Here is a novel idea: list all thats BAD about every console/handheld!

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Fanboys from every corner of the internet turn out to bash the console they hate and defend the console that they own. I'm here to turn the tables a bit: bash your own console, and try to look at the good of the competitior. While I have only a Wii and Ds Lite, I'm getting a PSP, and know some info about the pros/cons of each current-gen consoles. So, here is my list on all the pros/cons of this consoles:

Wii: Its new controller threatens the hold tradition of how games are played. Good or bad? Well, a little of both. Since this topic is neither black or white, I can't say if its a pro or con. However, unlike some Nintendo fanboys, I believe graphics are important. Not the most important aspect of a game, but very important nonetheless. The Wii's graphics, while a great improvement over the original Xbox, PS2, and GC graphics, are not up to par with the PS3/360. Will this hurt it? Yes. Not this year, or even the next, but by 2009, PS3/360 graphics will become expected on the market. I am a nintendo fanboy to an extent, so I am wondering how the Wii will fare in those years. But I expect it to dominate this year and next, and come out with impress games like Metroid 3, SSBB, and good 3rd party titles as well.

 PS3: I laugh whenever someone says the PS3 will fall. It has a surefire 10 year lifespan, easily outliving its competitors. Plus the PS2's successful games (and huge 100 million person base) will make the PS3 desirable to many, including me. Now, I concide that it will be a failure up until late 2008 or 2009. And I'll even go so far to admit it will not reach the success the PS2 did. Still, 10 years is a lot of time. Yet is massive price tag ($600 my Ass!), its library of games that seem to magically migrate to the 360 (Tekken 6 for example) , and its relative unpopularity as of now will kill sony's wallet for the months to come.

Xbox 360: Everyone says how awesome its library of games is, and its relatively low price tag, and its current success. Everywhere the 360 is expected to be the best console of this generation. Funny, that I disagree. The 360 is behind a curtain of success because it had a year head start. Contrary to name, the 360 is anything but a 360. Its more of the same. Shooters, the best of which is likely to be Halo 3. Its hardware failures, disc scratching, and overall terrible quality makes it my least favorite console in the aspect of lifespan (aka durability), and aesthetic look. Again, its current library will dominate until 2009, meeting effective resistance only from Nintendo later this year, where Halo 3 will have to match blades with SSBB, Mario galaxy, and Metroid 3. Because the PS3 is getting is library sucked dry by the 360, I believe this will be THE console, aside from the Wii, for two more years. I don't believe the PS3 poses a chalenge to it, for now, but the Wii will make headway in games. Sales of each console should not be discussed, because there are too many demographics issues as of now.

 DS Lite: Traditionally, Nintendo has released a new handheld/version of a handheld every 4 years. The Ds was released in 2004. Ds  Lite just last year. How long does the Ds have to live? Thats up to Nintendo. As for this year into early 2008, the Ds's amazing library will dominate the handheld market. Thats not to say that its all good: the Ds, particularily the Ds Lite, has a touch screen that can't endure much punishment. With future awesome games dependent on the touch screen, it is not unthinkable that the Ds Lite in the future will undergo criticism and countless repairs for this problem. Furthermore, good graphics/multimedia features are becoming more and more a staple of the hanheld market; not just in video games. If nintendo truely wants to reach the casual and hardcore gamers, it needs to be innovative AND include expect features that its consoles need. Nevertheless, I believe the Ds Lite has a good 2 years or even 3 left before its time for Nintendo to move on. Howver, I like to say that it is a impressive handheld that, if not remembered for its sales, should be remembered for introducing innovation to a winding down handheld market.

 PSP: I personally am planning to get a PSP within the month. However, that does not prevent me from speaking out agains the weaknesses of this console. It has games that offer little to no innovation: simple ports of the PS2 games. UMDs are useless, and not a format sony should have pushed forward. Music and videos are great: but a way to store them, into playlists for example, has yet to reach the PSP via update. Thats sad, considering this is a basic feature of Mp3. Now, it sounds like I'm being harsh on the PSP. Actually, I like it. Its wide screen, graphically capabilities, and ability to be a multimedia handheld gives it an edge in the market, to the point that is faced off against Nintendo and lived. Remember what I said about sales numbers in the 360 paragraph? Well, the PSP and 360 both aim at a certain demographic: teens to young adults (mostly males). In other words, it is good and right to compare their sales numbers. And what a difference! The 360 has sold 10 million units worldwide. A good number, but thats about the number of PSPs sold in North America alone! Calling the PSP a failure is a downright stupid statement: it has sold 20 million unit. Half of the Ds, but double 360 sales. While handheld and console markets are slightly different, it is still a unusual figure that must be brought up.

