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#1 DaGamingGod
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In light of the new information regarding MGS4 running at less than 30fps at times, I find it pretty funny how Hermits have the nerve to smack talk console lovers. Not too long ago, almost all of the Hermits were talking about how Crysis was hitting framerates around the 20's and even sometimes dipping into the teens when being run on their gaming computers. They talked about how it wasn't a huge deal because the graphics were pretty sweet and that they hardly ever noticed. As soon as Hermits found out about GTA IV or MGS4 hitting frames under 30, they were all over Lemmings and Cows. Seems to me that they seem a bit jealous that they can't play 10/10 epic games on their rigs and need any kind of ammo to use against console lovers. Opinions?

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#2 FunkyHeadHunter
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OP sounds pretty spot on to me..
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#4 Gaming4_Life
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I made you laugh? Awesome!! :D Glad I can do some good in your negative little world of yours.
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#5 DaGamingGod
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I made you laugh? Awesome!! :D Glad I can do some good in your negative little world of yours. Gaming4_Life
The truth hurts with this 1 folks.
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#6 anshul89
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I think hermits just want some attention. No one on these forums consider the pc as part of systemwars except hermits. They can upgrade there hardware when ever thay want, they are not held at the same standards. I personally dont think they should even be a part of the discussion, who else is sick of *console graphics* Treads ,being over run with,* crisis tread/* posts? No one gives a crap lets settle it now the pc is better, it always will be better as long as upgradeable hardware is available. Now hermits just move on and never post here again because frankly noone gives $h*t. Pc only gamers are missing out on more good games than console only gamers, if they own all three. If I really thought pc gaming was so great I would buy one. I have never had the desire to own a rig.
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#7 Gaming4_Life
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[QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"]I made you laugh? Awesome!! :D Glad I can do some good in your negative little world of yours. DaGamingGod
The truth hurts with this 1 folks.

Awww...how cute.
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#8 lolkie_81
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[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]I think hermits just want some attention. No one on these forums consider the pc as part of systemwars except hermits. They can upgrade there hardware when ever thay want, they are not held at the same standards. I personally dont think they should even be a part of the discussion, who else is sick of *console graphics* Treads ,being over run with,* crisis tread/* posts? No one gives a crap lets settle it now the pc is better, it always will be better as long as upgradeable hardware is available. Now hermits just move on and never post here again because frankly noone gives $h*t. Pc only gamers are missing out on more good games than console only gamers, if they own all three. If I really thought pc gaming was so great I would buy one. I have never had the desire to own a rig.
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And your link matters how? Looks like a bunch of hermits posting to me. I dont have anything against hermits, Im all for gaming, it just dosent belong being directly compared to console gaming. If the 360 or ps3 could have upgradeable ram every year that would be a different story, What is so hard about understanding that?

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#9 DaGamingGod
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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"]I made you laugh? Awesome!! :D Glad I can do some good in your negative little world of yours. Gaming4_Life
The truth hurts with this 1 folks.

Awww...how cute.

Cheer up fella. I'm here for you.
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#10 Gaming4_Life
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[QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Gaming4_Life"]I made you laugh? Awesome!! :D Glad I can do some good in your negative little world of yours. DaGamingGod
The truth hurts with this 1 folks.

Awww...how cute.

Cheer up fella. I'm here for you.

Much appreciated, but this coming from you just blows my mind.
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#11 PBSnipes
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I wish hermits made me laugh. Instead I get all bloated and gassy around them. :|
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#12 DaGamingGod
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I wish hermits made me laugh. Instead I get all bloated and gassy.PBSnipes
LoL! Drink some 7 up. Does wonders.
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#13 -Ninja_Dog-
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Its amazing that with the painted on textures in MGS4 that it can't maintain a steady frame rate.

Look at the arms and pants lol and get a load of the jaggies. random cow " butt iTZ teh tEchN1cal superior game. "

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#14 club-sandwich
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banboys make me laugh, LoL! :|
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#15 DaGamingGod
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-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.
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In light of the new information regarding MGS4 running at less than 30fps at times, I find it pretty funny how Hermits have the nerve to smack talk console lovers. Not too long ago, almost all of the Hermits were talking about how Crysis was hitting framerates around the 20's and even sometimes dipping into the teens when being run on their gaming computers. They talked about how it wasn't a huge deal because the graphics were pretty sweet and that they hardly ever noticed. As soon as Hermits found out about GTA IV or MGS4 hitting frames under 30, they were all over Lemmings and Cows. Seems to me that they seem a bit jealous that they can't play 10/10 epic games on their rigs and need any kind of ammo to use against console lovers. Opinions?DaGamingGod

what makes u think that the person who started the thread which you are talking about is a hermit??/u just made that up...

