Hermits: Do all PCs count as one system/console?

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

I really don't understand what you are asking.

Actually, its both. You can play all new games if you have a moderately new rig. It doesn't require constant upgrading to be considered a next gen capable rig. The PC itself isn't split up into generations like consoles are. Thats why standards are so much higher on PCs.Vandalvideo

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Senor_Kami

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

They all count, only its harder to determine "Generation with the PC" .... we go by console release on this site ... and compare games there onwards ...

But .. in reality, the "Next Generation" starts much sooner on the PC .. games like Half-Life 2 ... World of Warcraft could easily be considered this generation , even Warcraft III ect ect ...... despite thier graphics ... they are still the top played games of today ... ahead in thier genres for gameplay and presentaiton ...

World of Wacraft is part of this generation, as is HAlf-Life 2.

[QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

HoldThePhone

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

Ket87

yeah, there is.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Ket87

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

excpet that my "last gen" 600$ pc (i bought it way before the 360 released) can max Call of duty (ive only upgragaded my video card) so your 1000$ point is pretty much null, expecially if you already have a pc, mine was built from ground up everything but a monitor

[QUOTE="Ket87"]

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

Hewkii

yeah, there is.

$650 worth of difference? Are the extra particle and lighting effects worth the extra $650 you would be spending on that thousand dollar PC over buying a console?

[QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Mizarus

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

excpet that my "last gen" 600$ pc (i bought it way before the 360 released) can max Call of duty (ive only upgragaded my video card) so your 1000$ point is pretty much null, expecially if you already have a pc, mine was built from ground up everything but a monitor

Yeah ok $600 older PC, but how much was it too upgrade your video card. You just null and voided your argument when you said you upgraded it.

[QUOTE="Mizarus"][QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Ket87

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

excpet that my "last gen" 600$ pc (i bought it way before the 360 released) can max Call of duty (ive only upgragaded my video card) so your 1000$ point is pretty much null, expecially if you already have a pc, mine was built from ground up everything but a monitor

Yeah ok $600 older PC, but how much was it too upgrade your video card. You just null and voided your argument when you said you upgraded it.

nothing, evga step up! program

on a side note a 9600GT can max the game pretty well, and its only around 140$ pc's are much cheaper these days then they were when i bought mine, you could build a pc much faster then mine for the same price that ive paid

also, ive built my pc around 3 years ago, ive i had to upgrade now id pay around 140-200$ on a videocard, if i want to play CoD4 on a 360 tho id had to pay 400$

600$ 3-4 years ago+ 140-200$ now= 800$ over 4years, with the videocard upgrade the pc should last more 2-3years without having much problems,

the first xbox launched for 300$, and the 360 is at 450 now so thats equals 750$, but the 360 came out 4 years later then the original xbox did, so overall the pc will usualy end up being cheaper IF(thats a big if) you want to keep up with generations. (on pc you dont need to upgrade controllers)

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Ket87

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

Disadvantage? PCs are expensive, gaming or not. Why? Look at what your getting.

You pay 350-400 for an Xbox360. $50 a year just to use the damn thing online, and nearly everything the system offers has a price tag next to it. Music videos, T.V shows, downloadable content, hell -- even themes and icons.

PC has infintely more features then a console, free of charge. So yes, a $1000 computer is what I would call an equivalent to the graphical capabilites of an Xbox360 (can do better acutally). People will tell you, "oh i run COD4 on a $400 rig i built", that's great -- but realisitcally, if you want COD4 or Bioshock at 70+ FPS, then expect to drop a grand.

PCs are already essential to everyday life for alot of people, and they usually go for 400-600 dollars for a standard piece of junk. Why not pay an extra $400 for the ability to play an amazing list of PC exclusives and still keep all the amazing features every PC comes with.

PC gaming wouldn't be so expensive to get into if you hadn't already devoted all the cash to an Xbox360.

