Herms,stop fooling yourself,comparing PC to consoles is pointless......

Seriously,how in the world would comparing a constantly evolving and upgradeable PC to consoles which use 4-5 year old fixed hardware even work? Of course the PC will win,that's a no brainer,considering the fact that you can spend tons of $$$ every year to upgrade it while a console is a one-time 200-300$ purchase which can't be upgraded,except when you buy a new console of course.

Discuss.

The thing is Cows think otherwise.

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Vesica_Prime

Ah pointing that out to console gamers are often a fairly good idea tho. (and who the feck spends alot of money each year on hardware? just saying).

One of the points Hermits try to get across, is that there ARE something as hardware limitations at work in all electronic hardware.

Which consolites seem to be utterly complete oblivious to (as in they think thier consoles are works by small leprechons and fairydust). It has long since become tiresome to hear some Fanboys make claims that are as educated as "the earth is flat because the church told me" (switch flat earth to # advantage, and church to said corperation in question).

I can not belive how some people still think the PS3 Cell processor is some piece of alien technoligy that fell throug ha black hole and landed at Sony. With the threads about that Processor you really should think that they truely belive it. *sigh*constant denial I guess?

And It is freakin rare to See Hermits make topics about games or hardware btw: usually they just answer them when the odd consolite comes with claims that would have made everyone laugh at the joke, except they were serious (see all the PS3 are more powerful then PC + cheaper, and the graphics king topics to get see the point).

which once again ends up showing that the smartest fanbase this Gen is the sheep, with the most critical successful system + software.

Who keeps starting such comparison threads anyway? I haven't started any as far as I know........

Aren't consolites that usually bring up the subject of X game has better graphics than crysis? So aren't the consolites that usually compare PC to consoles?

Aren't consolites that usually bring up the subject of X game has better graphics than crysis? So aren't the consolites that usually compare PC to consoles?

RaZoR500

That and the fact that they claim PC gaming is dead/dying is also quite annoying.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Revan_911

Seriously,how in the world would comparing a constantly evolving and upgradeable PC to consoles which use 4-5 year old fixed hardware even work? Of course the PC will win,that's a no brainer,considering the fact that you can spend tons of $$$ every year to upgrade it while a console is a one-time 200-300$ purchase which can't be upgraded,except when you buy a new console of course.

Discuss.

normal_gamer

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Vesica_Prime

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Revan_911

Point taken, Lemmings and Sheep you have my apology for my inaccurate statement.

The thing is Cows think otherwise.

Vesica_Prime

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Revan_911

Or maybe some of them actually did make the right choice because they prefer console gaming.

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Revan_911

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

blue_hazy_basic

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Getting tired of being blamed for what is the most part console gamers fault.

delta3074

i see more console people starting threads about PC graphics than hermits do

hermits only respond to false claims and/or troll console gamers

besides, doesn't all of this just reveal how the console model doesn't work? sure you can spend ages and tons of money trying to optimize for consoles but a cheap simple-stupid hardware upgrade wipes the need for that away

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Exactly, what goes down almost every time ... Consolite: "Game X is the best looking game out there, better than Crysis!" Hermit: "Errr no it isn't" Consolite: "Yes it is, pwned!" *posts some crappy washed out pics of Crysis beside some bullshots of the console game* Hermit: "Errr those aren't right. Look here are some real pictur....." Consolite: "LAWL, why do hermits always come into threads and post Crysis pics" Hermit: "Wait .. what??!?" *sigh*jwsoul

Argh, for the last time, PC gamers only bring up their "superior" plateforms, during "Graphics king" thread. salxis

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

[QUOTE="salxis"]Argh, for the last time, PC gamers only bring up their "superior" plateforms, during "Graphics king" thread. VanDammFan

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Nah usually the thread involves IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS on EVERY platform, they'd sure to be a few screenshots from PC games thrown around as the PC does happen to have a fair amount of impressive looking games.

I love it when Cows play the victim. More hilarious than Aku101's threads.

besides, doesn't all of this just reveal how the console model doesn't work? sure you can spend ages and tons of money trying to optimize for consoles but a cheap simple-stupid hardware upgrade wipes the need for that away

88mphSlayer

I'd say it is flawed for more reasons than just being able to upgrade to beat it.

Consoles are currently selling a enthusiast idea to a mainstream audience. Look around, mainstream gamers have been turned into graphics w****s when that should be the realm of the enthusiast. A graphics orientated mentality on a fixed hardware mass audience device, success itself in SW is being measured by who can pump the best eye candy.

That isn't healthy and the console market is reflecting that.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

The thing is console fanboys think otherwise.

Revan_911

My opinion...and thats all that matters....I have been gaming on console my whole life. I gamed on PC for about 4 years. FOR ME PC had to evolve into a gaming platform and had to be accepted as such. Something that its really not made for "TO ME"...So for me console gaming is not a matter of not being able to afford pcgaming its a matter of thats where I started and thats where im going to stay until I quit gaming.