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#18 Blackbond
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Sigh....

Look Hermits were bragging about being able to run Crysis at 30FPS which is well under the norm of the Hermits 60FPS which Hermits use to their advantage.

Essentially Hermits play at 60FPS while saying that console owners play First Person Shooters at 30FPS. But when people were playing Crysis at 30FPS then it was kind of hypocritical that Hermits were playing at 30FPS which is what they mocked.

I don't know where you are getting less then 30FPS from. Those comments only came from Hermits maxing the settings and seeing how fast the game would run.

This thread just reeks of desperation. At least be accurate.

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#19 DaGamingGod
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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.-Ninja_Dog-

Would you be making all this fuss if it were an 8.5 and 9.0 game /

Plenty of games have scored 9.5 and 9.6 this generation. Just cuz you PS3 has way low standards and gets a game that scores .4 to .5 higher than many games on the Wii and 360 you go crazy... butr I guess I would too if all my games were AA.

Oh and get your eyes checked.

And let me guess you have 27 in HDTV right ?

Poor guy. Release the hate!!! Get it off of your chest.
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#20 -Ninja_Dog-
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-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.DaGamingGod

And GS also scored GTA4 a 10 so I wouldn't be throwing that 10 around so much.

Being that GTA4 is a 9.0 at best.

It's nostalgia with these guys.

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#21 Wartzay
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MGS4 looks about the same as GRAW, with somewhat better character models for minor NPCs and a lot better models for primary characters.

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#22 -Ninja_Dog-
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.DaGamingGod

Would you be making all this fuss if it were an 8.5 and 9.0 game /

Plenty of games have scored 9.5 and 9.6 this generation. Just cuz you PS3 has way low standards and gets a game that scores .4 to .5 higher than many games on the Wii and 360 you go crazy... butr I guess I would too if all my games were AA.

Oh and get your eyes checked.

And let me guess you have 27 in HDTV right ?

Poor guy. Release the hate!!! Get it off of your chest.

Is that the new buzz word " hate"

Look I am a happy camper, just trying to open your eyes to the truth. But its your choice to see.

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#23 DaGamingGod
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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.-Ninja_Dog-

And GS also scored GTA4 a 10 so I wouldn't be throwing that 10 around so much.

Being that GTA4 is a 9.0 at best.

It's nostalgia with these guys.

Well, folks are going to take GS scores over yours. Sorry to break it to you.
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#24 DaGamingGod
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Sigh....

Look Hermits were bragging about being able to run Crysis at 30FPS which is well under the norm of the Hermits 60FPS which Hermits use to their advantage.

Essentially Hermits play at 60FPS while saying that console owners play First Person Shooters at 30FPS. But when people were playing Crysis at 30FPS then it was kind of hypocritical that Hermits were playing at 30FPS which is what they mocked.

I don't know where you are getting less then 30FPS from. Those comments only came from Hermits maxing the settings and seeing how fast the game would run.

This thread just reeks of desperation. At least be accurate.

Blackbond
I read a ton of threads and I saw a bunch of screenshots of hermits running Crysis at lower than 30fps so no, I'm not making this up. I'm sure a bunch of them will be in denial though which is only natural here @ SW.
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#25 -Ninja_Dog-
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[QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.DaGamingGod

And GS also scored GTA4 a 10 so I wouldn't be throwing that 10 around so much.

Being that GTA4 is a 9.0 at best.

It's nostalgia with these guys.

Well, folks are going to take GS scores over yours. Sorry to break it to you.

Thats obvious in our commercial ra ra world.

But don't live in a vacuum.

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You're argument is completely flawed because you obviously don't even understand basic concepts of PC hardware and software.

I would actually be extremely pissed if Crysis came out and could run absolute max settings at 60fps+ on the latest hardware. That would mean the game is not pushing limits. Hardware developement is pretty linear and it would just be stupid to limit a games settings based on what is currently out. As long as it can run at a decent resolution at a decent framerate on mid-range cards everything is perfectly normal and fine.