 

 If you some how read through that, good for you. Now post brothers, post!!

 

 

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Fanboys from every corner of the internet turn out to bash the console they hate and defend the console that they own. I'm here to turn the tables a bit: bash your own console, and try to look at the good of the competitior. While I have only a Wii and Ds Lite, I'm getting a PSP, and know some info about the pros/cons of each current-gen consoles. So, here is my list on all the pros/cons of this consoles:

Wii: Its new controller threatens the hold tradition of how games are played. Good or bad? Well, a little of both. Since this topic is neither black or white, I can't say if its a pro or con. However, unlike some Nintendo fanboys, I believe graphics are important. Not the most important aspect of a game, but very important nonetheless. The Wii's graphics, while a great improvement over the original Xbox, PS2, and GC graphics, are not up to par with the PS3/360. Will this hurt it? Yes. Not this year, or even the next, but by 2009, PS3/360 graphics will become expected on the market. I am a nintendo fanboy to an extent, so I am wondering how the Wii will fare in those years. But I expect it to dominate this year and next, and come out with impress games like Metroid 3, SSBB, and good 3rd party titles as well.

PS3: I laugh whenever someone says the PS3 will fall. It has a surefire 10 year lifespan, easily outliving its competitors. Plus the PS2's successful games (and huge 100 million person base) will make the PS3 desirable to many, including me. Now, I concide that it will be a failure up until late 2008 or 2009. And I'll even go so far to admit it will not reach the success the PS2 did. Still, 10 years is a lot of time. Yet is massive price tag ($600 my Ass!), its library of games that seem to magically migrate to the 360 (Tekken 6 for example) , and its relative unpopularity as of now will kill sony's wallet for the months to come.

Xbox 360: Everyone says how awesome its library of games is, and its relatively low price tag, and its current success. Everywhere the 360 is expected to be the best console of this generation. Funny, that I disagree. The 360 is behind a curtain of success because it had a year head start. Contrary to name, the 360 is anything but a 360. Its more of the same. Shooters, the best of which is likely to be Halo 3. Its hardware failures, disc scratching, and overall terrible quality makes it my least favorite console in the aspect of lifespan (aka durability), and aesthetic look. Again, its current library will dominate until 2009, meeting effective resistance only from Nintendo later this year, where Halo 3 will have to match blades with SSBB, Mario galaxy, and Metroid 3. Because the PS3 is getting is library sucked dry by the 360, I believe this will be THE console, aside from the Wii, for two more years. I don't believe the PS3 poses a chalenge to it, for now, but the Wii will make headway in games. Sales of each console should not be discussed, because there are too many demographics issues as of now.

DS Lite: Traditionally, Nintendo has released a new handheld/version of a handheld every 4 years. The Ds was released in 2004. Ds Lite just last year. How long does the Ds have to live? Thats up to Nintendo. As for this year into early 2008, the Ds's amazing library will dominate the handheld market. Thats not to say that its all good: the Ds, particularily the Ds Lite, has a touch screen that can't endure much punishment. With future awesome games dependent on the touch screen, it is not unthinkable that the Ds Lite in the future will undergo criticism and countless repairs for this problem. Furthermore, good graphics/multimedia features are becoming more and more a staple of the hanheld market; not just in video games. If nintendo truely wants to reach the casual and hardcore gamers, it needs to be innovative AND include expect features that its consoles need. Nevertheless, I believe the Ds Lite has a good 2 years or even 3 left before its time for Nintendo to move on. Howver, I like to say that it is a impressive handheld that, if not remembered for its sales, should be remembered for introducing innovation to a winding down handheld market.

PSP: I personally am planning to get a PSP within the month. However, that does not prevent me from speaking out agains the weaknesses of this console. It has games that offer little to no innovation: simple ports of the PS2 games. UMDs are useless, and not a format sony should have pushed forward. Music and videos are great: but a way to store them, into playlists for example, has yet to reach the PSP via update. Thats sad, considering this is a basic feature of Mp3. Now, it sounds like I'm being harsh on the PSP. Actually, I like it. Its wide screen, graphically capabilities, and ability to be a multimedia handheld gives it an edge in the market, to the point that is faced off against Nintendo and lived. Remember what I said about sales numbers in the 360 paragraph? Well, the PSP and 360 both aim at a certain demographic: teens to young adults (mostly males). In other words, it is good and right to compare their sales numbers. And what a difference! The 360 has sold 10 million units worldwide. A good number, but thats about the number of PSPs sold in North America alone! Calling the PSP a failure is a downright stupid statement: it has sold 20 million unit. Half of the Ds, but double 360 sales. While handheld and console markets are slightly different, it is still a unusual figure that must be brought up.