SO no matter how many times PC gamers put console gamers down or how many times they say you can game on a tv and with a controller and no matter how many times pc gamers hype their graphics and mods and the fact they can upgrade every month...I will never....ever....EVER....feel comfortable gaming on a pc over a console.

[QUOTE="salxis"]Argh, for the last time, PC gamers only bring up their "superior" plateforms, during "Graphics king" thread. VanDammFan

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="salxis"]Argh, for the last time, PC gamers only bring up their "superior" plateforms, during "Graphics king" thread. Vesica_Prime

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Nah usually the thread involves IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS on EVERY platform, they'd sure to be a few screenshots from PC games thrown around as the PC does happen to have a fair amount of impressive looking games.

I love it when Cows play the victim. More hilarious than Aku101's threads.

To be fair, many threads clearly about consoles will have some hermit eventually come in flaunting Crysis pics or questioning why everyone is fighting over second place.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Juken7

Nah usually the thread involves IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS on EVERY platform, they'd sure to be a few screenshots from PC games thrown around as the PC does happen to have a fair amount of impressive looking games.

I love it when Cows play the victim. More hilarious than Aku101's threads.

To be fair, many threads clearly about consoles will have some hermit eventually come in flaunting Crysis pics or questioning why everyone is fighting over second place.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Nah usually the thread involves IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS on EVERY platform, they'd sure to be a few screenshots from PC games thrown around as the PC does happen to have a fair amount of impressive looking games.

I love it when Cows play the victim. More hilarious than Aku101's threads.

To be fair, many threads clearly about consoles will have some hermit eventually come in flaunting Crysis pics or questioning why everyone is fighting over second place.

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

besides, doesn't all of this just reveal how the console model doesn't work? sure you can spend ages and tons of money trying to optimize for consoles but a cheap simple-stupid hardware upgrade wipes the need for that away

AnnoyedDragon

I'd say it is flawed for more reasons than just being able to upgrade to beat it.

Consoles are currently selling a enthusiast idea to a mainstream audience. Look around, mainstream gamers have been turned into graphics w****s when that should be the realm of the enthusiast. A graphics orientated mentality on a fixed hardware mass audience device, success itself in SW is being measured by who can pump the best eye candy.

That isn't healthy and the console market is reflecting that.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Juken7

Nah usually the thread involves IMPRESSIVE GRAPHICS on EVERY platform, they'd sure to be a few screenshots from PC games thrown around as the PC does happen to have a fair amount of impressive looking games.

I love it when Cows play the victim. More hilarious than Aku101's threads.

To be fair, many threads clearly about consoles will have some hermit eventually come in flaunting Crysis pics or questioning why everyone is fighting over second place.

True, thats when they do have a legit point against hermits who post Crysis or some other game pictures.

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="delta3074"]that's not fair, you know that lemmings very rarely start threads like that and you know for a fact that sheep don't start these threads, not all consolites are cows, i am considered a lemming, i know the PC is by far the best gaming machine out there, and i aacept that the PC will always have better games and graphics, i just prefer my 360 to my gaming rig.blue_hazy_basic

Im fully aware of all them points and your just cementing what i said. I would completely argue the fact that console are a lot easier to maintain. Especially if your PC is on the Net but hey thats something else. Oh and on a side note do not talk to me like i am not aware of the PCs current library. Considering as you should know by now i own one and have a vast amount of games for it.

I even said as much in my post i was just making the point that you just made its down to preference but claiming complete ownage of console gamers is a tad rich all the time.< Not saying you do that tho.

Like i said speaking in System Wars terms i think its a widely known fact that the PC is superior but that would make thing awfully boring.

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="salxis"]Argh, for the last time, PC gamers only bring up their "superior" plateforms, during "Graphics king" thread. delta3074

YES, even when the thread has nothing to do with pc gamers.

Not the best comparrison, but I will try and get my point across....I workout 3 days a week and do cardio every other day. Thats doesnt mean I need to poke my nose in on a bodybuilding site and stick my nose in on the pros and tell them my way is better and that im natural and they are nasty looking , full of steroids and give workingout a bad name.

I say ...if the thread has something to do with all platforms..."pc and console and even handheld"...THEN sure, everyone is welcome. BUT if there is a thread that says console graphics king...or there is a poll asking which game has the best graphics and NONE of them are CRYSIS and someone comes in and says..CRYSIS...then its a problem. And this is what I see 99% of the time here in SW..Its making me really really hate coming here and trying to take part.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="jwsoul"] Man this is funny so all PS3 owners are COWs and due to a select few PS3 owners they should be discounted? Oh and who says the PC is by far the best gaming rig out there personally i think the PC is the best where else can i play the games i do? Like Stalker DOW, DOW2, etc i also prefer playing Red Alert 3 on the PC etc etc but that dose not make the PC better in anyway it just means its my preference by a LONG way as well. Consoles have console fans for a reason they are easier to access and maintain as well as exclusive games released upon them its all a preference and ones not particulary better than the other. Tho granted the sheer amount of great games released on the PC dose strictly speaking within System Wars terms make it the best platform that dosent change the fact people may prefer something else for there own reasons. jwsoul

Im fully aware of all them points and your just cementing what i said. I would completely argue the fact that console are a lot easier to maintain. Especially if your PC is on the Net but hey thats something else. Oh and on a side note do not talk to me like i am not aware of the PCs current library. Considering as you should know by now i own one and have a vast amount of games for it.