Ignorance.

are u asking whether PCs older games should eb counted in the AA and AAA PC list?

if so then no, they shouldnt. i think the general rule here is that the PC game count is reset when a new gen begins in SW. otherwise it would be a case of having the entire PC library against the library of the PS1,2 and 3 combined or every nintendo console ever made and so on. so number of AA and AAA games on the PC is counted from when the 360 launched to make it fair.

now if a PC game with very low system reqs is released now (and there are quite a few of em if u poke around), its still counted as a modern PC game.

i think thats the rule here anyway,.

[QUOTE="Ket87"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

HoldThePhone

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

Disadvantage? PCs are expensive, gaming or not. Why? Look at what your getting.

You pay 350-400 for an Xbox360. $50 a year just to use the damn thing online, and nearly everything the system offers has a price tag next to it. Music videos, T.V shoes, downloadable content, hell -- even themes and icons.

PC has infintely more features then a console, free of charge. So yes, a $1000 computer is what I would call an equivalent to the graphical capabilites of an Xbox360 (can do better acutally). People will tell you, "oh i run COD4 on a $400 rig i built", that's great -- but realisitcally, if you want COD4 or Bioshock at 70+ FPS, then expect to drop a grand.

PCs are already essential to everyday life for alot of people, and they usually go for 400-600 dollars for a standard piece of junk. Why not pay an extra $400 for the ability to play an amazing list of PC exclusives and still keep all the amazing features every PC comes with.

PC gaming wouldn't be so expensive to get into if you hadn't already devoted all the cash to an Xbox360.

Ignorance.

damn i loved your argument, from now on i wish i could say my pc coasted me 200$ because thats how much i had to expend extra on it in order to play games(since i was going to buy a pc anyway) but i doubt people here are going to be able to follow that logic

You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.Kantroce

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.HoldThePhone

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.Kantroce

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC.

I have 4 high end gaming rigs.

But seriously, what planet?

I feel ripped off. Here I am buying everything that makes a computer on Earth work along with a monitor to you know -- see what I'm playing 0_o.

To think that all I need to play was a processor and video card.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.HoldThePhone

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC.

I have 4 high end gaming rigs.

But seriously, what planet?

I feel ripped off. Here I am buying everything that makes a computer on Earth work along with a monitor to you know -- see what I'm playing 0_o.

To think that all I need to play was a processor and video card.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.Kantroce

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Senor_Kami"]

In one thread that listed total PC gaming revenue, I saw alot of people saying that PCs was the bigges single system. I went into another thread and saw people saying that a fault of PCs is that you have to upgrade in order to play the latest games. PC gamers responded by saying its similar to how console owners have to upgrade to a PS3/360 if they want to play a PS3/360 game. That made me think, which one is it?

Should we count sales of PC games that can play on last gen tech as if its a different console? If not, can we count all PS2 sales as part of PS3 since, like a PC, you can play old games on the new system? Same for Wii and 360?

If its all one system/console then isn't the need to update a legitimate complaint since the system can't play all games sold for the system?

Not bashing, I just wanted clarification since it seems like depending on what makes it look the best, the PC is said to be one system or actually multiple systems that shouldn't be lumped together.

Ket87

The great thing about PCs and why hermits are so cocky about them, is that it doesn't really have one big corporation behind the PC system.

The PC is just what it is, your Personal Computer. You make it how powerful you want it to be. Whether you simply want business aplications and internet browsing with a computer that cost you $500 or maybe you want to play Call of Duty 4 as well and you got a $1000 computer -- it's up to you. Your computer is compeletly customizable, you don't belong to a Sony, MS, or a Nintendo faction, your in your own league.

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

I'd rather be a corporate tool and spend 1/3 the cost to play a game on a console then be a maverick non conformist and drop a grand on building my own PC.

PC has higher player count, hundreds of custom maps, and better graphics

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.HoldThePhone

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.HoldThePhone

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC.

I have 4 high end gaming rigs.

But seriously, what planet?

I feel ripped off. Here I am buying everything that makes a computer on Earth work along with a monitor to you know -- see what I'm playing 0_o.

To think that all I need to play was a processor and video card.

Indeed, its nearly as lack-witted a statement as made by those who don't bother to add in the price of the television, and all of the peripherals they're using to play the games on those consoles.