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#27 Tiefster
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It's part of the difference between console gaming and PC gaming. Consoles have set hardware so lets say a console game runs at a steady 30 - 35 fps well then that's fine and dandy but if certain parts of the game are dipping into the 20s or teens then the developer didn't do enough optimization.

Now with PC gaming its different. If I'm hitting 35 - 40fps with Crysis on high then other PC gamers will be impressed by my hardware and tweaks to make it run so smoothly. But uh oh my buddy down the block has a different rig than me so hes only getting 20 - 25fps with Crysis on high.

You see what I'm getting at?
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#28 -Ninja_Dog-
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In light of the new information regarding MGS4 running at less than 30fps at times, I find it pretty funny how Hermits have the nerve to smack talk console lovers. Not too long ago, almost all of the Hermits were talking about how Crysis was hitting framerates around the 20's and even sometimes dipping into the teens when being run on their gaming computers. They talked about how it wasn't a huge deal because the graphics were pretty sweet and that they hardly ever noticed. As soon as Hermits found out about GTA IV or MGS4 hitting frames under 30, they were all over Lemmings and Cows. Seems to me that they seem a bit jealous that they can't play 10/10 epic games on their rigs and need any kind of ammo to use against console lovers. Opinions?

DaGamingGod

I have to give to Konami they sure do a good job of painting on shadows and textures. Where is the bump mapping and normal mapping, jeez the PS3 must really be struggling.

It would look better ond PC and Xbox 360 with its superior memory and gpu capablities.

Maybe it will come out on PC in a few months.

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#29 Gamersince81
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Hermits doing damage control from the power force that is MGS4. I cant believe the Hermits are damage controlling from MGS4 lol. I guess that GS comment about MGS4 being the most technically graphical beast gotten their felings hurt. dont worry hermits when i get my gaming rig ill buy Crysis and give an honest opinion on the technical graphical aspects of both Crysis and MGS4!!
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#30 Blackbond
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[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Sigh....

Look Hermits were bragging about being able to run Crysis at 30FPS which is well under the norm of the Hermits 60FPS which Hermits use to their advantage.

Essentially Hermits play at 60FPS while saying that console owners play First Person Shooters at 30FPS. But when people were playing Crysis at 30FPS then it was kind of hypocritical that Hermits were playing at 30FPS which is what they mocked.

I don't know where you are getting less then 30FPS from. Those comments only came from Hermits maxing the settings and seeing how fast the game would run.

This thread just reeks of desperation. At least be accurate.

DaGamingGod

I read a ton of threads andI saw a bunch of screenshots of hermits running Crysis at lower than 30fps so no, I'm not making this up. I'm sure a bunch of them will be in denial though which is only natural here @ SW.

Seriously why do I even bother? Its right there infront of you.

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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="-Ninja_Dog-"]

[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]-Ninja_Dog-, looks much better on my HDTV and GS = 10/10. Nuff said my friend.-Ninja_Dog-

Would you be making all this fuss if it were an 8.5 and 9.0 game /

Plenty of games have scored 9.5 and 9.6 this generation. Just cuz you PS3 has way low standards and gets a game that scores .4 to .5 higher than many games on the Wii and 360 you go crazy... butr I guess I would too if all my games were AA.

Oh and get your eyes checked.

And let me guess you have 27 in HDTV right ?

Poor guy. Release the hate!!! Get it off of your chest.

Is that the new buzz word " hate"

Look I am a happy camper, just trying to open your eyes to the truth. But its your choice to see.

What? Everything you said is just an opinion.

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#32 DaGamingGod
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You're argument is completely flawed because you obviously don't even understand basic concepts of PC hardware and software.

I would actually be extremely pissed if Crysis came out and could run absolute max settings at 60fps+ on the latest hardware. That would mean the game is not pushing limits. Hardware developement is pretty linear and it would just be stupid to limit a games settings based on what is currently out. As long as it can run at a decent resolution at a decent framerate on mid-range cards everything is perfectly normal and fine.

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You're missing the point. Point is, Hermits were fine with running Crysis and getting 20+ fps but as soon as they realize that certain high profile console games aren't constantly running @ 30+ fps, they start trashing console lovers. Str8 hippocratic.
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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Sigh....

Look Hermits were bragging about being able to run Crysis at 30FPS which is well under the norm of the Hermits 60FPS which Hermits use to their advantage.

Essentially Hermits play at 60FPS while saying that console owners play First Person Shooters at 30FPS. But when people were playing Crysis at 30FPS then it was kind of hypocritical that Hermits were playing at 30FPS which is what they mocked.

