piece of pro-war propaganda written by an author that was so pissed off that the US was reducing it's nuclear arms ambitions in the 1950's he felt compelled to write this book in less than a week.

The movie was almost NOTHING like the novel, and honestly? Thank god for that. One of the rare instances where the expanded universe of a thing is better than the source material. Because we got like 5+ movies out of it and, recently, some decent games.

Anyway, long story short: this is why I am excited for Helldivers 2, and enjoyed Helldivers 1 so much. The Starship Troopers inspiration.

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@BassMan: Yeah stumbled across Exterminators after Helldivers 2 haha, pretty excited for that.

Would be neat if they got some of the old cast involved to voice it. Lord knows all of them except NPH don't have much going on 😋

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Starship Troopers is the obvious Left4dead style game.

Extermination seems to be getting a decent reception on Steam, not gonna bite EA, lot that can do wrong and devs straight up being douchbags, but def keeping an eye on it.

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@BassMan: yeah it's Starship Troopers inspiration is without question, regardless I had heard this was coming but surprised they changed the gameplay design over the original game

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#18  Edited By hardwenzen
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@mrbojangles25: I want to see a high budget game from the three IP's i mentioned. I want a high budget, high effort with a lot of attention to detail. Don't care about indie level games, we've seen enough, they cannot deliver what i personally want to see from these IP's. I mean shit, Starship Troopers could be a live service game a la Destiny (but not shit), and it could be awesome forming groups and going to blow those bugs up. So much potential.

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@hardwenzen said:

@mrbojangles25: I want to see a high budget game from the three IP's i mentioned. I want a high budget, high effort with a lot of attention to detail. Don't care about indie level games, we've seen enough, they cannot deliver what i personally want to see from these IP's. I mean shit, Starship Troopers could be a live service game a la Destiny (but not shit), and it could be awesome forming groups and going to blow those bugs up. So much potential.

I see the appeal of both, but I just can't help but feel the overall camp and corny nature of these franchises would not benefit from A-list celebrity voice acting, huge bloated marketing budgets, and cutting-edge game engines.

I don't think "EA presents 'Robocop Looter-Shooter Extravaganza' by DICE starring Timothy Olyphant" is really where we need games to go these days.

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The first was a GOTY contender for me.

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@hardwenzen said:

@mrbojangles25: I want to see a high budget game from the three IP's i mentioned. I want a high budget, high effort with a lot of attention to detail. Don't care about indie level games, we've seen enough, they cannot deliver what i personally want to see from these IP's. I mean shit, Starship Troopers could be a live service game a la Destiny (but not shit), and it could be awesome forming groups and going to blow those bugs up. So much potential.

You're just jealous this game has more physics than your penor ring.

Helldivers 2 is AAA. As i understood correctly, Starship Trooper Ex currently feature one (big) map. Maps and mission objectives are procedurally generated in helldivers. Five different environments, arena battles, boss fights in a the galactic campaign.

Freedom. Peace. Managed Democracy. Your Super Earth-born rights. The key pillars of our civilization. These are under attack from deadly alien civilizations, conspiring to destroy the Super Earth and its values.

https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/helldivers-2-drops-on-playstation-5-later-this-year/

Sounds to me the two other races will be available to. I doubt they will be at launch.

The game is more tactical and less frantic than a L4D i'd say. The maximum of players is four. Seems low compared to 16 players in extermination, but the average helldiver packs a lot more firepower. What you see in the trailer is only a fraction of all the gadgets, weapons, vehicles, airstrikes and capes. The final explosion in the trailer could be a shredder missle, a tactical nuke.

If this is going to be 1:1 conversion and has the same allure as the original, then i know what game i'll be playing the next 10 years.

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@palasta said:
@hardwenzen said:

@mrbojangles25: I want to see a high budget game from the three IP's i mentioned. I want a high budget, high effort with a lot of attention to detail. Don't care about indie level games, we've seen enough, they cannot deliver what i personally want to see from these IP's. I mean shit, Starship Troopers could be a live service game a la Destiny (but not shit), and it could be awesome forming groups and going to blow those bugs up. So much potential.