Of course, one could they also use their television simply as a television, and thus is doesn't needed to be added to the price of how much their gaming cost them. On the other hand, if someone dropped X price on a computer for productivity purposes, and as well purchased a decent video card for Y money, it could be said that they only payed Y price for their gaming computer, as the computer was already there, being used for other purposes.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You don't need to drop a grand to max out COD4. You can pretty much use an 8800 GT and a cheap dual core processor and max it out. That game is about as taxing as World of Warcraft.Kantroce

Could you tell me the location/name of the planet where all you need is a graphics card and a processor to play a computer game?

Sounds like paradise...

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

$650 worth of difference? Are the extra particle and lighting effects worth the extra $650 you would be spending on that thousand dollar PC over buying a console?

Ket87

pretty much, yeah.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Ket87"]

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

Ket87

yeah, there is.

$650 worth of difference? Are the extra particle and lighting effects worth the extra $650 you would be spending on that thousand dollar PC over buying a console?

my $600 rig can run call of duty 4 on max, and its made with quality parts.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"]

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

HoldThePhone

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

I never said I was intellectually superior. I never thought that was what either of us were trying to prove. I'm saying that if you don't know how to build a PC then you're going to pay for it. Simple as that. It's not my fault people aren't smart enough to read a tutorial and put together their own PC. Being smart will save you money, being ignorant is going to be expensive if you're going to play PC games.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"]

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

Kantroce

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

I never said I was intellectually superior. I never thought that was what either of us were trying to prove. I'm saying that if you don't know how to build a PC then you're going to pay for it. Simple as that. It's not my fault people aren't smart enough to read a tutorial and put together their own PC. Being smart will save you money, being ignorant is going to be expensive if you're going to play PC games.

Still have yet to see a list of parts/prices. I've read PC mags that make amazing machines with 800-1000 dollars, I look forward to hearing about yours.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"]

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

HoldThePhone

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

I never said I was intellectually superior. I never thought that was what either of us were trying to prove. I'm saying that if you don't know how to build a PC then you're going to pay for it. Simple as that. It's not my fault people aren't smart enough to read a tutorial and put together their own PC. Being smart will save you money, being ignorant is going to be expensive if you're going to play PC games.

Still have yet to see a list of parts/prices. I've read PC mags that make amazing machines with 800-1000 dollars, I look forward to hearing about yours.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115029
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $149.99
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
Thermaltake TR2 RX W0146RU ATX12V Ver2.2 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC and CE certification - Retail $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153057


case 40-60$
gpu 140$ 9600gt
total 639$

i didnt made any effort looking for parts of similar quality with lower prices , ive only looked at newegg and this build will easily max COD4 ive also randomly picked the CPU from the front page you can get a cheaper one with only a slightly diference on perfomance, you can go cheaper by buyng lower perfomance parts overall aswell or simply looking harder then i did

im`a hermit and proud, now pc`s is a image of one`s taste,me i spent 4500 on my rig

bac n mar/07 and it`s still sweet, no upgrading and my 360 is not worthy of my present

play time

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Ket87"]

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

Ket87

yeah, there is.

$650 worth of difference? Are the extra particle and lighting effects worth the extra $650 you would be spending on that thousand dollar PC over buying a console?

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"]

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

Mizarus

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

I never said I was intellectually superior. I never thought that was what either of us were trying to prove. I'm saying that if you don't know how to build a PC then you're going to pay for it. Simple as that. It's not my fault people aren't smart enough to read a tutorial and put together their own PC. Being smart will save you money, being ignorant is going to be expensive if you're going to play PC games.