 

If you some how read through that, good for you. Now post brothers, post!!

 

 

peter1191

nice, i see this gen as a mirror of last gen in the ps3 360 war. ps2 got all the 3rd party support because it was out so early, and same will probably happen this gen with 360. but still, no console will fail, only sell less than others.

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Contrary to name, the 360 is anything but a 360. Its more of the same.peter1191

Holy Fing S*** I don't belive you fell for that!

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Bump. I'd like to see other opinions also mistervengeanc idea is good, and makes sense.
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#5 peter1191
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Tasman, how so?
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[QUOTE="peter1191"] Contrary to name, the 360 is anything but a 360. Its more of the same.Tasman_basic

Holy Fing S*** I don't belive you fell for that!

LOOOOOOOOOOOL c'mon let this one slide, i'm sure he'll recognize his mistake :P
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PSP: Not enough games that aren't playable on PS2 or another system. Metal Gear Acid is a variation, Tekken: Dark Resurrection is not PSP exclusive. Some more games that I don't wanna bother looking up. Bad battery life, a little too big.

Wii: Dumping ground for terrible ports and minigame collections. Not the best graphics ever. Some cheap and gimmicky games. Unneccesary channels like "Everybody Votes".

PS3: Hefty price tag, not enough games that aren't on other consoles, massive size, unneeded multimedia features.

Xbox 360: Pay for online, not enough game variations, uhhm red ring of death?

DS: Some bad graphics, some gimmicky games and forced touch screen controls, friend codes can be a small burden.

But in all honesty all of these points mentioned above can be proved wrong. For instance the "Everybody Votes" channel is a small reason to turn your Wii on again. Xbox live is a small price. PS3 and PSP multimedia features are nice to have, and so on.

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O................o my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahaah lol. I can't believe I actually fell for that.....................wow, the name is stupid.
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O................o my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahaah lol. I can't believe I actually fell for that.....................wow, the name is stupid.peter1191

...you don't get your mistake do you?

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And Dark_Link142, thats the purpose. Each system has its cons, but we should'nt forget whats good about each one. The fact that you can disprove each point means that your a little less bias when dealing with fanboys on these boards.
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Wii- Where da kids at?

360- Red Ring of Death looks like an alien staring back at you....OFTEN.

PS3- Its not enough time in the day for me to list all the faults of this anti christ of a console.   :shock:

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And Dark_Link142, thats the purpose. Each system has its cons, but we should'nt forget whats good about each one. The fact that you can disprove each point means that your a little less bias when dealing with fanboys on these boards.
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Yea, 360 simply means a full circle. Nothing has actually changed. LOL
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PS3: $600
360: Red Light of Death...
Wii: Not enough good games out yet.
PSP: Expensive system/games with rather mediocre library.
DS: A few too many gimmicky games

...

Xbox: Halo is most overrated game of all time
PS2: Unreliable hardware
GC: Bad 3rd party support
GBA: The NES series games were biggest milkage of all time
Dreamcast: It died quickly
N64: Cartridges and poor 3rd party support
PS1: Not much wrong with this one
Saturn: Expensive and not enough good games
Jaguar: Garbage games
3DO: LOL $699
CD-I: Garbage for more reasons than I can count
SNES: Lack of CD addon gave birth to PS1
Genesis: Stupid addons and not enough sales as SNES
Neo Geo: Too expensive
Turbografx: Poor sales in golden era of gaming and not enough good games
Game Boy: Puke green
Game Gear: Too big and used too much power
Atari Lynx: Bad library
Master System: Not enough games, poor sales
NES: Nintendo's stranglehold on the industry and a ton of bad games
Atari 7800: No games
Atari 5200: Terrible controller
Intellivision: Died in crash of 1983
Colecovision: Died in 1983
Atari 2600: E.T. killed videogames
PONG: LOL, Pong
Odyssey: LOL, screen overlays

Everybody loses! 