I even said as much in my post i was just making the point that you just made its down to preference but claiming complete ownage of console gamers is a tad rich all the time.< Not saying you do that tho.

Like i said speaking in System Wars terms i think its a widely known fact that the PC is superior but that would make thing awfully boring.

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

besides, doesn't all of this just reveal how the console model doesn't work? sure you can spend ages and tons of money trying to optimize for consoles but a cheap simple-stupid hardware upgrade wipes the need for that away

AnnoyedDragon

I'd say it is flawed for more reasons than just being able to upgrade to beat it.

Consoles are currently selling a enthusiast idea to a mainstream audience. Look around, mainstream gamers have been turned into graphics w****s when that should be the realm of the enthusiast. A graphics orientated mentality on a fixed hardware mass audience device, success itself in SW is being measured by who can pump the best eye candy.

That isn't healthy and the console market is reflecting that.

@Blue Haze

Yeah you have a point....

to be fair tho we shouldnt let these people make so many boring graphic comparing threads we and others should get off our butts and start posting some other more intelligent discussions on System Wars. The problem for me and hence the low post count is when i have an idea for a thread im usually stood outside or at the pub thinking of 10 things at once.

Hmm

i agree with this, this generation has been like no other, it's too much about the graphics, you can't say a game is good on here, even if it has stellar gameplay, because someone will come along and say 'bu-bu-x game is better co it has better graphics", and if you say you prefer gameplay over graphics they just accuse you of being in denial, half the people on these boards would be well miserable playing games on a Speccy 48k, it's sad to see gaming come to this, it's more about graphics and realism these days, instead of goo old fashioned FUNdelta3074

I think it's more troubling than sad.

Development costs are ramping up because of these expectations. That is driving developers to make one size fits all, proved formula, low risk games that pump most of its budget into the eye candy that attracts attention.

Despite what people may think about PC gaming it isn't all about pushing the latest technology, the most popular games on PC are not high tech. High tech games come along when a developer thinks they are in a good position to make them; and that the investment is worth while. Crytek made Crysis because they wanted to, they could have made a mix of medium/high the max settings and it would have still looked good and played the same. But they did make it a tech pushing game, they did it because they wanted to.

Making that decision, that risk assessment, a demanded expectation of most games is damaging to the industry.

How so is it reflecting that? Demons Souls is a unique game, Valkyria Chronicals again the same. I wouldnt call Disgea 3 a master piece in graphics? Or how about Super Mario Galaxy or Naruto Broken Bonds, Halo 3 etc your putting everyone in the same boat when its far from the truth. When you refer to System Wars you have a point tho thats very true for here. Tho i think people argue graphics on here just for something to argue about. I dont think for the majority of SW posters its that important and if it was so important for the gaming public as a whole then the Wii would be dead last not the PS3. jwsoul

The evidence of the impact of such high expenses are reflected in current gen line-ups.

Cross platform development now makes up the bulk of games being sold, developers broadening their audience to accomodate development costs. Exclusive 3rd party games now make up a signficant minority, the majority of exclusive games are 1st and 2nd party titles.

It is all a response to costs, costs created as a result of technical expectations.

@Blue Haze

Yeah you have a point....

to be fair tho we shouldnt let these people make so many boring graphic comparing threads we and others should get off our butts and start posting some other more intelligent discussions on System Wars. The problem for me and hence the low post count is when i have an idea for a thread im usually stood outside or at the pub thinking of 10 things at once.

Hmm

jwsoul

Seriously,how in the world would comparing a constantly evolving and upgradeable PC to consoles which use 4-5 year old fixed hardware even work? Of course the PC will win,that's a no brainer,considering the fact that you can spend tons of $$$ every year to upgrade it while a console is a one-time 200-300$ purchase which can't be upgraded,except when you buy a new console of course.

Discuss.

normal_gamer

pc is cheaper than console gaming

http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/eMachines/E-Series/eMachines-ET1161-07-Athlon-p8429759.html

emachines pc athlon x2 247$

I bought my PC a year before my PS3 and I can run Crysis on high at 30FPS. The whole upgrading once a year propaganda is bogus.PS2_ROCKS

Yep, im maxing out crysis on my single core 2.0 ghz athlon 64 from 2004 2gb ram and a 8800 gt.

I bought my PC a year before my PS3 and I can run Crysis on high at 30FPS. The whole upgrading once a year propaganda is bogus.PS2_ROCKS

i like how console gamers act like you gotta run games on max settings, to play the a game on pc.

It's obvious the PC hardware is better but that doesn't make it better. I like the 360 way more because of Halo 3 and Gears of War 2. I can't play either of those on a PC so for me 360 is better.Ugalde-

pc has better shooters and i own xbox360 lol.