Still have yet to see a list of parts/prices. I've read PC mags that make amazing machines with 800-1000 dollars, I look forward to hearing about yours.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115029
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $149.99
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
Thermaltake TR2 RX W0146RU ATX12V Ver2.2 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC and CE certification - Retail $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153057


case 40-60$
gpu 140$ 9600gt
total 639$

i didnt made any effort looking for parts of similar quality with lower prices , ive only looked at newegg and this build will easily max COD4 ive also randomly picked the CPU from the front page you can get a cheaper one with only a slightly diference on perfomance, you can go cheaper by buyng lower perfomance parts overall aswell or simply looking harder then i did

Actually, its both. You can play all new games if you have a moderately new rig. It doesn't require constant upgrading to be considered a next gen capable rig. The PC itself isn't split up into generations like consoles are. Thats why standards are so much higher on PCs.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Mizarus"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"]

Unless you're making this post from a mac or a Wii I think you might have a PC. Also if you spend 1k from the ground up you're an idiot and don't know how to build a PC. There's something to be said for knowing what the hell you're doing.

mastershake575

Are we talking lay down the case in your garage and piece by piece construction? Or we talking buying a customizable build on a website, and having them make it for you.

If it's the latter please tell me the dealer you're buying from and the components in the computer to run COD4 maxed out. Links please.

If it's the former, I think it's time you stepped outside and realized not everyone is a computer mechanic.

Ignorance is bliss, and always more expensive.

That's your rebuttal? You say I don't know what the hell I'm doing and that's your argument, "ignorance is bliss?". Am I supposed to think you're intellectually superiour now because you used a philosohpical quote?

GG

I never said I was intellectually superior. I never thought that was what either of us were trying to prove. I'm saying that if you don't know how to build a PC then you're going to pay for it. Simple as that. It's not my fault people aren't smart enough to read a tutorial and put together their own PC. Being smart will save you money, being ignorant is going to be expensive if you're going to play PC games.

Still have yet to see a list of parts/prices. I've read PC mags that make amazing machines with 800-1000 dollars, I look forward to hearing about yours.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115029
Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Conroe 2.66GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131196
ASUS P5K-E/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $149.99
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
Thermaltake TR2 RX W0146RU ATX12V Ver2.2 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CUL, TUV, FCC and CE certification - Retail $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153057


case 40-60$
gpu 140$ 9600gt
total 639$

i didnt made any effort looking for parts of similar quality with lower prices , ive only looked at newegg and this build will easily max COD4 ive also randomly picked the CPU from the front page you can get a cheaper one with only a slightly diference on perfomance, you can go cheaper by buyng lower perfomance parts overall aswell or simply looking harder then i did

You guys play without monitors or sound? Damn you must be pro.

I like having a monitor and speakers when I game.

You guys play without monitors or sound? Damn you must be pro.

I like having a monitor and speakers when I game.

HoldThePhone

:|

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Ket87"]

Thats something I see as a disadvantage though to PCs not an advantage. For you to play CoD4 you needed a $1000 computer where as I needed a $350 Xbox 360 which is the exact same game, even graphically theres not much of a difference.

Ket87

yeah, there is.

$650 worth of difference? Are the extra particle and lighting effects worth the extra $650 you would be spending on that thousand dollar PC over buying a console?

You need a PC anyway. Might as well buy a gaming PC and skip the Xbox all together.

You better include the price of a television with consoles then if you're going to be a hypocrite.Kantroce

I do.

I'm not rooting for consoles here. I'm a hermit who doesn't brag about miracle rigs, and represents the typical gaming consumer interested in PC gaming.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You better include the price of a television with consoles then if you're going to be a hypocrite.HoldThePhone

I do.

I'm not rooting for consoles here. I'm a hermit who doesn't brag about miracle rigs, and represents the typical gaming consumer interested in PC gaming.

Why would you ever include the monitor or the television? That's a charge that rarely applies to either. I find that people playing this generation of consoles have to upgrade their television more than hermits upgrade their monitor. Anyone posting and reading on here on a PC HAS a monitor. Simple as that.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You better include the price of a television with consoles then if you're going to be a hypocrite.Kantroce

I do.

I'm not rooting for consoles here. I'm a hermit who doesn't brag about miracle rigs, and represents the typical gaming consumer interested in PC gaming.

Why would you ever include the monitor or the television? That's a charge that rarely applies to either. I find that people playing this generation of consoles have to upgrade their television more than hermits upgrade their monitor. Anyone posting and reading on here on a PC HAS a monitor. Simple as that.