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PS3: $600
360: Red Light of Death...
Wii: Not enough good games out yet.
PSP: Expensive system/games with rather mediocre library.
DS: A few too many gimmicky games

...

Xbox: Halo is most overrated game of all time
PS2: Unreliable hardware
GC: Bad 3rd party support
GBA: The NES series games were biggest milkage of all time
Dreamcast: It died quickly
N64: Cartridges and poor 3rd party support
PS1: Not much wrong with this one
Saturn: Expensive and not enough good games
Jaguar: Garbage games
3DO: LOL $699
CD-I: Garbage for more reasons than I can count
SNES: Lack of CD addon gave birth to PS1
Genesis: Stupid addons and not enough sales as SNES
Neo Geo: Too expensive
Turbografx: Poor sales in golden era of gaming and not enough good games
Game Boy: Puke green
Game Gear: Too big and used too much power
Atari Lynx: Bad library
Master System: Not enough games, poor sales
NES: Nintendo's stranglehold on the industry and a ton of bad games
Atari 7800: No games
Atari 5200: Terrible controller
Intellivision: Died in crash of 1983
Colecovision: Died in 1983
Atari 2600: E.T. killed videogames
PONG: LOL, Pong
Odyssey: LOL, screen overlays

Everybody loses! 

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Haha I enjoyed that.

And Dark_Link142, thats the purpose. Each system has its cons, but we should'nt forget whats good about each one. The fact that you can disprove each point means that your a little less bias when dealing with fanboys on these boards.peter1191

Thanks :)

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LOL Last_Stand. That was entertaining. I guess you were into video games for a long time? I'm only 15, so I don't know like 10 or so of those consoles.
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Bump
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good effort that probably took you a while
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Xbox 360:

1. Live is not half as good as everyone makes it out to be.  matchmaking sucks.  Instead of XBL hosting the servers, you have to hope that the 12 year old you connecting to knows how to open his ports for XBL, and has a good connection to host a 16 player game....  Not to mention the fact that the XBL community just flat out sucks.

2. The 360 with out online = not a very fun system at all.  ( ironic that 1&2 ain't it )

3. Alot of first gen 360 games had some bad frame rate problems, that dang near runined the gaming experience ( saints row anyone ? )

4.  XBL price.  Having to pay to play games online..... it should not be period.  Especially when they arn't even hosting the servers.... Microsoft is making a killing on XBL.

5. Red Rings of Death.... there is flat out no excuse for it.  Thankfully I have not experienced it, but obviously its a problem.

 

PS3:

1. Lack of games..... There is a decent amount out right now, if you were to just now buy a next gen system, but for people like me that have already had a 360 and / or got a PS3 early in its life cycle, a drought is occuring, but according to Sony's gamerday that is gonna be fixed soon.... hopefully.

2. Dev's not taking advantage of Blue Ray.  They have all this space, and instead of taking advantage of it, they keep making these waterdowned ports from the 360 for quick cash..... wich brings us to....

3..... Waterdowned ports...  no excuse lazy devs suck, and oblivion showed what could happen if devs took there time, and released a proper game.   F.E.A.R. is not acceptable, they just wanted a quick buck period.

4.  Price, I think this is the main thing holding people back from getting the system, next to the drought.  Only reason I got mine was cause I traded my PS2 and got $100 credit so I really paid $600.00 after tax's for my PS3 60 gig.

Wii:

1.  Just like the PS3 a lack of good games.    3/4 of the games out right now on the Wii = 6 years and younger, and for the few that are good its not enough.   Obviously even UBISOFT admitted that they rushed games, to make a quick buck, so did everyone else, so basically all the games that are out except for Papermaio, Zelda TP, Metal Slug, Wii sports, and Wii play have been childish, mini game infested, or just down right bad games ( red steel ? far Cry ? )

2. Quick cash games, i pretty much went over it in part 1 but it needs its own point cause its one of my probs.  Crap games, made quick for quick cash :(

3.  Wii online .... where is it ?

4. Wii online.... friends codes ? WTF Nintendo welcome to 2007  make a damn online service, They have the money for it and they are quite capabale of doing it, so why the hell not ? 

5.  Since when the hell did I need so many controllers for a console ?  Wii, mote, Nun chuck, Classic Controller, Gamecube controller..... why can't I just use the classic controller instead of a gamecube controller ?  The price of the Wii is not as cheap as its made out to be.