I don't know where you are getting less then 30FPS from. Those comments only came from Hermits maxing the settings and seeing how fast the game would run.

This thread just reeks of desperation. At least be accurate.

Blackbond

I read a ton of threads andI saw a bunch of screenshots of hermits running Crysis at lower than 30fps so no, I'm not making this up. I'm sure a bunch of them will be in denial though which is only natural here @ SW.

Seriously why do I even bother? Its right there infront of you.

I really dont know why you bother, you obviously are just to smart for these people on SW. Lets all bow down to Black Bond and his obsession with WWE.:lol:

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#34 Saturos3091
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I think hermits just want some attention. No one on these forums consider the pc as part of systemwars except hermits.
lolkie_81


You forgot moderators and admins. Who wrote SW rules. Oh and people who like the best RTS, FPS, WRPGs, MMOs, as well as puzzle games, the most casual games, etc.
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#35 Wartzay
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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]

You're argument is completely flawed because you obviously don't even understand basic concepts of PC hardware and software.

I would actually be extremely pissed if Crysis came out and could run absolute max settings at 60fps+ on the latest hardware. That would mean the game is not pushing limits. Hardware developement is pretty linear and it would just be stupid to limit a games settings based on what is currently out. As long as it can run at a decent resolution at a decent framerate on mid-range cards everything is perfectly normal and fine.

DaGamingGod

You're missing the point. Point is, Hermits were fine with running Crysis and getting 20+ fps but as soon as they realize that certain high profile console games aren't constantly running @ 30+ fps, they start trashing console lovers. Str8 hippocratic.

Actually, its you missing the point. When crysis came out and trashed all of our PCs, you consolites laughed like he** about it and poked fun at hermits about it every chance you got. SO now we are just pointing out your hypocrisy in claiming "slower than 30fps doesn't matter, just play the game" now when your console is struggling with your Idol, MGS4.

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#36 Blackbond
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I really dont know why you bother, you obviously are just to smart for these people on SW. Lets all bow down to Black Bond and his obsession with WWE.:lol:

lolkie_81

Yeah because Kurt Angle, The MCMG, Kaz and Brian Danielson all work for WWE :lol:

Seriously actually no what you are talking about before you speak.

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#37 Saturos3091
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You're missing the point. Point is, Hermits were fine with running Crysis and getting 20+ fps but as soon as they realize that certain high profile console games aren't constantly running @ 30+ fps, they start trashing console lovers. Str8 hippocratic.DaGamingGod


Perhaps they're not fine when they know console games should be optimized better to run well on the console of the developers choice? It's not like they didn't have the options to turn Crysis' system settings down...
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#38 DaGamingGod
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[QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You're missing the point. Point is, Hermits were fine with running Crysis and getting 20+ fps but as soon as they realize that certain high profile console games aren't constantly running @ 30+ fps, they start trashing console lovers. Str8 hippocratic.Saturos3091


Perhaps they're not fine when they know console games should be optimized better to run well on the console of the developers choice? It's not like they didn't have the options to turn Crysis' system settings down...

Well of course they have the option to turn the settings down but they didn't need to because the game played fine even though it didn't run at a constant 30+ fps. That's pretty much how all console lovers feel. They really don't care as long as it looks fine and plays fine.
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#39 TheJustin
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I don't understand! If a game is fun and plays fine why does the frame rate matter?
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#40 DaGamingGod
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I don't understand! If a game is fun and plays fine why does the frame rate matter?TheJustin
Exactly my feelings.
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#41 lolkie_81
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[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

I really dont know why you bother, you obviously are just to smart for these people on SW. Lets all bow down to Black Bond and his obsession with WWE.:lol:

Blackbond

Yeah because Kurt Angle, The MCMG, Kaz and Brian Danielson all work for WWE :lol:

Seriously actually no what you are talking about before you speak.

Ok, let me go do some entertainment wrestling reasearch, and then I will get back to you............. Please, dude you have been reaching all night. I quit watching that stuff 15 years ago before I grew up...

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#42 Saturos3091
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[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="DaGamingGod"]You're missing the point. Point is, Hermits were fine with running Crysis and getting 20+ fps but as soon as they realize that certain high profile console games aren't constantly running @ 30+ fps, they start trashing console lovers. Str8 hippocratic.DaGamingGod


Perhaps they're not fine when they know console games should be optimized better to run well on the console of the developers choice? It's not like they didn't have the options to turn Crysis' system settings down...