You're just jealous this game has more physics than your penor ring.

Helldivers 2 is AAA. As i understood correctly, Starship Trooper Ex currently feature one (big) map. Maps and mission objectives are procedurally generated in helldivers. Five different environments, arena battles, boss fights in a the galactic campaign.

Freedom. Peace. Managed Democracy. Your Super Earth-born rights. The key pillars of our civilization. These are under attack from deadly alien civilizations, conspiring to destroy the Super Earth and its values.

https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/24/helldivers-2-drops-on-playstation-5-later-this-year/

Sounds to me the two other races will be available to. I doubt they will be at launch.

The game is more tactical and less frantic than a L4D i'd say. The maximum of players is four. Seems low compared to 16 players in extermination, but the average helldiver packs a lot more firepower. What you see in the trailer is only a fraction of all the gadgets, weapons, vehicles, airstrikes and capes. The final explosion in the trailer could be a shredder missle, a tactical nuke.

If this is going to be 1:1 conversion and has the same allure as the original, then i know what game i'll be playing the next 10 years.

Having just played BF 2042 and the early-access release of Starship Troopers: Exterminators, I can honestly tell you that games like this benefit from being non-AAA.

I am glad the folks at Offworld Industries (of Squad fame)--and not the folks at DICE, or Ubisoft, or whatever AAA outfit--are making this game. Amazing what happens when you empower former modders and they make an actual game.

It just came out and despite all the issues that plague betas/early-access releases it feels like a better game than BF2042 ever will be.

As for Helldivers 2, I am looking forward to it. Not sure how it qualifies as "AAA", nor am I sure AAA even means anything these days other than bloated advertising. It used to mean something, now all it means to me is "steer clear".

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LOL! So I reinstalled Helldivers just to try it out again.

Logged in.

My first game in literal years, I spawned in and...my drop pod killed my teammate (the game was already in progress, I just joined and squashed him when I dropped in).

10/10, would crush again. Love it! Can't make up emergent chaos like that

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@mrbojangles25 said:

Having just played BF 2042 and the early-access release of Starship Troopers: Exterminators, I can honestly tell you that games like this benefit from being non-AAA.

I am glad the folks at Offworld Industries (of Squad fame)--and not the folks at DICE, or Ubisoft, or whatever AAA outfit--are making this game. Amazing what happens when you empower former modders and they make an actual game.

It just came out and despite all the issues that plague betas/early-access releases it feels like a better game than BF2042 ever will be.

As for Helldivers 2, I am looking forward to it. Not sure how it qualifies as "AAA", nor am I sure AAA even means anything these days other than bloated advertising. It used to mean something, now all it means to me is "steer clear".

Arrowhead themselves made the statement of developing a AAA TPS coop in 2018. The game is in development since 2015. Even before Helldivers1 was fully fledged. I guess Helldivers1 sorta served as a proof-of-concept to Sonys multiplayer plans. I suspect people are unaware that Helldivers 2 is one the dreaded life-service games Sony is poised to bring to the table. Btw. whatever happened to that multiplayer zombie game that was announced years ago by one of Sonys most highly regarded studios? Mh... prbly not that relevant...

The advantage of Helldivers over a StarshipTroopers or BF2042 - what makes it actually suited for AAA budget - is it's low player requirement. The different modes + up to 15 difficulty levels makes it a lot more accessible and casual. You only need two players to have a great game. Not even that. I did ret strikes solo occassionly.

I can't say for certain to what extent Helldivers2 will match its predecessor. In the trailer however, i see a couple of new things. There are three auto-turrets in the trailer. The tesla tower and two new designs. Moving and firing is now possible in crouch and prone position. Extrapolate from that and you might get an idea what else will be possible (eg lift). The shoulder mounted cannon looks like a re-designed dumdum... and apparently has assisted reload mechanic, like the MLS and the recoilless rifle. What can be said for sure, Arrowhead wants to expand the DNA of the game.

I'd call it a teaser-trailer. It is deliberatly minimalistic. The two new autoturrets are well hidden, quick cuts, none of the heaviest weapons and airstrikes are shown. And so much more. I guess it fits the life-service nature.