6. Price, yea I know im gonna get attacked for this one.. but what ever.   wii = 250 classic controller = 20 Wii mote and nun chuck = 60 ( cause the wii by yourself = boring for most games, except Zelda and Papermario. ) all that with out tax, and without a game = 330..... not to much more you can get a 360...

 

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I reread my post, and realized it has a ton of spelling errors. Sorry!
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Instead of readiong his post look at my sig

 

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Xbox 360:

1. Live is not half as good as everyone makes it out to be.  matchmaking sucks.  Instead of XBL hosting the servers, you have to hope that the 12 year old you connecting to knows how to open his ports for XBL, and has a good connection to host a 16 player game....  Not to mention the fact that the XBL community just flat out sucks.

2. The 360 with out online = not a very fun system at all.  ( ironic that 1&2 ain't it )

3. Alot of first gen 360 games had some bad frame rate problems, that dang near runined the gaming experience ( saints row anyone ? )

4.  XBL price.  Having to pay to play games online..... it should not be period.  Especially when they arn't even hosting the servers.... Microsoft is making a killing on XBL.

5. Red Rings of Death.... there is flat out no excuse for it.  Thankfully I have not experienced it, but obviously its a problem.

 

PS3:

1. Lack of games..... There is a decent amount out right now, if you were to just now buy a next gen system, but for people like me that have already had a 360 and / or got a PS3 early in its life cycle, a drought is occuring, but according to Sony's gamerday that is gonna be fixed soon.... hopefully.

2. Dev's not taking advantage of Blue Ray.  They have all this space, and instead of taking advantage of it, they keep making these waterdowned ports from the 360 for quick cash..... wich brings us to....

3..... Waterdowned ports...  no excuse lazy devs suck, and oblivion showed what could happen if devs took there time, and released a proper game.   F.E.A.R. is not acceptable, they just wanted a quick buck period.

4.  Price, I think this is the main thing holding people back from getting the system, next to the drought.  Only reason I got mine was cause I traded my PS2 and got $100 credit so I really paid $600.00 after tax's for my PS3 60 gig.

Wii:

1.  Just like the PS3 a lack of good games.    3/4 of the games out right now on the Wii = 6 years and younger, and for the few that are good its not enough.   Obviously even UBISOFT admitted that they rushed games, to make a quick buck, so did everyone else, so basically all the games that are out except for Papermaio, Zelda TP, Metal Slug, Wii sports, and Wii play have been childish, mini game infested, or just down right bad games ( red steel ? far Cry ? )

2. Quick cash games, i pretty much went over it in part 1 but it needs its own point cause its one of my probs.  Crap games, made quick for quick cash :(

3.  Wii online .... where is it ?

4. Wii online.... friends codes ? WTF Nintendo welcome to 2007  make a damn online service, They have the money for it and they are quite capabale of doing it, so why the hell not ? 

5.  Since when the hell did I need so many controllers for a console ?  Wii, mote, Nun chuck, Classic Controller, Gamecube controller..... why can't I just use the classic controller instead of a gamecube controller ?  The price of the Wii is not as cheap as its made out to be.

6. Price, yea I know im gonna get attacked for this one.. but what ever.   wii = 250 classic controller = 20 Wii mote and nun chuck = 60 ( cause the wii by yourself = boring for most games, except Zelda and Papermario. ) all that with out tax, and without a game = 330..... not to much more you can get a 360...

 

shaggymcp

i dont have sale tax :|

alright lemming i cant take you serious with that stupid comment

 

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LOL Last_Stand. That was entertaining. I guess you were into video games for a long time? I'm only 15, so I don't know like 10 or so of those consoles.peter1191

I'm 17, I've been living on Earth two years longer than you have....as well as everyone older than I am, who have been living x years longer than I.

lololololololololol hierarchy.

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Wii- Bad Online Plan, No Strong 3rd Party, No Demos/Game Content Downloads, Weak Hardware, No HDD, VC Prices = Death

PS3- No Games, Too Expensive for a Game Console, Games are going to 360, Online does not Match XBL, Not Nearly Enough PS2/PS1 Games on Market.

360- Corrupt Downloads, No Foreign Accounts, Hardware is Fragile, Bad HDD Design, Overpriced Accessories, Marketplace Prices = Death, 50 Bucks just to play online? Lame!

Yeah :P 

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#25 peter1191
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BlazeDragon132 really knows how to put a console down, lol. Good list. However, I believe most of those complaints can be solved in the future. There are still good to point out, however.
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Bump it up!