No s***.

I completely agree that console players need to upgrade their TV just as much as PC gamers upgrade their parts. If you go back to the first couple pages of this thread, I was never trying to make the argument that console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming.

What I was arguing is that if you want to start PC gaming fresh, be prepared to drop a grand to play the top-end games. And that the only reason people think that is expensive, is because they already blew the cash on a 360.

I always include monitor/speakers. I'm currently looking to buy another PC when I go back to college, can't steal one from my house you know.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You better include the price of a television with consoles then if you're going to be a hypocrite.HoldThePhone

I do.

I'm not rooting for consoles here. I'm a hermit who doesn't brag about miracle rigs, and represents the typical gaming consumer interested in PC gaming.

Why would you ever include the monitor or the television? That's a charge that rarely applies to either. I find that people playing this generation of consoles have to upgrade their television more than hermits upgrade their monitor. Anyone posting and reading on here on a PC HAS a monitor. Simple as that.

No s***.

I completely agree that console players need to upgrade their TV just as much as PC gamers upgrade their parts. If you go back to the first couple pages of this thread, I was never trying to make the argument that console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming.

What I was arguing is that if you want to start PC gaming fresh, be prepared to drop a grand to play the top-end games. And that the only reason people think that is expensive, is because they already blew the cash on a 360.

I always include monitor/speakers. I'm currently looking to buy another PC when I go back to college, can't steal one from my house you know.

You don't need to drop a grand if you intelligently spend your money. The post that showed all of the components from newegg could have sheared off some money with a different mobo and a different processor. Then you can add your monitor (if you ABSOLUTELY have to) and speakers (I use headphones). You will not spend a grand if you know what you're doing.

Rebuttal that not everyone knows what they're doing. I don't care; it's not my problem that some people don't know what they're doing or can't do research.

[QUOTE="HoldThePhone"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="HoldThePhone"]

[QUOTE="Kantroce"]You better include the price of a television with consoles then if you're going to be a hypocrite.Kantroce

I do.

I'm not rooting for consoles here. I'm a hermit who doesn't brag about miracle rigs, and represents the typical gaming consumer interested in PC gaming.

Why would you ever include the monitor or the television? That's a charge that rarely applies to either. I find that people playing this generation of consoles have to upgrade their television more than hermits upgrade their monitor. Anyone posting and reading on here on a PC HAS a monitor. Simple as that.

No s**.

I completely agree that console players need to upgrade their TV just as much as PC gamers upgrade their parts. If you go back to the first couple pages of this thread, I was never trying to make the argument that console gaming is cheaper than PC gaming.

What I was arguing is that if you want to start PC gaming fresh, be prepared to drop a grand to play the top-end games. And that the only reason people think that is expensive, is because they already blew the cash on a 360.

I always include monitor/speakers. I'm currently looking to buy another PC when I go back to college, can't steal one from my house you know.

You don't need to drop a grand if you intelligently spend your money. The post that showed all of the components from newegg could have sheared off some money with a different mobo and a different processor. Then you can add your monitor (if you ABSOLUTELY have to) and speakers (I use headphones). You will not spend a grand if you know what you're doing.

Rebuttal that not everyone knows what they're doing. I don't care; it's not my problem that some people don't know what they're doing or can't do research.

i didnt incluide monitor for a few reasons

1: ive assumed most people already have monitors

2: pcs can be plugged to tv's

3: HDTV's are more expensive then motiros so i didnt include that because if you asked me to include them you would have no argument left

you asked a pc capable of maxing cod foraround 600$ and i delivired, now show me that 360 that plays COD4 without a tv and coasted you only 450$

What I was arguing is that if you want to start PC gaming fresh, be prepared to drop a grand to play the top-end games. And that the only reason people think that is expensive, is because they already blew the cash on a 360.HoldThePhone

There are two big platforms in the computer realm. Windows and Mac. In the computer gaming realm there is just one and that is Windows aka PCs.

Also, who cares how much it costs? It costs more then a console generally but I don't see how that affects anyone but yourself.