Well of course they have the option to turn the settings down but they didn't need to because the game played fine even though it didn't run at a constant 30+ fps. That's how pretty much all console lovers feel. They really don't care as long as it looks fine and plays fine.



And every stable, real hermit understands that. Some are getting revenge for the console gamers laughing at PC gamers last year when Crysis was released, and the rest are fanboys through and through, and all consoles have those followers (I'm talking about Painballz, Spybot, etc.).
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#43 Arronaxxx
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Lol! Cows are on the rise :)

After two long years of waiting and hiding in the shadows, they have finally gotten themselves a good game, now they're swarming System Wars with pointless PC/X360 bashing. You can't play one game forever :)

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#44 Blackbond
Member since 2005 • 24516 Posts
[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

I really dont know why you bother, you obviously are just to smart for these people on SW. Lets all bow down to Black Bond and his obsession with WWE.:lol:

lolkie_81

Yeah because Kurt Angle, The MCMG, Kaz and Brian Danielson all work for WWE :lol:

Seriously actually no what you are talking about before you speak.

Ok, let me go do some entertainment wrestling reasearch, and then I will get back to you............. Please, dude you have been reaching all night. I quit watching that stuff 15 years ago before I grew up...

Yeah I'm reaching when all you do is speak false and attempt to push your opinion as fact :roll:

Maybe you should go do some research so you could actually know what you're talking about. I'm begining to ask myself have you even said one fact all night?

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#45 DaGamingGod
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Lol! Cows are on the rise :)

After two long years of waiting and hiding in the shadows, they have finally gotten themselves a good game, now they're swarming System Wars with pointless PC/X360 bashing. You can't play one game forever :)

Arronaxxx
Pretty sure Cows play more than 1 game but ok.
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#46 Riki101
Member since 2004 • 2339 Posts
its funny how consolists get angry at hermits when they brag about graphics,

but when hermits have nothing to do with a certain game, then all i hear is TEH GRAPHICS, WII SUCKS NO GRAPHIX
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#47 lolkie_81
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[QUOTE="lolkie_81"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

I really dont know why you bother, you obviously are just to smart for these people on SW. Lets all bow down to Black Bond and his obsession with WWE.:lol:

Blackbond

Yeah because Kurt Angle, The MCMG, Kaz and Brian Danielson all work for WWE :lol:

Seriously actually no what you are talking about before you speak.

Ok, let me go do some entertainment wrestling reasearch, and then I will get back to you............. Please, dude you have been reaching all night. I quit watching that stuff 15 years ago before I grew up...

Yeah I'm reaching when all you do is speak false and attempt to push your opinion as fact :roll:

Maybe you should go do some research so you could actually know what you're talking about. I'm begining to ask myself have you even said one fact all night?

Yes, you are reaching, appearently, I need a link saying mgs4 looks fantastic even tho its not true hd. Maybe you picked the wrong argument to debate? This is a stuiped one and I know Im right so your wasting your time.

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#48 Blackbond
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Yes, you are reaching, appearently, I need a link saying mgs4 looks fantastic even tho its not true hd. Maybe you picked the wrong argument to debate? This is a stuiped one and I know Im right so your wasting your time.

lolkie_81

Stupid? Lawls

Prove to me that MGS4 is a fantastic looking game even though its not true HD. Factually prove it to me without giving me your opinion. Go on ahead and try. You can't factually prove that a game is good looking because in the end its all the person who is viewing that game's opinion.

This is why you see so many graphical debates on X game looks better then Y game ect.

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Seriously Hermits are the worst fanboys.... I've said in the past that Cows are, but I've had a change of heart.... Hermits are by far the worst....

... I don't think I could ever fulfill my gaming needs just by playing PC games...... The only games on PC that I like are the odd MMO & RTS's..... of course they have plenty of FPS's too, but to be honest I'd rather play FPS's on my 360 nowadays (Duke Nukem FOrever being the exception to the rule, when it arrives I mean)... sure it's not as pretty, but I find Live to be so much more accessible, and less of a headache for online play....

.... in the past with PC shooters, while trying to play online, either I can't join a game.... because everybody has a slightly different version than you.... or different mods that won't allow you in the game... or its just really laggy...

the only problem I have with Live is a bit of lag.... and that only shows up in about 2% of my matches.